Christine singing "Dreams" [Archive]

WednesdaysChild

08-06-2003, 10:57 AM

I just read a Reno review on Nicksfix and the person had commented on Lindsey's singing the verse of "Goodbye Baby" when Stevie could not. The person compared it to the time when Christine sang "Dreams." When did this happen and why? I've never heard of anyone singing anyone else's songs...

SillyDreamer

08-06-2003, 11:07 AM

I think there was also a show during the Dance tour when Lindsey sang the last line or two from Silver Springs because the emotion of the song got to her.. I don't know anything about Dreams though

WednesdaysChild

08-06-2003, 11:24 AM

Yup, the reviewer on Nicksfix talked about LB finishing SS during the Dance...but this Dreams thing really intrigues me!

joe

08-06-2003, 11:38 AM

the only time i remember Christine singing "Dreams" was during a (or some) Rumours rehearsal....she also sang "Rhiannon"....she also sang the same songs during a/some of the Mirage tour rehearsals plus "Gypsy" and "Straight Back"....

I don't know if she ever did it during an actual concert.

Lindsey also had to sing a few verses of "Sisters of the Moon" on the Mirage video....i don't know if he "had" to or if they planned it that way though.

SmthngOfADreamr

08-06-2003, 11:43 AM

Yeah, I have it on a cd that is a Mirage concert rehersal I think. It's pretty bland though, nothing exciting at all. I'm sure she never did it in concert, only for when the band was rehersing without Stevie.

ericktul

08-06-2003, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
Yeah, I have it on a cd that is a Mirage concert rehersal I think. It's pretty bland though, nothing exciting at all. I'm sure she never did it in concert, only for when the band was rehersing without Stevie.

I have this also. It's interesting, only because it isn't Stevie singing.

SmthngOfADreamr

08-06-2003, 11:47 AM

The best part of that CD, if it's the same one I have, is Sara. Stevie stops the song in the middle and bitches at Lindsey and Christine for not singing back up vocals. She's like, "Well I can't hear any back up vocals, and that's because you're NOT SINGING!" It just stikes me as funny.

Merf

08-06-2003, 11:49 AM

WednesdaysChild

08-06-2003, 11:56 AM

Reeeeeaaaarrrr Someone gets bitchy when things don't go her way! :laugh:

(If you f*ck with my songs, I'm gonna get real f*cking angry!) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

ericktul

08-06-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
The best part of that CD, if it's the same one I have, is Sara. Stevie stops the song in the middle and bitches at Lindsey and Christine for not singing back up vocals. She's like, "Well I can't hear any back up vocals, and that's because you're NOT SINGING!" It just stikes me as funny.

Mmm...it's been years since I've listened to it. I don't recall what you're saying, but I'll check it out tonight. I think Hold Me is interesting, and certainly not like the album version.

For the life of me, I can't find my Mirage outtakes CD with the great demo of Smile At You. If only they were able to get that same rage out of Stevie on the SYW cut, it would've been a great song!

jmn3

08-06-2003, 04:25 PM

I think this was just a rehearsal thing when Stevie wasn't around. It was nothing to write home about. Just imagine Chris' voice doing Dreams...nothing was bad about it, but nothing exciting here.

Lindsey finished Silver Springs in Atlantic City in '97 and apparently did a part in Goodbye Baby in Reno a few days ago. As for SOTM during the Mirage Tour, that was planned that way. Lindsey did that line "Some call her sister of the moon, some say illusion is her game, I'd like to wrap her in velvet, does anyone, know her name?" during the entire tour, I believe. I think he also sang that line on the Baton Rouge '78 version of Sisters too. I'm not positive, but I don't think he sang that part on the Tusk tour. I can't remember and all my old Tusk tour MP3's are gone when my old PC crashed.

Sugar

08-06-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by ericktul
I think Hold Me is interesting, and certainly not like the album version.

Not so much the rehearsal version (although the three of them singing slow in the beginning is cool) but I really like the live version that gets circulated as part of the Shine Angel CD (Oakland, CA, 1982)! It's NOT the same as the album, but I think they sound like they're having so much fun on it! Especially at the end. I've heard people say it doesn't work live, but I don't agree. It's just different, and I think in some ways it's better! Christine's piano sounds so much more pure for some reason.

