Stevie, a laughing stock? [Archive]

dontlookdown

08-23-2003, 02:31 PM

after the white album, rumours, and especially Tusk - Stevie had earned herself quite a reputation as a serious singer and songwriter. When Bella Donna was released, suddenly any existing skeptics were converted. Stevie had surrounded herself with a large circle of musicians and producers who at the time, were considered to be the best in the business: Jimmy Iovine (who Stevie sought out because she loved the sound of Patti Smith's Easter record, Tom Petty (who came by way of Jimmy), Roy Bittan, other members of the E Street Band and the Heartbreakers - and the Eagles, etc.

Before she even knew it, Stevie was sort of rock and roll royalty. A lot of people were sure that she would just break from FM for good and enjoy her new friends who often rocked much harder.

When Stand Back was released, a lot of this respect went down the toilet.
Sure it was fun and Prince was all the rage but it wasn't rock and roll- at least not the kind you can find on a Tom Petty record.

I think that sort of started the downfall in terms of respect. It was also when a lot of the drunkeness and drugs started to get a lot of publicity.
Anyway - not sure if I would say she was a laughing stock - but a lot of the respect she got from being with Fleetwood Mac and being associated with Tom Petty went away. Rock A Little and The Other Side of The Mirror didn't help the situation. Either did her tracks on Tango In The Night. The Clinton "performance" of Don't Stop was so embarrasing and even I was shocked when I saw Stevie.

I think The Dance album and tour - and especially the PBS broadcast of the show saved Stevie's career. Her new found vocal training and the obvious hard work she put into rehearsing for those shows made everyone stand up and take notice. Silver Springs was sort of a celebration - at least for me - because it was sort of like getting our old Stevie back. That live version is about as close to perfection as Fleetwood Mac has ever gotten.

So - laughing stock or not - the point is she saved herself and thank god we have Say You Will. I still think they have one great album to record. I just hope Lindsey and Stevie can write together so it's more of a cohesive project.

I think I'll go listen to Stop Dragging My Heart Around or Hard Promises...

jwd

08-23-2003, 02:44 PM

When Stand Back was released, a lot of this respect went down the toilet

Actually wasn't this the first piece of music that was nominated for a grammy? Hardly shows a lack of repect. "Stand Back" and a lot of songs on The Wild Heart rocked harder than anything she'd released before. I'd also venture to say that quite a few fans on this board would pick that lp as their favorite. Apparently this was the most fun Stevie ever had on the road too, at least solo speaking, as she admitted this herself.

I tend to think she bacame more of a laughingstock when the drugs and alcohol took a grim control of her around the mid 80s or RAL. Recall Letterman and his making fun of the "I Can't Wait" video. Her looks changed then too. She looked older and was picking up weight. Falling off of stages isn't pretty either. So I think this part of her career was the beginning of her downward spiral that continued into the 90s. Her songs became less effective and her albums sold even less.

Joe

Tango

08-23-2003, 02:56 PM

and welcome to The Ledge. You've got a sort of Q&A going on right here. What you might want to do, rather than listing all your questions out in headline form is check out The Penguin a bit.

Go to http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin
the main page and check out a few things:
1-The Q&As
2-The Blue Letter Archives
3-the biographies

There's a whole lot of stuff that might help get you acquainted with your new favorite band from The Dance.

For Stuff Specific about Stevie, you'll probably also enjoy The Nicks Fix,
http://www.nicksfix.com

Some GREAT pics of Stevie in various colours, ages and sizes are to be found on Nicks Fix:

http://www.nicksfix.com/hiresphotos.htm

There's also a lot of fans that will answer you here. Enjoy yourself and the tour.

diamondsnake

08-23-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Tango
and welcome to The Ledge. You've got a sort of Q&A going on right here. What you might want to do, rather than listing all your questions out in headline form is check out The Penguin a bit.

Go to http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin
the main page and check out a few things:
1-The Q&As
2-The Blue Letter Archives
3-the biographies

There's a whole lot of stuff that might help get you acquainted with your new favorite band from The Dance.

For Stuff Specific about Stevie, you'll probably also enjoy The Nicks Fix,
http://www.nicksfix.com

Some GREAT pics of Stevie in various colours, ages and sizes are to be found on Nicks Fix:

http://www.nicksfix.com/hiresphotos.htm

There's also a lot of fans that will answer you here. Enjoy yourself and the tour.

Thanks so much! I just have a lot of questions about the band, especially since I am pretty new to their music and don't know a lot about the actual history of the band, other then what I have seen on like the making of Rumors DVD. Thanks again!

diamondsnake

08-23-2003, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by dontlookdown
after the white album, rumours, and especially Tusk - Stevie had earned herself quite a reputation as a serious singer and songwriter. When Bella Donna was released, suddenly any existing skeptics were converted. Stevie had surrounded herself with a large circle of musicians and producers who at the time, were considered to be the best in the business: Jimmy Iovine (who Stevie sought out because she loved the sound of Patti Smith's Easter record, Tom Petty (who came by way of Jimmy), Roy Bittan, other members of the E Street Band and the Heartbreakers - and the Eagles, etc.

