Which performance of SOTM is better - Tusk or Mirage??

[Mad4stevie]

Ok, people. Time to weigh in on which performance is better.

I have to go with Mirage. The end is just so fabulous with her ranting and she and Lindsey leaning on each other. I love it!

[darklinensuit]

I'll go with Mirage, too. Not just the ranting in tongues & panty spin at the end, but also that super-witchy shot of Stevie in the blue lighting with the wild hair, tapping away. I'd love an avatar of that.
It's hard to believe there are only a few years between these performances. The Tusk one feels almost like a bootleg with that 70s lighting and zoom shots. I do love the crowd reactions in the Tusk one when she raises her hand for dramatic effect.

- Jake

[wondergirl9847]

The audience during SOTM in the Tusk doc...WOW...they went NUTSOS when the lights went up!! It was like this one, giant collective scream!! Gives me chills thinking about it...need to go watch the Tusk doc again. Heh.

Mirage is cool, but I HATE that they edited it, one minute she's all normal, then BAM.....wild, witchy hair and that EDIT. GRR!! :mad: Ya gotta love the Mirage "speaking in tongues" part.

Tusk version....when she mouths "would you be my...would you be my...would you be my...." while looking at someone in the audience and her facial expression....that is pretty cool!

They BOTH rock. :nod:

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
The audience during SOTM in the Tusk doc...WOW...they went NUTSOS when the lights went up!! It was like this one, giant collective scream!! Gives me chills thinking about it...need to go watch the Tusk doc again. Heh.

Mirage is cool, but I HATE that they edited it, one minute she's all normal, then BAM.....wild, witchy hair and that EDIT. GRR!! :mad: Ya gotta love the Mirage "speaking in tongues" part.

Tusk version....when she mouths "would you be my...would you be my...would you be my...." while looking at someone in the audience and her facial expression....that is pretty cool!

They BOTH rock. :nod:

Yeah, I agree - the crowd does go nuts when the lights go up!

Come to think of it, the editing at the end is really bad in the Mirage version. One minutes she is banging away and then the scene completly changes. What the hell?

During Tusk when she is mouthing the words, she is nodding her head to the side over and over - it looks like she has some kind of tic!

[darklinensuit]

Trackaghost, you rock, thanks!
But the image is too big so the forum won't let me use it.
Ideas? And keep in mind I'm pretty clueless.:nod:

- Jake

[wondergirl9847]

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/bc/wondergirl9847/vwp?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=Stevie+-+SOTM+wild+hair+1.gif&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/bc/wondergirl9847/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t

Here tis...hope this works for ya...I shrunk it.

Don't ask me how to get it to move tho....someone will know maybe. LOL

[macmar71]

The Mirage version which is so cool, it sounds like she's speaking in tongues at the end there.
Plus Lindsey singing one of the verses is also a highlight for me.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by macmar71
The Mirage version which is so cool, it sounds like she's speaking in tongues at the end there.
Plus Lindsey singing one of the verses is also a highlight for me.

Stevie at her coked-up finest - LOL!!!:laugh:

[The Tower]

TUSK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The chanting.....

The vulnerability.....

The hand streaked to the sky as she says...

"Of the moon- YEAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

And the crowd goes wild!!!!!

And the finger pointing with-

"It's you, it's you, it's youuuuuu- yeahhh!!! He said, "It's you, it's you, it's you......"

Flips me out ev'ry time.......

[BlueGrass]

HHMM, something about Tusk.

[EnchantedSLN]

Tough question! If we're going only by the performances from the two videos, I have to say Mirage. But for the whole tour overall, I'd go with Tusk-- I love it when she would add the lines from Cecilia: "where have the white birds flown!/have they flown so very far/ no they're just asleep!". There's one from '80 where she does that and then yells "Golden! Emerald! Amber!" or something. One of the Aussie dates, maybe.

[darklinensuit]

Thanks for going to the trouble, Christy, but as Trackaghost anticipated, I've got to have her with the movement. Anybody have any suggestions (other than I shouldn't be so fussy:cool: )?