Incidently, there's also a rehersal version of Christine singing Rhiannon and Gypsy as well. Guess Stevie had a hard time getting to rehearsals... :laugh:

jmn3

08-06-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Sugar
Not so much the rehearsal version (although the three of them singing slow in the beginning is cool) but I really like the live version that gets circulated as part of the Shine Angel CD (Oakland, CA, 1982)! It's NOT the same as the album, but I think they sound like they're having so much fun on it! Especially at the end. I've heard people say it doesn't work live, but I don't agree. It's just different, and I think in some ways it's better! Christine's piano sounds so much more pure for some reason.

By any chance, is this the "Hold Me" where in the beginning Lindsey makes some odd noise "Hiyooo"...and then Chris is laughing about something. Then Linds goes into one of his canned speeches "This is the...this is uh...was the uh... first single off the Mirage album...it's one of my favorites...one of Chris'...it's called Hold Me!"

I've had this downloaded since the Audiogalaxy days with no idea what show it was!

By the way, I LOVE live "Hold Me!" "Hold me, hold me, yeahhhhh" was great! My favorite Mac songs have always been Chris/Lindsey colaborations. :nod:

jmn3

08-06-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Sugar
Incidently, there's also a rehersal version of Christine singing Rhiannon and Gypsy as well. Guess Stevie had a hard time getting to rehearsals... :laugh:

Okay, so by any chance did Chris let loose and get all Stevie-esque on the end of Rhiannon? That song was still rocking back during the Mirage days...I jsut can't imagine Christine McVie doing the "I don't change, you don't change, it's all the saaaaaaaame - RHIANNONNNNNNNN..." at all. But I would pay good money to hear it!

darklinensuit

08-06-2003, 06:22 PM

I think I'd laugh if I ever heard Chris singing GDW or SOTM with that sunny voice.

I remember seeing a CD advertised on ebay last year with Chris singing lead on Dreams, supposedly.

- Jake

Sugar

08-06-2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by jmn3
By any chance, is this the "Hold Me" where in the beginning Lindsey makes some odd noise "Hiyooo"...and then Chris is laughing about something. Then Linds goes into one of his canned speeches "This is the...this is uh...was the uh... first single off the Mirage album...it's one of my favorites...one of Chris'...it's called Hold Me!"

Maybe not...I don't hear Chris laughing in this version, and I've got the order of "one of my favorites" and "one of Chris'" reversed and Lindsey says "I think this is a hell of a song...it's called Hold Me", but like you said Lindsey's little speeches are always the same so it's a little hard to tell.

By the by, this got me thinking about Chris and Lindsey...anyone else notice that there's one significant Lindsey/Chris collaboration on every album?

World Turning
Don't Stop
Think About Me
Hold Me
Mystified

Just a product of them being in the studio together more since Stevie (as she admits herself) often wasn't there? I don't know...just something I've noticed...:shrug:

Sugar

08-06-2003, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by jmn3
Okay, so by any chance did Chris let loose and get all Stevie-esque on the end of Rhiannon? That song was still rocking back during the Mirage days...I jsut can't imagine Christine McVie doing the "I don't change, you don't change, it's all the saaaaaaaame - RHIANNONNNNNNNN..." at all. But I would pay good money to hear it!

I only have a 13 second clip of Chris' Rhiannon, but I just can't imagine her letting loose like that! Anyone have a longer version???

DownOnRodeo

08-06-2003, 07:48 PM

As you might imagine, when Chris filled in for Stevie, she only sang the bare minimum, cause the point was for the rest of the band to practice - including herself. So the vocals are nothing exciting, quite soft and unclear in the mix (which is scratchy anyway), and I can assure you - no "Take me by the wind" stuff!

Sugar - although Don't Stop, Think About Me and Hold Me are written by Chris (well, Hold Me was co-written with Robbie Patton or someone I think?), you make an interesting point about them coming across as joint efforts, not just from the vocal sharing. They all have that same hard rocking sound ... and the idea of the instrumental musicians having fun and 'jamming' in Stevie's absence makes sense.

WednesdaysChild

08-06-2003, 07:58 PM

The songs that Sugar pointed out all have a similar "sound"--I'm sure you guys know what I'm talking about. It's like a jam session. I love the LB and CM collaborations.

I heard that when Stevie's band practices for her shows, Sharon sings all of Stevie's songs, and then Stevie comes in when it gets closer to the tour starting. I think that's weird, but Stevie's a busy girl.

Sugar

08-06-2003, 08:23 PM

Oh yeah, DownOnRodeo, I didn't really mean from a writing point of view, but more from the point that they aren't mearly acting as band members or backing vocalists, but have more equitable "featured" roles on the songs.