Before she even knew it, Stevie was sort of rock and roll royalty. A lot of people were sure that she would just break from FM for good and enjoy her new friends who often rocked much harder.

When Stand Back was released, a lot of this respect went down the toilet.
Sure it was fun and Prince was all the rage but it wasn't rock and roll- at least not the kind you can find on a Tom Petty record.

I think that sort of started the downfall in terms of respect. It was also when a lot of the drunkeness and drugs started to get a lot of publicity.
Anyway - not sure if I would say she was a laughing stock - but a lot of the respect she got from being with Fleetwood Mac and being associated with Tom Petty went away. Rock A Little and The Other Side of The Mirror didn't help the situation. Either did her tracks on Tango In The Night. The Clinton "performance" of Don't Stop was so embarrasing and even I was shocked when I saw Stevie.

I think The Dance album and tour - and especially the PBS broadcast of the show saved Stevie's career. Her new found vocal training and the obvious hard work she put into rehearsing for those shows made everyone stand up and take notice. Silver Springs was sort of a celebration - at least for me - because it was sort of like getting our old Stevie back. That live version is about as close to perfection as Fleetwood Mac has ever gotten.

So - laughing stock or not - the point is she saved herself and thank god we have Say You Will. I still think they have one great album to record. I just hope Lindsey and Stevie can write together so it's more of a cohesive project.

I think I'll go listen to Stop Dragging My Heart Around or Hard Promises...

What happened during the Clinton performance? Did she just look bad or something? Also, do you think that she has gained pretty much all her respect back after the Dance? Obviously she was in top form and looked great (and still does). I think with The Dance, the Practical Magic disc, Trouble in Shangrila, and the new cd she has pretty much gained a lot of respect. Not to mention the dixie chicks using her song and getting a lot of credit for that.

I guess what I really want to know is, if you bring up her name in a conversation today, would anyone make a nasty comment or something?

dissention

08-23-2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
What happened during the Clinton performance? Did she just look bad or something? Also, do you think that she has gained pretty much all her respect back after the Dance? Obviously she was in top form and looked great (and still does). I think with The Dance, the Practical Magic disc, Trouble in Shangrila, and the new cd she has pretty much gained a lot of respect. Not to mention the dixie chicks using her song and getting a lot of credit for that.

I guess what I really want to know is, if you bring up her name in a conversation today, would anyone make a nasty comment or something?

The Clinton performance was embarassing. She was bloated beyond belief and was wearing this...tarp. She looked like she was sick, her voice sucked, and she looked like she was about to burst out in tears at any moment. I too was shocked.

I think that when RAL was released, she really became a laughing stock. Compare her previous albums, quality-wise, and then look at her mid to late eighties albums. BAD comparison. She wore these costumes that made her look like she was going trick-or-treating, falling off stages, forgetting lyrics, screaming and shouting the songs, the songwriting was going very downhill, and heavily using drugs. People looked at her as if she was a cartoon. The newspapers would say that she bordered on "self-parody."

I think that she got back all respect when The Dance came along. She was healthy, happy, and smiling. Her voice was amazing and she was into what she was doing for the first time in a long time. TISL was released to GLOWING reviews and she has been acknowledged as the foremost inspiration for most female musicinas in the industry today. When people in the media speak about her, they refer to her as a "living legend." That she is! :nod:

Jason T.

08-24-2003, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by dissention
The Clinton performance was embarassing. She was bloated beyond belief and was wearing this...tarp. She looked like she was sick, her voice sucked, and she looked like she was about to burst out in tears at any moment. I too was shocked.

I think that when RAL was released, she really became a laughing stock. Compare her previous albums, quality-wise, and then look at her mid to late eighties albums. BAD comparison. She wore these costumes that made her look like she was going trick-or-treating, falling off stages, forgetting lyrics, screaming and shouting the songs, the songwriting was going very downhill, and heavily using drugs. People looked at her as if she was a cartoon. The newspapers would say that she bordered on "self-parody."