- Jake

[Mad4stevie]

I would like to know how to make these avatars in the first place - movement or no movement!

[EveryHour]

It's impossible to choose!

The Tusk one is special to me, though, because it was the first video clip I EVER saw of Stevie/FM! Can you IMAGINE the impact of that?!!

[ericktul]

Originally posted by macmar71
The Mirage version which is so cool, it sounds like she's speaking in tongues at the end there.
Plus Lindsey singing one of the verses is also a highlight for me.

That's the part I like best. Plus where she's freaking out at the end, and it looks like Lindsey goes up to John and says, "Dude, she's losing it". LOL!

And I also like where he leans on her while she's crying. Interesting.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
I would like to know how to make these avatars in the first place - movement or no movement!

You save the picture on your hard drive, and bring it up in a picture program (I use MGI Photo Suite 8.1) then shrink the photo to 50 x 50. That's what I did to that Stevie photo, but for some reason, I can't get it to move. LOL

Anyone know?

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
I'll go with Mirage, too. Not just the ranting in tongues & panty spin at the end, but also that super-witchy shot of Stevie in the blue lighting with the wild hair, tapping away.


Exactly! That blue lighting, frizzed out hair and tapping just sets the tone for what's to come. The suspense just puts you on the edge of your seat.

So I vote for the Mirage SOTM, probably my favorite all time Stevie performance.

[David]

Originally posted by cliffdweller
So I vote for the Mirage SOTM, probably my favorite all time Stevie performance. I used to love the '82 one but now I love the '79 one. The older one was shot on film & the newer one on video, & I like the satiny look of the film stock a lot more. The video is too metallic & the lights too glary.

[Livia]

Mirage is cool, but I HATE that they edited it, one minute she's all normal, then BAM.....wild, witchy hair and that EDIT. GRR!! Ya gotta love the Mirage "speaking in tongues" part.

I don't think that's editing - she leaves the stage during LB's guitar solo - and poofed her hair out- put on more lipstick and probably did a line too *heh*. The lighting makes her hair look poofier than it really is....

I prefer the Mirage one for the look - I think Stevie never looked better than during this period - and the "speaking in tongues."

:wavey:

[strandinthewind]

The Tusk recording has it all - an academic vocally superior performace, passion, audience interaction, singing away from the mic., hand raising and the spot light coming on, that cool cloak with the hood, etc. So, I think this one wins from an academic point of view.

Yet, the passion (phew!!!!!!), bizarre if not strained and shrieking vocal, and the drugged out cow bell sequence in the Mirage one are something to behold! Did I forget to mention my fav. part - the panty revealing spin where she almost falls over!!!!!!

:cool:

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
The Tusk recording has it all - an academic vocally superior performace, passion, audience interaction, singing away from the mic., hand raising and the spot light coming on, that cool cloak with the hood, etc. So, I think this one wins from an academic point of view.

Yet, the passion (phew!!!!!!), bizarre if not strained and shrieking vocal, and the drugged out cow bell sequence in the Mirage one are something to behold! Did I forget to mention my fav. part - the panty revealing spin where she almost falls over!!!!!!

:cool:

You know, what I wonder about during the "speaking in tongues" part is at what point does the rest of the band (if they do at all) hear this and say "what the hell?".

Sure, the band digs it when she does her "exorcism" Rhiannon, but at this point, you would think that would at least cross Christine's mind that , "Hey, Stevie, you a just a little too crazy".

[go6car]

Both are like cake and ice cream. I can never decide.

I do love the shot in the Tusk documentry when Stevie throws her fist in the air, then the camera pulls back and the whole audience follows suit.

go6car


(PS: I am still totally cracking up over DarkLinenSuit's bouncing Stevie every time I read a post......:laugh: )

[seteca]

Definitely the '82 version. For many reasons, but a few specific ones come to mind...