Although upon further reflection, I suppose the same could be said about "Crystal" and "I Don't Want To Know" with Lindsey and Stevie (interestingly, both Stevie penned). For obvious reasons that trend seemed to end after Rumours. Perhaps there was just always an intention to pair off the three singers in different combinations to make things interesting and Lindsey and Chris opted to continue on even after the "Lindsey/Stevie" combination became...shall we say...less desirable for the concerned parties... ;)

WednesdaysChild

08-06-2003, 08:34 PM

Why didn't Stevie and Christine ever write songs together, or sing more than backing vocals on each others songs? What a shame...

David R

08-06-2003, 10:53 PM

yeah there really wasn't any lindsey/stevie duets anymore after "i don't want to know"... i wonder why... actually i think i prefer the christine/lindsey duets like "hold me" their voices really work well together...

macfan 57

08-07-2003, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
Why didn't Stevie and Christine ever write songs together, or sing more than backing vocals on each others songs? What a shame...

Christine has said in various interviews that she & Stevie were not compatable together as writers, just too different, I guess.

I do agree with everyone. The Chris & Lindsey duets are terrific. Their voices blended together perfectly.

DownOnRodeo

08-07-2003, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by macfan 57
Christine has said in various interviews that she & Stevie were not compatable together as writers, just too different, I guess.

Am I the only one who's inspired for a new thread where we submit Stevie songs as edited by Christine and vice versa? ;) ;)

ericktul

08-07-2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
Reeeeeaaaarrrr Someone gets bitchy when things don't go her way! :laugh:

(If you f*ck with my songs, I'm gonna get real f*cking angry!) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I listened to it last night, and it is fairly subtle, but I'm surprised I never noticed it before.

The song is going along, and the music stops just past the halfway point. Christine says "I can't hear the piano well." Then Stevie says, kind of calmly, "Well, I can't hear any harmony, and it's probably because you're not singing."

Chris ignores the statement and continues to work on the sound of the piano.

ericktul

08-07-2003, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by David R
yeah there really wasn't any lindsey/stevie duets anymore after "i don't want to know"... i wonder why...

Except for Twisted, which I would love to see them do live. I also think Lindsey would sound great on Leather & Lace.

WednesdaysChild

08-07-2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by ericktul
I listened to it last night, and it is fairly subtle, but I'm surprised I never noticed it before.

The song is going along, and the music stops just past the halfway point. Christine says "I can't hear the piano well." Then Stevie says, kind of calmly, "Well, I can't hear any harmony, and it's probably because you're not singing."

Chris ignores the statement and continues to work on the sound of the piano.

Oh, so it wasn't a bitching out of Christine and Lindsey then? Just a matter-of-fact statement?

cliffdweller

08-07-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by David R
yeah there really wasn't any lindsey/stevie duets anymore after "i don't want to know"... i wonder why...

Maybe it's because they could barely stand to be in the same room together, and when they did have to work closely on songs it was probably like pulling teeth.

kdemelli

08-07-2003, 11:00 AM

ericktul

08-07-2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
Oh, so it wasn't a bitching out of Christine and Lindsey then? Just a matter-of-fact statement?

I wouldn't say that, exactly. I think it was aimed a Chris more than Lindsey. It has the feel that she may have been giving her the evil eye while saying it. You can tell she's a little frustrated, but not much.

Kind of funny, the problem I've always had with Sara (especially the unedited version) is that it just goes on and on. This rehearsal of it stops and starts about 4 times. But, the different way it sounds each time makes it well worth the 10 or 15 minutes it lasts.

ericktul

08-07-2003, 11:26 AM

kdemelli

08-07-2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by ericktul
The tour dates listed on The Penguin don't even mention an OKC Mirage show, so who knows?

I noticed that so i snuck over to another site that had Memphis listed atleast, so I'm pretty sure that's when it's from, that is unless they went to Memphis twice.:rolleyes:

Kate

Cammie

08-07-2003, 01:34 PM

:wavey: :) We watched a tour tape from F Mac
at Largo/ 1979... where Stevie is throwing
out some fierce looks at Lindsey and Chris
because he glides over to her mic to sing
backup duet with Chris giving her a sweet
little smooch as she plays the piano part!