I think that she got back all respect when The Dance came along. She was healthy, happy, and smiling. Her voice was amazing and she was into what she was doing for the first time in a long time. TISL was released to GLOWING reviews and she has been acknowledged as the foremost inspiration for most female musicinas in the industry today. When people in the media speak about her, they refer to her as a "living legend." That she is! :nod:

I wonder why she was like that during the Clinton event??? I know, at least I hope, she's not anti-democratic... cause she looked so sad. Anyway, I know that Stevie's RAL era sucked performance wise, but I think the album Rock A Little is awesome, the only reason I don't own it is because I cannot find it in any of the stores (which should tell me something) but I think it is one of her best solo-wise. "The Nightmare" is one of my all-time favorite songs. Anyway, all I wanted to say is that I'm glad I wasn't a fan back then (mid eighties) mainly cause I wasn't born yet...I think seeing Stevie in that condition would through me into a severe depression. :(

diamondsnake

08-24-2003, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Jason T.
I wonder why she was like that during the Clinton event??? I know, at least I hope, she's not anti-democratic... cause she looked so sad. Anyway, I know that Stevie's RAL era sucked performance wise, but I think the album Rock A Little is awesome, the only reason I don't own it is because I cannot find it in any of the stores (which should tell me something) but I think it is one of her best solo-wise. "The Nightmare" is one of my all-time favorite songs. Anyway, all I wanted to say is that I'm glad I wasn't a fan back then (mid eighties) mainly cause I wasn't born yet...I think seeing Stevie in that condition would through me into a severe depression. :(

I agree... I wasn't born until the late 80's which is good because I don't know if I could really remain a fan if she was constantly falling off stages! She is great now, and that is all that matters to me...

Johnny Stew

08-24-2003, 01:51 AM

I didn't think Stevie looked that bad during the Clinton Innaugural performance... though her face was fuller, and she was rather pale.

USA Today reported a few days before that performance, that Stevie had very recently undergone surgery to correct a "sinus problem" (perhaps the hole in her sinuses, that she's often mentioned in the years since), so that probably added to her washed-out look.

Johnny Stew

08-24-2003, 01:54 AM

Another full body shot....

Johnny Stew

08-24-2003, 01:57 AM

A third full-body shot....

Johnny Stew

08-24-2003, 02:02 AM

Those first pics were mislabeled... my apologies. The actual date of the performance, was January 19th, 1993.

Here's a close-up of Stevie, alongside Bill and Wacko Jacko....

strandinthewind

08-24-2003, 02:05 AM

I know! Her waist is quite small in these pics. Her face, however, looks fuller as if she is on steroid therapy. As for her voice, she sounded great IMO. LB on the other hand did not. I love when SN looks over at him seemingly with daggers as if to say "SING ON KEY DAMNIT!!!" :laugh: And - where the hell was his tie :laugh:

Johnny Stew

08-24-2003, 02:06 AM

By the way, Christopher... in the future, you should direct all questions solely regarding Stevie, to the Stevie Forum.

That's what we're there for! :)

MacMan

08-24-2003, 02:21 AM

I agree, I didn't think she looked to bad either. Like Johnny said, she looked a little fuller, but nothing shocking or embarrasing. I think the really blonde hair and the pale skin may have made her seem washed out.

As for bursting into tears.... I'm sure it is pretty emotional. Can you imagine the numbers of people watching and the status they achieved from Bill. She has said that it was so heavy being there and that she was so proud that for that time, they were "The First Band of the United States".

David R

08-24-2003, 05:07 AM

Stevie looked good at the performance, I actually remember that performance even though I didn't know who Fleetwood Mac were back then... heh...

Merf

08-24-2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by MacMan

As for bursting into tears.... I'm sure it is pretty emotional. Can you imagine the numbers of people watching and the status they achieved from Bill. She has said that it was so heavy being there and that she was so proud that for that time, they were "The First Band of the United States".

*nod* it is quite plain that Stevie was the most emotional about this performance and it meant the most to her. She's always been very patriotic and as she was one of the only 2 Americans in the band (Lindsey has said that he only did the performance because of how much he knew it meant to her). I'm sure they all felt honored in some way, but no one more than Stevie. She also said that that performance was really the end of FM for her because she didn't want to be in an FM that didn't include Lindsey. So I think, combined with her medical problems, it was emotional for her on many levels.

I didn't think she looked that bad either! She sounded really good from what I remember~ I was 11 when Clinton was sworn into office. :)

dissention

08-24-2003, 11:33 AM

I just listened to the performance again, I think she sounded awful, like she wasn't into it. From watching the performance, it just doesn't look like she was happy, very sad. Maybe it had to do with the "reunion," maybe not, but she looked so withdrawn. She wasn't pale, she was incredibly pale. I think her costume made her look cartoonish.

And I wanna know who touched up thos photos!!! :laugh: She looks awesome in those photos, but she didn't on TV!!!

MacMan

08-24-2003, 11:47 AM

The peformance wasn't set up like a Rock concert with a ton of speakers etc. there were very few speakers on stage, unless there were speakers hanging down which we couldn't see. It was also a live performance so there was no time to perfect the mix. And Grandmas and Grandpas were watching so I'm sure it was tamed down so not to offend their ears with a huge rock spectical

I haven't seen it in awhile, but Lindsey's guitar didn't really sound like it was even plugged in.

But, by the look of the people in the audience, it must have sounded pretty good, everyone was dancing.