Lindsey singing "Some call her....etc etc".......hair-raising!!:cool:

That chorus-drenched guitar tone is so chilling during the verses and solos, and awesomely powerful during the chorus!

And of course.....Stevie going nuts with the vocals at the end...speaking in tongues...whatever you want to call it....it's fantastic!!:nod:

(Besides....the cloak 'n hood in the '79 version freaks me the hell out!:distress:....lol!)

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[joe]

first of all, the cloak n hood thing you guys are talking about is the same thing in both concerts....as a matter of fact, it's also the same (although different chiffon) as during the Bella Donna concert during "Rhiannon"...it's not an official "hood" as it is just her chiffon scarf pinned to her hair....i think it just looks like a hood in the Tusk concert cause her hair was bushier....

anyway my favorite performance is from the Tusk Documentary but i'm going to list my favorite parts from both:

Tusk:
-Stevie banging the cowbell during the first verse with that stare into the audience
-"she called....to meeeeeee, yeahhhhhhh" and the wayt she just turns away from the mic to put the cowbell on Mick's drum platform.
-hurrying to the mic at the second verse and almost missing her cue
-the hand gesture during "cannot for love nor money"
-"ooh....know my name...yeah!!!!"
- the shot of Lindsey throwing his head back during the "some call her sisters of the moon" verses as he looks at the audience
-Lindseys guitar solos rock!
-Stevie, during the last verse, raising and preparing the mic for her explosive ending
-Stevie raising her arm straight above her with the audience going wild and standing on their feet during the finale.
-Stevie walking around the stage mouthing "would you be mine, would you be mine, would you be mine?"
-"it's only you, it's you, it's you, it's you!"
-Stevie dropping to a kneeling position and then graciously rising with her hands together and taking a bow....classic!

ok now Mirage:
-the middle part when she comes crawling out from the side of the stage like a spider and starts the cowbell thing
-the ending "speaking in tongues"
-the "sister.....brother.....sister.....brother.....oooh of the....moon and you say no baby!!!"
-Lindsey leaning on Stevie towards the end of the song

i think the editing on the Mirage concert sucked during this song especially cause one minute she had this wild look and then the next minute her hair was combed down and she was more subdued. Didn't she realize that she should look the same for both nights since they were filming? i guess not. no big deal....only us anal retentive fans would notice!!!

[WednesdaysChild]

Originally posted by joe

-the hand gesture during "cannot for love nor money"


Sorry, but it's "CARED not for love nor money"

[rhiannon1119]

As great as both of them are, I am quite partial to the Mirage version. I really just love everything about that performance.

:) Michelle

[joe]

Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
Sorry, but it's "CARED not for love nor money"


Don't be sorry cause you're right!!!

:thumbsup:

[WednesdaysChild]

I JUST found the 78 version on my computer and dont know how it got there (LOL) but anyway...who is singing harmony with her during the OOOOOHHHHH's? Not Christine??

[mylittledemon]

Yeah the Mirage version is better but its a bad, bad edit. There's that point when Mick hits the snare twice and then Stevie goes..."So we make our choices..." That's a real bad edit.

At any rate...the Mirage version is much more "coked up" as I like to call it. Lindsey and Stevie have that repoire going at the end, and his guitar outro solo is incredible.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by mylittledemon
Yeah the Mirage version is better but its a bad, bad edit. There's that point when Mick hits the snare twice and then Stevie goes..."So we make our choices..." That's a real bad edit.

At any rate...the Mirage version is much more "coked up" as I like to call it. Lindsey and Stevie have that repoire going at the end, and his guitar outro solo is incredible.


Yes. The editing at the end sucks. Especially since the vibe Stevie had going at the point was so cool. It was anything BUT a smooth transition!

The funny thing is that the cowbell that Stevie is using for some reason reminded me of that SNL cowbell skit with Will Farrell playing the cowbell. As they said in the skit, "I have a fever and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL". Too funny!!