Naughty Lindsey and Chris... so adorable!
They put their heads together and sing the
appropriate parts eventually on her mic! ;)

To be fair here...Lindsey also sings "Angel"
on one mic with Stevie...that was so cute!
MY... but that man exudes sexuality !!! :cool:

WednesdaysChild

08-07-2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Cammie
:wavey: :) We watched a tour tape from F Mac
at Largo/ 1979... where Stevie is throwing
out some fierce looks at Lindsey and Chris
because he glides over to her mic to sing
backup duet with Chris giving her a sweet
little smooch as she plays the piano part!

Naughty Lindsey and Chris... so adorable!
They put their heads together and sing the
appropriate parts eventually on her mic! ;)

To be fair here...Lindsey also sings "Angel"
on one mic with Stevie...that was so cute!
MY... but that man exudes sexuality !!! :cool:

What song did Lindsey and Chris do the backup duet thing? Too cute--thanks for sharing! :)

jmn3

08-07-2003, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by kdemelli
Hey I've got that one. I think it's from Memphis '83, but I could be wrong. ok i just looked at the tour dates for mirage and that doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever.:( ok that's better perhaps Memphis October 12th 1982.:D

Kate

Nope, it's not Memphis...though they are similar...VERY similar. On Memphis, Lindsey says something in his intro like "This is one of mine, uh...one of MY favorites..." Anyway, I only know this 'cause I do have the Memphis '82 concert in it's entirety...and these are definitley different. This Hold Me is just bizzare, nobody knows where it's from!!

As for Memphis...Linds definitley gets in the sauce towards the end. His speech during the intro to GYOW..."Memmmmmphis we'd like to thankyouverymuch..." is so sloppy. And he kinda goofs the beginning of Blue Letter...but all in all a good show by a great band!

David

08-07-2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by jmn3
Nope, it's not Memphis...though they are similar...VERY similar. On Memphis, Lindsey says something in his intro like "This is one of mine, uh...one of MY favorites..." Anyway, I only know this 'cause I do have the Memphis '82 concert in it's entirety...and these are definitley different. This Hold Me is just bizzare, nobody knows where it's from!! It's from the McNichols Arena show in Denver Oct. 15, 1982.

The Oklahoma City show at the Myriad was Sept. 26.

gldstwmn

08-08-2003, 12:14 AM

ericktul

08-08-2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by David

The Oklahoma City show at the Myriad was Sept. 26.

Yep. The good 'ol Myriad. We miss her so.

I posted a review from that show on The Ledge not too long ago.

PenguinHead

08-08-2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by kdemelli
Hey I've got that one. I think it's from Memphis '83, but I could be wrong. ok i just looked at the tour dates for mirage and that doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever.:( ok that's better perhaps Memphis October 12th 1982.:D

Kate

A statement of fact: The very short Mirage tour took place in 1982. There were no Fleetwood Mac concerts in 1983 -- Stevie was on to her Wild Heart period by that time. It doesn't take much effort to confirm this.

It's so easy for someone to get the facts wrong, and then have a whole lot of people accepting it as the truth. I tried to convince one on-line fan that her 1983 Mirage CDR show was from 1982. Yet I don't think she really believed me because "It says 1983 on the CDR!" (Just shoot me, please!)

Please be careful not to take any of the information provided on bootlegs as fact, unless you can substantuate it. I've been a Fleetwood Mac follower longer than most of the fans on this site have been alive. I know better.

sodascouts

08-08-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by PenguinHead
I tried to convince one on-line fan that her 1983 Mirage CDR show was from 1982. Yet I don't think she really believed me because "It says 1983 on the CDR!" (Just shoot me, please!)

Please be careful not to take any of the information provided on bootlegs as fact, unless you can substantuate it. I've been a Fleetwood Mac follower longer than most of the fans on this site have been alive. I know better.

Sorry if I bruised your ego, sweetie. If I'd realized how much it mattered to you, I would have changed it so that everyone could partake of your expertise (wisdom the likes of which newer fans like me, in our wretched ignorance, can only hope to one day obtain). I hope you can find it in your heart to overcome your disgust and condescend to forgive my horrifying oversight. I know I am unworthy of such consideration, and deserve all the contemptuous scorn you would like to heap on me in public forums such as this one, but I beg for it anyway.

Mea culpa.

ericktul

08-08-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by PenguinHead

Please be careful not to take any of the information provided on bootlegs as fact, unless you can substantuate it. I've been a Fleetwood Mac follower longer than most of the fans on this site have been alive. I know better.

Wow. Is it really that big of a deal? I mean, I think as long as you know what tour it's from, that's good enough.

Cristian

08-08-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by sodascouts
...your expertise (wisdom the likes of which newer fans like me, in our wretched ignorance, can only hope to one day obtain)... Tehee... :laugh:

Nothing more to add, I guess. It wasn't such a big deal anyway.