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 11:52 AM

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Jason T.
I wonder why she was like that during the Clinton event??? :(

I believe this was the first time she had been on stage with Lindsey in quite a while. Stevie is very sentimental and I'm sure that was playing on her while she was up there along with "the drama of the moment."

dissention

08-24-2003, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Don't forget the bizarre tambourine hand off. Right after that, Michael Jackson jumped on the stage and she shot him the dirtiest look I've ever seen.

:laugh: I know! What was with that tambo?!

You'd have a dirty look on your face if you had to share a stage with Wacko Jacko. I remember when they were all lines up across the stage, Stevie was on one side of Clinton, Jacko on the other, and she had this look of disgust when she peered over and saw him with the mic. Ugh. She looked like she was about to bust out a can of whoopass on Jacko. :laugh:

darklinensuit

08-24-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I'm sure that was playing on her while she was up there along with "the drama of the moment."

"There is no easy way...":nod:

- Jake

darklinensuit

08-24-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Don't forget the bizarre tambourine hand off. Right after that, Michael Jackson jumped on the stage and she shot him the dirtiest look I've ever seen.

She had finally persuaded Mick & Lindsey to wear less eye makeup, and up comes Jacko in more makeup than she wore on the Rock a Little sleeve.
Besides, if you were feeling self-conscious about your weight, would you want to stand next to his scrawny ass during YOUR song?:distress:

- Jake

dissention

08-24-2003, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Besides, if you were feeling self-conscious about your weight, would you want to stand next to his scrawny ass during YOUR song?:distress:

Of course! Anyone who stand next to Whacko Jacko is guaranteed to look like a million bucks. Jacko has been pulled so tight that every time he crosses his legs, his mouth opens. He looks like he got his face stuck in a pool drain.

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Of course! Anyone who stand next to Whacko Jacko is guaranteed to look like a million bucks. Jacko has been pulled so tight that every time he crosses his legs, his mouth opens. He looks like he got his face stuck in a pool drain.

The older he gets the more he looks like Diana Ross and the older she gets the more she looks like he used to. "Ain't no mountian high enough..."

dissention

08-24-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
"Ain't no mountian high enough..."

"...Ain't no scalpel big enough..."

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 12:41 PM

"Ain't no surgeon broke enough, to keep working on you-ooh..."

MacMan

08-24-2003, 12:49 PM

I believe this was the first time she had been on stage with Lindsey in quite a while.

It hadn't been too long. Only two years. They were on stage for the last two shows for the Behind The Mask Tour in LA.

dissention

08-24-2003, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
"Ain't no surgeon broke enough, to keep working on you-ooh..."

"Ain't no nose bridge big enough to need all those repairs...oohooh..."

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by MacMan
It hadn't been too long. Only two years. They were on stage for the last two shows for the Behind The Mask Tour in LA.

I meant just "The Five.":)

Johnny Stew

08-24-2003, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by dissention
And I wanna know who touched up thos photos!!! :laugh: She looks awesome in those photos, but she didn't on TV!!! Well, they always say that television cameras add ten pounds... so maybe that's the difference. :)

And, again, I didn't think she looked bad during that performance... just not the best we've seen her.

I'm also glad Lindsey gained a few pounds since then... he looked positively emaciated!

wondergirl9847

08-24-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I'm also glad Lindsey gained a few pounds since then... he looked positively emaciated!

No joke...I opened that first pic and went :eek: !! He looks like a stick figure!! He looks DARN fine today, I must say. ;)

Johnny Stew

08-24-2003, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Don't forget the bizarre tambourine hand off. Right after that, Michael Jackson jumped on the stage and she shot him the dirtiest look I've ever seen. I need to pull my tape out again, as I seem to remember it a little differently than everyone else. I recall Stevie smiling at Wacko Jacko when she noticed him joining them on stage. I didn't see any "daggers" at all.

Though I always marvelled at how enormous his ego must've been, to walk up on stage and purposely stand in-between Stevie & Clinton... knowing full well that he would be in every photo taken, and would be featured prominently on the TV broadcast.

dissention

08-24-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I need to pull my tape out again, as I seem to remember it a little differently than everyone else. I recall Stevie smiling at Wacko Jacko when she noticed him joining them on stage. I didn't see any "daggers" at all.

Though I always marvelled at how enormous his ego must've been, to walk up on stage and purposely stand in-between Stevie & Clinton... knowing full well that he would be in every photo taken, and would be featured prominently on the TV broadcast.

He's a camera whore. He craves publicity and attention like we normal folks crave Chinese food. :laugh: I watched my tape earlier and she had this gawd-awful look on her face when Jacko came up. Can't say I blame her, it was her gig, not his. Can you imagine him singing Don't Stop?! I cry just thinking of it. :laugh: :nod:

diamondsnake

08-24-2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Those first pics were mislabeled... my apologies. The actual date of the performance, was January 19th, 1993.