[beach~gypsy]

Oh now I am even more sad that i do not have the Tusk doc. !!!!! :distress:

[joe]

Originally posted by beach~gypsy
Oh now I am even more sad that i do not have the Tusk doc. !!!!! :distress:

oh you must get it! spend the money!!! it's worth it just to hear Christine (describing her pre FM days) saying "i ended up joining a band....for some obscure reason i was playing bass!"

[joe]

Originally posted by beach~gypsy
Oh now I am even more sad that i do not have the Tusk doc. !!!!! :distress:

oh you must get it! spend the money!!! it's worth it just to hear Christine (describing her pre FM days) saying "i ended up joining a band called Chicken Shack and for some obscure reason i was playing bass!"

[Livia]

The funny thing is that the cowbell that Stevie is using for some reason reminded me of that SNL cowbell skit with Will Farrell playing the cowbell. As they said in the skit, "I have a fever and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL". Too funny!!

Check this out:

KLBJ Cow Bell Thread (http://www.klbjfm.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=10838)

This is the morning show I listen to every day (cliffdweller may have heard of this too). They've been talking about the SNL cow bell sketch for like 3 weeks now. There's a link in that thread to an avi of the sketch. One of the DJ's, Bob, recently purchased a cow bell and tries to sit in and play it w/ all the bands who come on the show. Another DJ, Dale, does a GREAT Christopher Walken and mentions "what I NEED....is more cow BELL" several times an hour. It's hilarious! My 2 cents are also in that thread-I mentioned Stevie's cow bell and wood block at the Phoenix Hard Rock.

:wavey:

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by Livia
Check this out:

KLBJ Cow Bell Thread (http://www.klbjfm.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=10838)

This is the morning show I listen to every day (cliffdweller may have heard of this too). They've been talking about the SNL cow bell sketch for like 3 weeks now. There's a link in that thread to an avi of the sketch. One of the DJ's, Bob, recently purchased a cow bell and tries to sit in and play it w/ all the bands who come on the show. Another DJ, Dale, does a GREAT Christopher Walken and mentions "what I NEED....is more cow BELL" several times an hour. It's hilarious! My 2 cents are also in that thread-I mentioned Stevie's cow bell and wood block at the Phoenix Hard Rock.

:wavey:

Yeah, "I got a fever, and the only cure is more COWBELL!!!" LOL!

[Janet]

Oh Mirage for sure.

Stevie is so depressed, sad and coked up and her performance is nothing but heartbreaking. Even Lindsey gets off his high horse and shows affection ( hey, Im sure he pretty much despises her at this point). He knew Robin and this is right when that happened. Shes just like...giving it her all , and shes sweating and crying and the blue light and her beauty which cannot be hidden even with all thats going on.

Just a awesome performance...even if its not her really trying...its just Stevie, natural, without barriers.

[chiliD]

I was fortunate to be at both shows at the Great Western Forum that were filmed for the Mirage HBO special and video. One night, everybody was all smiles & huggy-touchy, the next there was bad vibes amongst EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY between Lindsey & Stevie. You can tell when you watch the video which cuts are from which show. The "mad" night, the performances were a little more "intense", but a little sloppy, from either a vocal harmony standpoint and from a "hitting all the breaks & endings right" place...on the "happy" night, the performances were "tighter"; the vocal harmonies were spot on and Lindsey's guitar was in tune the whole night...but, I wouldn't say they were just "going through the motions", but the emotional intensity was at a lower level.

I think the 1982 performances of "Sisters Of The Moon" were a tad bit better than the Tusk tour, mainly because they'd had a tour's worth of performances already under their belt by that time. Being the first encore song in 1982, it was a kind of "featured" piece instead of it being "just another new one off our latest album" song.


Just a point: I think it is safe to say that "coked up" was EVERY show from 1975 til the mid-80's...wasn't just a Mirage tour phenomenon. :nod:

[littlelies7]

Originally posted by macmar71
Plus Lindsey singing one of the verses is also a highlight for me.