Song of the moment - Green Manalishi

Johnny Stew

08-08-2003, 04:34 PM

In the grand scheme of things, the correct labeling of Fleetwood Mac's live shows is a pretty inconsequential thing... but I'll tell ya, for us obsessive types, it's enough to almost drive you crazy. :cool:

I've seen several auctions on eBay for concert CDs from years when Fleetwood Mac or Stevie didn't even tour... ie: "This amazing show is from Stevie's sold-out world tour in 1984!!!" :confused:

Unfortunately those kinds of mistakes have made it very difficult to pin down dates on some of the earliest bootlegs... such as the Trod Nossel Studios recording in Connecticut (often bootlegged as 'Who's The New Girl'), or the King Biscuit Flower Hour show (the locale is often given incorrectly on that one too).

I started work on a site a couple years ago, trying to correct those kinds of things... giving the actual dates (as best as I could find in my research), locations, full track-listings (since some CD bootlegs actually contain truncated versions of shows originally bootlegged on vinyl), etc., but it got put on the backburner, and still never completed.
I am the king of procrastination unfortunately.

kdemelli

08-08-2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by PenguinHead
A statement of fact: The very short Mirage tour took place in 1982. There were no Fleetwood Mac concerts in 1983 -- Stevie was on to her Wild Heart period by that time. It doesn't take much effort to confirm this.

It's so easy for someone to get the facts wrong, and then have a whole lot of people accepting it as the truth. I tried to convince one on-line fan that her 1983 Mirage CDR show was from 1982. Yet I don't think she really believed me because "It says 1983 on the CDR!" (Just shoot me, please!)

Please be careful not to take any of the information provided on bootlegs as fact, unless you can substantuate it. I've been a Fleetwood Mac follower longer than most of the fans on this site have been alive. I know better.

As far as I'm concerned I corrected myself, and then was told that it was similar but not the same bootleg as the one in question. The fact that I allowed my original mistake to show is in some ways proof to the fact that I believe that facts should be correct. I did make the effort and I found a date that corresponded to the time frame of Mirage as well as the city that was listed on my bootleg. I'm sorry that the initial misinformation caused you to doubt the degree to which I value truth, but in the end I made an honest mistake and I corrected it.
Kate

PenguinHead

08-09-2003, 12:46 PM

Perhaps I communicated my thoughts with just a little too much attitude! Sorry...I guess a few lines could be construed as condescending. I shouldn't have written it in the state I was in -- angry and upset about my job search and mitigating circumstances. Next time I'll take my aggressions elsewhere.

Still...as a self-proclaimed obsessive collecter, and as a professional writer, details are absolutely important to me. And I hate to see misinformation spread around to the point where it becomes considered as fact.

With regard to collecting shows...speaking for myself, the more information I have about a particular show, the better. Historical accuracy (dates) is obviously important to distinguish hundreds of concerts.

Plus, with regard to what JohnnyStew mentioned, without the proper information, it becomes easy to obtain a duplicate of show you already have -- because the date was misrepresented.

In fact, I think the few less-than-credible, dubious traders/sellers that lurk out there sometimes diliberately mislabel shows so to dupe people into buying something they already own. Am I being paranoid? Has this happened to anyone?

sodascouts

08-09-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by PenguinHead

Still...as a self-proclaimed obsessive collecter, and as a professional writer, details are absolutely important to me. And I hate to see misinformation spread around to the point where it becomes considered as fact.

I understand. I too have been aggravated to wait ages downloading a song on WinMX labelled one thing when it is actually something I already had. I had two different versions of "Trouble," both labelled Center Stage. I had to pull out the videotape and watch it, then compare it to the MP3s, to discover which one was TRULY from Centerstage. I still don't know where the other one was from. It's pretty bad when you have to record the times of the songs and file sizes to make sure you're not downloading duplicates.

So I'm certainly not proud of the fact that it was mislabelled on my site. In fact, it's quite embarrassing, which is probably why I reacted so badly to being used as the example of a lazy ignoramous in your post, lol.

Sorry about your job search. Hope things go better.

Johnny Stew

08-09-2003, 03:37 PM

Hi Nancy... could that version of "Trouble" be from Lindsey's 1981 appearance on SNL, or the San Juan Capistrano bootleg?
I've seen both of those floating around on WinMX and KaZaA.

There are some things that I've just given up on ever knowing the true source & date.