Here's a close-up of Stevie, alongside Bill and Wacko Jacko....

Don't burn me at the stake but in those pictures she does look pretty awful. And I am a huge Stevie fan! I'm just glad that she is healthy and happy about her self now. It was really just her face that looks huge. It is very full. Maybe it is just a bad shot...

xdreamsunwindx

08-24-2003, 03:52 PM

GAH! PLEASE DON'T SHOW ME THOSE PICS OF JACKO! Good Gawd... I have a fear of him and that kid from The Excorsist. Gah... As for Stevie, I don't think that's the most flattering pic of her, but she doesn't look awful. Glawbnarggghffff... ::recovering from M.J::

Anywho, where's Chris in those pics? Or am I just uber confuzzled?

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 06:36 PM

sulamith

08-24-2003, 08:07 PM

Well too, Stevie wrote "Blue Demin" right after this night, so that pretty much gives insight as to why she might have been feeling sort of sad. Lindsey walked in, barely spoke to her and left without saying goodbye. She was no longer in control, and she felt very bad about herself. At the time, to think their relationship was going to end like that must have been awful.

I turned away so he couldn't see
I turned away it could never be
Not you, not me

Oh, that song just kills me......
Nobody likes to see an old flame when they are feeling icky.
Poor Stevie. God, I love her.

-Sharon

diamondsnake

08-24-2003, 09:27 PM

So was this before Street Angel? Or was the Clinton thing after Street Angel?

Also, about Blue Denim, that is so sad. I wonder what Lindsey was thinking when he saw Stevie that bloated.

The Catdancer

08-24-2003, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Don't burn me at the stake but in those pictures she does look pretty awful. And I am a huge Stevie fan! I'm just glad that she is healthy and happy about her self now. It was really just her face that looks huge. It is very full. Maybe it is just a bad shot...

I think her face was so puffed because of the medication. I read in an interview she said:"The drugs psychiatrists prescribe make you fat and miserable". And she's right, I've been on meds for a while now and I'm getting heavier by the minute.
Debbie

The Catdancer

08-24-2003, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
So was this before Street Angel? Or was the Clinton thing after Street Angel?

Also, about Blue Denim, that is so sad. I wonder what Lindsey was thinking when he saw Stevie that bloated.

I talked to Lindsey in 1990. Of course this was way before the Clinton performance but back than he was very worried about her. He had performed with Fleetwood Mac in San Francisco and his whole family was there. They were really looking forward to seeing Stevie again, especially his sister in law Eileen because she and Stevie used to be close friends. But when she came in she didn't say a word to any of them. She did ask:"What the f*ck am I doing here? Where the hell are we?". Lindsey said to me:"We all have our moments but Stevie......". He just shook his head, sighed deeply and stared at her picture on the Rumours album (my friend had brought it for him to sign it).
Like most of you I've been a fan since Rhiannon so I lived through all the bad moments but I never left her side and never will.
Debbie

dissention

08-24-2003, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by The Catdancer
I talked to Lindsey in 1990. Of course this was way before the Clinton performance but back than he was very worried about her. He had performed with Fleetwood Mac in San Francisco and his whole family was there. They were really looking forward to seeing Stevie again, especially his sister in law Eileen because she and Stevie used to be close friends. But when she came in she didn't say a word to any of them. She did ask:"What the f*ck am I doing here? Where the hell are we?". Lindsey said to me:"We all have our moments but Stevie......". He just shook his head, sighed deeply and stared at her picture on the Rumours album (my friend had brought it for him to sign it).
Like most of you I've been a fan since Rhiannon so I lived through all the bad moments but I never left her side and never will.
Debbie

That story is very telling, Debbie.

I think that around the time of RAL, Stevie's emotional state started to go downhill. She got incredibly depressed and unhappy to the point where she didn't even seem to enjoy the one thing she lived for: being with the fans and bring them joy onstage. Then after detox, she had to go into the making of TITN where I'm sure almost everyone resented her and then she got into an awful tiff with Lindsey. All the while, she was getting addicted to another drug, realizing that she would never marry, never have children, and all of the mistakes in her past were probably weighing heavily on her mind. Then she started to gain weight and saw her career take a dive. I think that from '90 to '94 were her periods of reflection and the things she reflected on were very tragic things and traumatic mistakes. She was so unhappy to the point where she didn't enjoy writing or feel capable of doing so. Then she slowly climbed back up and was higher than ever before, IMO. God bless her, she deserves all the happiness in the world.

I've stuck by her when I felt the music was sub-par, when other criticized her, and when she felt like she couldn't take it anymore. Why? Because of the joy she has brought to my life and the ways she has touched my soul like no one else. She is a remarkable woman, an icon, a legend, and the definition of strong. No one else compares, no one ever will. I'm a fan for life and that will never change. :)

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by The Catdancer
I think her face was so puffed because of the medication. I read in an interview she said:"The drugs psychiatrists prescribe make you fat and miserable". And she's right, I've been on meds for a while now and I'm getting heavier by the minute.
Debbie

A year and a half ago I was a size four. I was taking antidepressants for a while in increasing doages to deal with the death of my brother from colon cancer. I'm now a size ten. I continued to work out almost every day during this whole time but still gained weight. I've been off of them since the begining of February. It's unbelievable what they can do to you.

dissention

08-24-2003, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
A year and a half ago I was a size four. I was taking antidepressants for a while in increasing doages to deal with the death of my brother from colon cancer. I'm now a size ten. I continued to work out almost every day during this whole time but still gained weight. I've been off of them since the begining of February. It's unbelievable what they can do to you.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother, sweetie. Hopefully they'll find a cure for cancer soon. :(

Antidepressants are awful; they make you feel worse. I went on antidepressants and they had the opposite effect; I ended up losing LOTS of weight. They suppressed my appetite to the point where I would never be hungry. After I lost all this weight, my doctor decided to mess with my doses and I gained back all the weight and even more within a month. I was fat and depressed. Whoever says that these drugs work is smoking crack. They mess with your body, make you overweight, and when you see yourself becoming this other person, you get even more depressed. The solution? More drugs. What does it equal? More weight and unhappiness. :distress:

The Catdancer

08-24-2003, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by dissention

I've stuck by her when I felt the music was sub-par, when other criticized her, and when she felt like she couldn't take it anymore. Why? Because of the joy she has brought to my life and the ways she has touched my soul like no one else. She is a remarkable woman, an icon, a legend, and the definition of strong. No one else compares, no one ever will. I'm a fan for life and that will never change. :)

I totally agree with you. She's not perfect but she's perfect for me. STEVIE RULES...... JUST 'CAUSE!!!!!!!!!
Debbie

dissention

08-24-2003, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by The Catdancer
I totally agree with you. She's not perfect but she's perfect for me. STEVIE RULES...... JUST 'CAUSE!!!!!!!!!
Debbie

Damn skippy!

It's the imperfections and acknowledgment of the imperfections that make her even more beautiful. :)

diamondsnake

08-24-2003, 11:23 PM

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by dissention
I'm sorry to hear about your brother, sweetie. Hopefully they'll find a cure for cancer soon. :(

Antidepressants are awful; they make you feel worse. I went on antidepressants and they had the opposite effect; I ended up losing LOTS of weight. They suppressed my appetite to the point where I would never be hungry. After I lost all this weight, my doctor decided to mess with my doses and I gained back all the weight and even more within a month. I was fat and depressed. Whoever says that these drugs work is smoking crack. They mess with your body, make you overweight, and when you see yourself becoming this other person, you get even more depressed. The solution? More drugs. What does it equal? More weight and unhappiness. :distress:

They advertise them on television. It's sick. And yes, hopefully they will find a cure someday soon.

gldstwmn

08-24-2003, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by The Catdancer
I totally agree with you. She's not perfect but she's perfect for me. STEVIE RULES...... JUST 'CAUSE!!!!!!!!!
Debbie

Well said.:) :nod:

The Catdancer

08-24-2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
So are you saying that Stevie was so confused and drugged out she didn't even know where she was?

That's the impression I got from Lindsey. A year before that, 1989, she did a show here in The Netherlands/Europe and although she knew exactly where she was when she was on stage, a friend of mine who had a backstage pass told me she didn't know where she was after the show. She said:"It's very nice to be here in Scandanavia. Oh no, we're in Germany. No that's it either". Than someone had to tell her where she was. My friend Tom thought it was a horrible experience, she was totally confused. But I think we should drop this subject. It's over and done with and I for one thank God that she came out of it alive and well. I haven't seen her & The Mac in concert yet but I know I'm in for one hell of a night. FLEETWOOD MAC OVER EUROPE..... AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Debbie

Merf

08-25-2003, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
They advertise them on television. It's sick.

Can I jump on the 'antidepressants are terrible and should be banned' bandwagon? cause yeah, they suck. they suck ass.

Debbie, your conversation with Lindsey is breaking my heart. I echo your sentiments in thanking God that she came out on the other side alive and well and I hope you enjoy your FM concert~ you're in for an incredible night ;)

The Catdancer

08-25-2003, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Merf
Can I jump on the 'antidepressants are terrible and should be banned' bandwagon? cause yeah, they suck. they suck ass.

Debbie, your conversation with Lindsey is breaking my heart. I echo your sentiments in thanking God that she came out on the other side alive and well and I hope you enjoy your FM concert~ you're in for an incredible night ;)

First, the antidepressants do suck, they made me so fat. I used to weigh about 125, 130 pounds.... now I'm 230 at least. But.... if I don't take them, I feel so bad I'm willing to jump off a building. I don't think that's the purpose of life.

Second, yes, I do thank God that she came out alive and well and stronger than ever. She is one hell of a woman. She went through the Exodus program and I know people who've been through that and that program is one of the hardest programs I've heard of. But she did it, she made it. She already had my utmost respect, even when she was doing drugs and drinking a whole lot, but now I respect her even more (if that's possible). She's a role modell for everyone who has an addiction and wants to get out of it, a true inspiration.
Debbie

gypsysara

08-25-2003, 12:52 PM

I feel the Dance, specifically "Silver Springs" was a catalyst to Stevie re-gaining a lot of mainstream respect. TISL was a follow up to a new fresh and enchanting gypsy we all became re-infatuated with during the Dance. Im grateful she was able to rise above it all, like Don H. said at Stormy Weather last year "she's come through a lot of fires".

Dont forget she had to beg Lindsey to do the inaguration... so I agree, she was likely emotional and getting herself together, figuring things out for herself.

I read a report last week if you take fish oil supplements it helps with depression without the "non emotional" side effects some medicines can bring.

flyfirefly

08-26-2003, 10:55 PM

"She was never as successful without the band however, and within ten years had become a parody of her former self, the archetypal blonde-locked spacey Rock Chick in flowing dresses. New York gay club Jackie 60--a regular hangout for drag queens in the early '90s used to have Stevie Nicks theme nights, a testament to how camp her image had become"

"She Bop: The Definitive History of Women in Rock, Pop, and Soul" - Lucy O'brien

diamondsnake

08-26-2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by flyfirefly
"She was never as successful without the band however, and within ten years had become a parody of her former self, the archetypal blonde-locked spacey Rock Chick in flowing dresses. New York gay club Jackie 60--a regular hangout for drag queens in the early '90s used to have Stevie Nicks theme nights, a testament to how camp her image had become"

"She Bop: The Definitive History of Women in Rock, Pop, and Soul" - Lucy O'brien

But do you think by now her image is respectable and not so campy? I think it is really disrespectful how these people at the shows dress up as Stevie. I think it is her style and like you said, if people are dressing up for something like it's Halloween it is turning her image into a parody. :(

sparky

08-27-2003, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
But do you think by now her image is respectable and not so campy? I think it is really disrespectful how these people at the shows dress up as Stevie. I think it is her style and like you said, if people are dressing up for something like it's Halloween it is turning her image into a parody. :(

If this is Night of A Thousand Stevies being referred to, I must offer a different perspective. I can only speak for the Los Angeles event a few years ago, but it was hardly about parody. Never in one evening have I ever met as many Stevie fans. Drag queens, straight guys, casual fans, hardcore fanatics - all were there and all celebrated. This marked the first time in my life being on a crowded dance floor with tons of people - dancing to nothing but Stevie. And everyone singing along. All night ! The performances, while some were a little goofy, were for the most part heartfelt and absolute homage. Everyone dressed like her loved her. It was a phenomenal and memorable evening. If my schedule allowed, I would fly my butt to NYC every year for it. No matter the cost. It's that much fun.

whitesoxx

08-27-2003, 05:55 AM

I completely agree with you, Sparky! I flew to the US last year just so I could be at the Night Of 1,000 Stevies in New York, because my dear New York friends had told me so much about it. And believe me, that event is all about paying hommage to a great entertainer and not at all like some kind of Halloween party. Although you can argue the fact that some performers look better in Stevie clothing than others, most performances are indeed heartfelt. OK, maybe some were (unintentionally) camp or goofy, but some of Stevie's performances are too, so where's the problem? :laugh:

It just felt so good being at an event where almost everybody in the room loves Stevie as much as I do, where I could wave a ribboned tambourine and dance to songs like Blue Lamp and sing along wildly without having to worry about others. I've been to a number of Stevie and FM shows in the US where people get irritated when you stand up and dance during the show. Hello? ?!It's a rock concert, not an opera at the Met!

Oh and Stevie herself has said on several occasions that she thinks the "Night..." is a cool idea!

Rick

blinker12

08-27-2003, 11:09 AM

I've been to Night of 1,000 Stevies too. I don't think it's mean-spirited at all, but there's definitely some good-natured poking fun at Stevie going on. The twirling, the mane of blond hair, the lacy black dresses...
Like other older female divas (Cher springs to mind), Stevie seems to be viewed with equal measures of reverence and derision by a lot of gay men.
And there's no question that her image became a laughing stock in the late 80s - early 90s. I remember a MTV skit from the early 90s from Julie Brown's show (not Downtown Julie Brown but the other). Brown was dressed as Nicks, with a white lacy dress and a big blond wig, and all she did was twirl around silently. No one could shake her from her fog - that was the joke.
In that era, admitting to being a Mac or Stevie fan could get you laughed out of a room. I'm glad those times are over! :nod:

diamondsnake

08-27-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by blinker12
I've been to Night of 1,000 Stevies too. I don't think it's mean-spirited at all, but there's definitely some good-natured poking fun at Stevie going on. The twirling, the mane of blond hair, the lacy black dresses...
Like other older female divas (Cher springs to mind), Stevie seems to be viewed with equal measures of reverence and derision by a lot of gay men.
And there's no question that her image became a laughing stock in the late 80s - early 90s. I remember a MTV skit from the early 90s from Julie Brown's show (not Downtown Julie Brown but the other). Brown was dressed as Nicks, with a white lacy dress and a big blond wig, and all she did was twirl around silently. No one could shake her from her fog - that was the joke.
In that era, admitting to being a Mac or Stevie fan could get you laughed out of a room. I'm glad those times are over! :nod:

Please don't tell me you just compared Stevie Nicks with Cher! Stevie can actually sing!!! :laugh: I didn't realize that Stevie was an idol for Gay men. Although the last concert I went of them there was a gay cowboy sitting in front of me, that was weird... But I'm a guy, so would it sound gay for me to say I'm a Stevie fan? I wouldn't think so since she is all about the rock and roll unlike someone like Cher.

dissention

08-27-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
But I'm a guy, so would it sound gay for me to say I'm a Stevie fan?

Would it matter? :confused:

diamondsnake

08-27-2003, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Would it matter? :confused:

I guess not!

dissention

08-27-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
I guess not!

Good! :D

sparky

08-27-2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Although the last concert I went of them there was a gay cowboy sitting in front of me, that was weird... But I'm a guy, so would it sound gay for me to say I'm a Stevie fan?

To have a dollar for every gay cowboy I know or have known...that would be a fistful of cash.

Let's see...does it sound gay for a guy to say he's a Stevie fan ? Unlikely.
A guy saying he enjoys the company of naked men...that would probably be a clincher.

strandinthewind

08-27-2003, 06:33 PM

Hey - let's be careful with the Cher bashing - I love her!!!!! :cool:

diamondsnake

08-27-2003, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Hey - let's be careful with the Cher bashing - I love her!!!!! :cool:

Hey, I'm not bashing her. I actually have one of her albums but I think her and Stevie are way to different to be compared!

diamondsnake

08-27-2003, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by sparky
To have a dollar for every gay cowboy I know or have known...that would be a fistful of cash.

Hahahaha!!! :laugh:

sparky

08-27-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Hahahaha!!! :laugh:

You laugh, yet add in the armed forces guys and I'm going to have to call in the Brinks truck.:nod:

Johnny Stew

08-27-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by sparky
Let's see...does it sound gay for a guy to say he's a Stevie fan ? Unlikely.
A guy saying he enjoys the company of naked men...that would probably be a clincher. Marge: Homer, I think John prefers the company of men.

Homer: Who doesn't!?!

:laugh:

darklinensuit

08-28-2003, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Hey - let's be careful with the Cher bashing - I love her!!!!! :cool:

I'm sorry, Cher who?
:laugh: :wavey:

- Jake (being careful)

Hawkeye

08-28-2003, 01:36 AM

A year and a half ago I was a size four. I was taking antidepressants for a while in increasing doages to deal with the death of my brother from colon cancer. I'm now a size ten. I continued to work out almost every day during this whole time but still gained weight. I've been off of them since the begining of February. It's unbelievable what they can do to you

Antidepressants that cause you to gain wait which make you depressed, I think they need to go back to the drawing board with these pills:laugh:

Hawkeye

08-28-2003, 01:44 AM

diamondsnake, It's not your fault, but your threads have a habbit of drifting considerably off topic.

strandinthewind

08-28-2003, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Hawkeye
Antidepressants that cause you to gain wait which make you depressed, I think they need to go back to the drawing board with these pills:laugh:

and . . . a significant side effect of some of these types of drugs (Zoloft, Buspar, etc. ) make your weenie, for those that have one, not work worse than drinking a 1/5 of whiskey in one siittng. Ouch!!!! :laugh:

strandinthewind

08-28-2003, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
I'm sorry, Cher who?
:laugh: :wavey:

- Jake (being careful)

Shouldn't that be "being Cherful"

:mad: :laugh:

gldstwmn

08-28-2003, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
and . . . a significant side effect of some of these types of drugs (Zoloft, Buspar, etc. ) make your weenie, for those that have one, not work worse than drinking a 1/5 of whiskey in one siittng. Ouch!!!! :laugh:

Since you mentioned "ween", there's another side effect they don't tell you about. One time when I was up to 40mg a day on these things I didn't refill my prescription for three days and by day three I was sick to my stomach, anxious and my skin had this funny green pallor to it. As soon as I went to the pharmacy and took my dose, I was fine again. I had to slowly decrease the dosage down to zero to get off of them. I can't possibly imagine how Stevie kicked Klonopin cold turkey. It must have been horrible.