You can't go wrong with that. It was pretty awesome :nod:

P.S.: The Mirage version rocks for two reasons:

1) It just does :D

2) I'm not familar with the Tusk version

*gets out tape recorder*

Note to self: "Get Tusk documentary video"

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by littlelies7
You can't go wrong with that. It was pretty awesome :nod:

P.S.: The Mirage version rocks for two reasons:

1) It just does :D

2) I'm not familar with the Tusk version

*gets out tape recorder*

Note to self: "Get Tusk documentary video"

Have you heard the Mp3 of this song from the tusk video? I have it if you want a teaser!!

[The Chain]

Tusk is great, but Stevie just had a different voice in 82, IMO more exciting, and awsome, maybe more mature:confused: ??than the Tusk tour, so I say Mirage:D

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Anyone know?

I can resize it and animate it... It'll take me 2 minutes :) the thing is, I need it emailed to me, because it's not saving for me... Ok, edit... I got it to save... let me know if this works... (I'll atatch it in another post)

Anywho, my favorite SOTM is definitely the Mirage version. I also love the Tusk documentary version, and the '78 version. Love the Stevie and Chris harmonies :)

[xdreamsunwindx]

This should work :)

[littlelies7]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
Have you heard the Mp3 of this song from the tusk video? I have it if you want a teaser!!

Surely! :nod:

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by chiliD
I was fortunate to be at both shows at the Great Western Forum that were filmed for the Mirage HBO special and video. One night, everybody was all smiles & huggy-touchy, the next there was bad vibes amongst EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY between Lindsey & Stevie.

So, you were at the Rosebud ISA performance AND the HBO performances?!

Anyway, interesting about the change in dynamic. Wonder what happened?

And - for me, at least - Mirage version all the way, baby!

[ShamHy89]

I prefer the Mirage version the best. I just love the "brother...sister" part.

Oh and LMAO at the cowbell thread! I love that skit!

Shamus:)

[goldie]

Both versions are great but I have to go with Mirage being the best!! I love the speaking in tongues and the clinking on the cowbell. :nod:

I think the cape over her head in the Tusk version makes her look funny!! It's pressed to close to the top of her head and makes her face look funny!!! But she still looks wonderful, of course!!!

[EveryHour]

Originally posted by EnchantedSLN
Tough question! If we're going only by the performances from the two videos, I have to say Mirage. But for the whole tour overall, I'd go with Tusk-- I love it when she would add the lines from Cecilia: "where have the white birds flown!/have they flown so very far/ no they're just asleep!". There's one from '80 where she does that and then yells "Golden! Emerald! Amber!" or something. One of the Aussie dates, maybe.

In the Young Music '77 video she shouts, "Emerald, golden, dancer" during Rhiannon. I have not heard the SOTM where she says this. I was totally blown away when she said it in this Rhiannon (obviously a reference to the Birds...well, two of them anyway!), and would love to hear this SOTM you speak of. Anyone know the exact show it was?

:wavey:

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by EveryHour
In the Young Music '77 video she shouts, "Emerald, golden, dancer" during Rhiannon. I have not heard the SOTM where she says this. I was totally blown away when she said it in this Rhiannon (obviously a reference to the Birds...well, two of them anyway!), and would love to hear this SOTM you speak of. Anyone know the exact show it was?

:wavey:

I am not sure of the show, but I do have the mp3. Anyone who want me to email it or the Tusk documentary mp3, can either PM me or post their email addy.

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by EveryHour
In the Young Music '77 video she shouts, "Emerald, golden, dancer" during Rhiannon. I have not heard the SOTM where she says this. I was totally blown away when she said it in this Rhiannon (obviously a reference to the Birds...well, two of them anyway!), and would love to hear this SOTM you speak of. Anyone know the exact show it was?

:wavey:

Very cool - but I always hear "Emerald, golden, AMBER."

[ricohv]

Nancy: your last two posts in this thread are cracking me up. You're just a little bit sassy. (Remember me-I sent some songs for the HOB 94 show you're currently posting?:) )

[ricohv]

Oops that last post got away from me.... to finish:
Mad4Stevie-I just sent a PM requesting Tusk SOTM, but then I remembered I had a PM that sat for 4 mos. because I didn't have e-mail alert on, so anyways...you have a (not so) private message.

AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION (does anyone still care or read this by the end of page 4 anyways?):

SINCE i DON'T KNOW THE tUSK VERSION OF COURSE IT'S mIRAGE, which would probably win even if I knew the Tusk one, because that frizzly-blue-hair, cowbell-over-the-head, walking-like-a spider-in-those-boots-dance (and of course, the tongue talkin') is suuuuuuuuper creepy in that Stevie way!!!
She's not really doing anything creepy on this tour. TOO BAD!
Ricoh

[PenguinHead]

I can't choose between the two. Both perfomances have their merits. But one thing about the Tusk video...it's very obvious to me that the audience noise was over-dubbed in those performances. It's not that there wasn't audience noise and applause...it's just that the producers "sweetened" it a little more. It's rather annoying to me. It's very apparent in Sisters Of The Moon. Has anyone else picked up on this?

And wow! This very post has turned me into an "addicted ledgie!"

[joe]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
I can't choose between the two. Both perfomances have their merits. But one thing about the Tusk video...it's very obvious to me that the audience noise was over-dubbed in those performances. It's not that there wasn't audience noise and applause...it's just that the producers "sweetened" it a little more. It's rather annoying to me. It's very apparent in Sisters Of The Moon. Has anyone else picked up on this?

And wow! This very post has turned me into an "addicted ledgie!"


yeah, that extra audience noise is very noticeable and annoying. you can actually hear the same loop in several songs. i wish they would rerelease this without the "sweetening". i love it when they've got the "audience" cheering during songs like "not that funny" when you know the audience was probably going for a bathroom break...not that the song isn't good...but at that time i don't think people were going as haywire as the documentary suggests.

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by ricohv
Nancy: your last two posts in this thread are cracking me up. You're just a little bit sassy. (Remember me-I sent some songs for the HOB 94 show you're currently posting?:) )

Of course I remember you. :) And I'm very grateful!

Was I being sassy? I didn't mean to come across that way!

[David]

I like the "Tusk" show better. It's wrapped in velvet, but I don't really know its name.

[joe]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by David
I like the "Tusk" show better. It's wrapped in velvet, but I don't really know its name. [/QUOT


but you can't get enough of it.....can ya?

[ricohv]

David & Joe,
Many of those things pass us by. It keeps passing me by!
Ricoh

[joe]

Originally posted by ricohv
David & Joe,
Many of those things pass us by. It keeps passing me by!
Ricoh

well, you know what? it doesn't matter anymore.

[joe]

Originally posted by EveryHour
In the Young Music '77 video she shouts, "Emerald, golden, dancer" during Rhiannon. I have not heard the SOTM where she says this. I was totally blown away when she said it in this Rhiannon (obviously a reference to the Birds...well, two of them anyway!), and would love to hear this SOTM you speak of. Anyone know the exact show it was?

:wavey:

Originally posted by sodascouts
Very cool - but I always hear "Emerald, golden, AMBER."


funny....i always thought it was "emerald, golden. SATIN"

we're all hearing different things....mine could be wrong though....my ears are shot!

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by joe
funny....i always thought it was "emerald, golden. SATIN"



Joe, I read this a little too quickly, and at first I thought you wrote that you heard "emerald, golden, SATAN!" lol!

[EveryHour]

Originally posted by sodascouts
Very cool - but I always hear "Emerald, golden, AMBER."

Hmmm...
I was straining to understand the third word in the YM Rhiannon. "Emerald" and "golden" were very clear, but I finally concluded the third word was "dancer". Perhaps it was indeed "amber" (a word that actually did cross my mind when I was trying to figure it out), or maybe she did it differently in the two performances. Whatever the case, I LOVE IT!!!
Veddy inta-resting.
:wavey: