Fan Club Members can't resell tickets or they are banned!!

[reebokandlace]

I recieved an email from the fan club stating that a fan club member CAN NOT resell their tickets or their membership will be terminated.

They are trying to stop scalpers BUT what about the people who buy tickets through the fan club, then get better seats closer to the date of the show and need to dump their crappy tickets? So I guess fan club members are supposed to "eat" the $275 they spent on tickets through the fan club! That just seems wrong.

[wondergirl9847]

I just read that a few minutes ago too. On the one hand, they are TRYING to keep people from massively buying tickets and then reselling, but dang, you are right, what about people with EXTRA tickets or that get BETTER tickets (99.9999999% of the time. LOL)?

I mean, can they not use common sense in going on Ebay or whatever and turning in the people who are selling massive amounts of tickets? :rolleyes:

[Mad4stevie]

Oh, this is crap!

One more reason that I will not frequent Mick's website give any more $$$ to that idiot Johnathan Todd.

This guy is a complete control freak. I thought he was supposed to have "special measures" in place to prevent scalpers from getting all the tickets.

This guy is a true picture of an idiot in action. :rolleyes:

[iamiona]

I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the fact that the people over at "the site that shall not be named" have discovered that a member of the fan club is using some sort of program to get nearly all of the first four rows of seats during presale time from TM and then selling them on ebay. His name on ebay is minionofnothing, and it's also a problem for Tom Petty and Neil Young fans--they're looking into the matter as well. Quite a few people over there are up in arms about it, which if it's true, is definitely called for. The board administrators are looking into it, as they say... I hope I don't get my butt kicked here for just occasionally visiting that site (I don't post and am not registered to do so since I support all that's going on with seeknpeace to "bust" JT....)....

Iona

[seeker007nmss]

Well how about the trick we used to get around scalping in the old days. Put ad up saying "For sale: #2 pencil $400 get 2 free front row tickets to Mac show on april 18th at Joe's Stadium with purchase." Thats how we use to do it.

I don't think it is fair to gobble up all the tickets, but I see nothing wrong with selling off one extra ticket if someone can't make it.

I am afraid there will always be insiders taking advantage of whatever is thought up. (How about Mac issuing another Live cd? Then more could hear them who can't afford tickets).

Just a thought.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

So what about the thread they had over there where fans had spare tickets to sell? Has that been removed now? If the fan club delivered the great seats it originally promised then fans would have no need to sell them when they get better through the public sale.

Jonathan Todd is an idiot.... no actually that's an insult to idiots!

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Also I don't know why they are only just sitting up and taking note about this scalper issue. It has been going on since the very first pre-sale. All of a sudden he is 'hopping mad'? This is just a last ditch attempt to make it seem like he has the fans interests at heart before his kingdom falls around his ears

Pip

[EnchantedSLN]

*SCALPER CONTROLS – Change In Membership Rules:

The membership agreement to the Fan Club provides for changes and additions to Club rules and all members agree to accept such changes. Accordingly – to protect all members the following change is effective immediately:

“Tickets purchased through Fan Club programs are for personal use only and are not for resale. Violation of this policy is grounds for immediate termination without refund.”

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I recieved that too. I highly doubt that will deter any scalpers. The fanclub will not be monitoring eBay or independent broker websites to enforce it. As it is the so-called staff doesn't take the time to answer e-mails from members with questions/concerns/technical problems with the system. Yet again, sounds like the club is just issuing lip-service to protect itself.

Did they ever resolve the issue of people having their memberships hijacked if they happened to use a login identical to their message board names?

Perhaps they should add a "fan club tickets also may not be used to bribe members or pay off moderators" addendum, while they're at it :laugh:.

[seeknpeace]

Well, isn't this cute, here at the last hour, a stupid, insane effort to "thwart" scalping. Uh, one presale left? Maybe?

Ya'll remember WAAAAY back when we bought our memberships, we were told that there was scalping software in place to prevent scalpers? Remember that? Well, of course there was not.

Ya'll remember when we said to him, before the first sale, "hey, if our screen names are our "secret" passwords, won't that put our ticket allotment at risk?" Ya'll remember how he never, ever once answered that question?

Then, remember how over 100 names were stolen in the first presale and he did not change the passwords to be unique and not known? And, then how he said that he would change the passwords after the first presale? And he didn't?

And, how he said that he was changing the passwords before this last presale that we had? and he didn't? And, then he erased ALL mention of his stating that he would change the password from the site the nite before the last presale that he was supposed to have changed it for so that you would not know that he ONCE AGAIN, did not take care of the fans and this issue?

Now, you all tell me how forcing you to keep rotten tickets is gonna stop someone from using your allotment, or how it is gonna fix the problem. All that he has done is create a problem for members, for the ppl who are getting screwed over and over...what a prince. :distress: :distress:

[flyfirefly]

This is so silly.

I'm still paying for the tickets, and I still paid for my Fan Club membership, so really...no one can stop me from selling my tickets, regardless of how I obtained them.

[seeknpeace]

Originally posted by flyfirefly
This is so silly.

I'm still paying for the tickets, and I still paid for my Fan Club membership, so really...no one can stop me from selling my tickets, regardless of how I obtained them.

Oh, but, see, he says he can change the rules any old time that he pleases. He doesn't have to ask management, the band or God. It is ALL up to JT. But, remember, he cannot post a pic of Stevie without asking all the above, and it taking weeks and weeks, but, honey, let him want to do something, snap.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

He really does make it up as he goes along. But this 'scalper control' really is too little too late. Absolutely pathetic.

Pip

[Livia]

Has he hired a full-time team of crackheads to crack down on anyone who may be reselling their tickets??? Most people who sell on ebay don't bother to mention that they are fan club seats, for one thing. Why doesn't he just go after all the ebay users who names are akin to "tickets4u," et al?????

"Personal use" has many definitions..."Personally, I no longer had a use for my crappy fan club tickets, so I sold them in order to regain my personal loss of my personal money." Possession is 9/10th of the law...



:rolleyes:

[sarahw]

Exactly how would he know if someone were to sell their tickets? Unless the seller advertises the fact that the tickets were purchased via the pre-sale, there is no way to determine ownership. Quite honestly, who cares if you get booted out....exactly what would you be missing?

I truly feel for those who paid for the fan club. The "security" for the pre-sales was ridiculous. I mean, how hard is it to make up a screen name? That was the password? All you had to do was type in each band member's name until you got in.....for a man who is supposed to be the hot website guy he insulted everyone with that scheme.

[glitter-fades]

I posted this in the fan club thread too. Sorry to repeat myself but that thread seems to be kinda dead these days. I've just heard the latest noise from the fan club about reselling fan club tickets. So...the club's coming down on members who try to resell their club seats (becasue they suck and found better ones) all because of a single scalper suspected of being a hacker. This hacker/scalper is also supposed to be a club member, according to the club administration. He's gotten all the good front row fan club seats to most of the tour shows going back to the earliest show dates and the first pre-sale.

HELLO! Why's everyone up in arms about this at Mick's board now? Where was all this outrage when a bunch of us got booted from that board for complaining loudly about the first pre-sale? We specifically brought up this issue of scalpers and hackers getting people's passwords or knowing how to hack the system before other club members got in. We asked for an explanation of how the scalpers at eBay got all the good seats and why all the known club members got nothing but back of the floor. We got nothing but silence and the boot from the site administrators. Now the Knight says he's hopping mad. Why now?

Way back, when we questioned the process for selling fan club seats, he said there was software in place to prevent such happenings. We were told not to worry. We were shouted down by all the people who said we were malcontents. Now the tour is over and this stuff is just getting airplay? What's up with that?

[mikeboston]

Not to sound negative (too late) but as long as the cash keeps rolling Mick's way, JT will get to do whatever he wants. I'm almost sickened by the realization that everytime the man (MF) opens his mouth, his primary goal is dollars (or pounds) in the bank. His dedication to his "fans, and the band and the music" is just an excuse for his dedication to cold hard cash. :distress:

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by mikeboston
Not to sound negative (too late) but as long as the cash keeps rolling Mick's way, JT will get to do whatever he wants. I'm almost sickened by the realization that everytime the man (MF) opens his mouth, his primary goal is dollars (or pounds) in the bank. His dedication to his "fans, and the band and the music" is just an excuse for his dedication to cold hard cash. :distress:

Honey...didn't you know that the Fleetwoods are going to retire to Hawaii to bring up the babies and that Mrs Fleetwood has a passion for new kitchens every three months?
It takes dollars......so is it any wonder?

:laugh:

[mikeboston]

Thanks for the scoop High Priestess! it's nice to know where a good share of my money is going.

And the facon de parler...LMAO!!:thumbsup:

[glitter-fades]

I know what you mean, Mike, about sounding negative. At critical junctures in the fan club history, I've been guilty of being quite negative. I wasn't always that way, though. When I first went to Mick's board last year, before JT started the fan club, I was one of the supportive people. I wanted to believe (against my better judgment...knowing Mick's history) that the fan club was a true outreach for the band. I wanted to believe it was more than a money grab...something of a thank you to the fans. I was wrong and I feel foolish for letting my enthusiasm for the new cd and tour get in the way of my knowledge of how these people in the music business operate. Business is business. I understand that. Mick has always shown himself to be motivated by money, but I'm sure the others are too, they're just not as, in your face about it. I'm not saying the band doesn't deserve the money, either.

The one thing I don't agree with, and I refuse to accept, is the way the fan club director misled people at the outset and refuses to admit mistakes were made. When you screw up, you admit it, make amends, and all is forgiven. I was once a supporter and I left the fold as soon as it was clear to me the fan club was never about the fans. When important questions were asked and the fan club began an orchestrated campaign to stop questions and to smack down fans who asked them, I was never going back again.

At first I tried to be diplomatic about my issues with the fan club and how it was being run. Then the orchestrated flames were thrown at everyone who dared question the Knight and the club. I flamed back, but not for my own gain, and not just for the fun of it. I'm not into being the loose cannon on a message board. I just refuse to let that dude harrass me after I trusted him with my money and my personal information by joining the fan club. I felt I had a right to speak out and to ask questions. I was one of the first to ask how the ticketing through ticketmaster was going to work, and questioned why he chose to do it that way, especially to use our screen names as our tickemaster passwords. Anyone with half a brain could see that was never going to work! There was still plenty of time at that point to conduct the ticketing directly through Mick's board...if the club had really wanted to do what was best for the fans.

JT getting hopping mad now seems a little silly. Don't you think? It's not as if he didn't know a long time ago that scalpers had all the good seats. We said so after the first pre-sale. It fell on deaf ears, for the most part. This whole issue of unsecure access to the fan club ticket block is a breech of the fan club agreement. I said so when I got my refund. If there are still people out there waiting to get refunds, all I can say is...what's stopping you now?

Of course you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you never asked for a refund, and you bought then resold lousy fan club seats, you more or less agreed what happened was ok. I'm ok, if you're ok with it. I've stopped posting about the issue because I figured it was no longer important to most fans. Now that Mick's board is enraged about this scalper, I'm a little curious to see what happens next, if anything. The truth is in the details. Let's see if anything really happens.

The whole thing reminds me of the policeman in Casablanca who said "I'm shocked!...shocked!...to find gambling going on in here!" ...while literally grabbing his cut ($$) under the table at the same time. Whether the outrage on Mick's board is just for show remains to be seen. If the band isn't just taking their cut and keeping their mouths shut, I'd expect to hear something specific's being done about it, soon. Let's wait and see.

[gldstwmn]

I thought they put a stop to this guy?

[gypsysara]

You could ask "Pix" to ask JT for you. But you may want to PM Trinity, seems "Pix" avoids my posts and deflects my questions about "Pix" being who they are. So you know, "Pix" did create a thread here earlier today but deleted it after I brought my question to the plate again. But at least PIX cant ban me from this board.

[gldstwmn]

Apparently, PIX deletes quite a few of his posts on this board.

[dissention]

Pix isn't exactly the "pix" of the litter when it comes to being honest, y'all should know that by now. Tsk-tsk! ;) Why don't we just ask him about the kick-backs he took from the Knight? Then maybe he'll delete his account instead of his posts! :D

Now...I wonder what alias Miss Mick Balls is posting under...

[gldstwmn]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by dissention
Pix isn't exactly the "pix" of the litter when it comes to being honest, y'all should know that by now. Tsk-tsk! ;) Why don't we just ask him about the kick-backs he took from the Knight? Then maybe he'll delete his account instead of his posts! :D


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That's the truth... not quite the PIXTURE of innocence!
:laugh:

[seeknpeace]

Well, it is quite obvious to ME that JT may be trying to make himself look better in this the last hour, to redeem himself, lest someone who is making a decision were to read Mick's site and take note that all it seems to be is a butt kissing kingdom to one man. WE know that he reads what we say

"How U Doin JT?",

so he has to know that ppl who can make a difference and may be looking into allegations and his bad behaviour are reading his posts, or lack of them.

Thanks JT for answering a burning question that was posed to you around February or March, when the tour is over.

Thanks JT for caring about your good buddy Mick, and his and the bands fans.

Thanks for getting our backs and being a good director of the club and making this whole tour such a delightful experience for us, the fans.

Thanks for taking my hard earned money and banning me from the site because I was questioning and became bitter when you ignored us.

Thanks for not owning your mistakes and for changing history constantly to suit you.

Thanks for changing the fan club rules AT WILL...I love how you tell us in all your communications now how unguaranteed we are...Thanks.

If you are such a "good" friend to Mick and such a fan, if they let you go, would you sue the band? You, the good friend?

Does the band know that YOU sign cds and send them out...tell me, when did you join the band? You are THE man. GAG

[Mystical88]

I'm glad they started doing something about people buying pre sale and with in an hr are on e-bay at 3 to 6 times the face value! It was really bad at the beginning of the tour!!!
3 and 4 th row were going for $000.00 or more! and so the rest of us didn't have a chance at good seats!

[dissention]

Originally posted by Mystical88
I'm glad they started doing something about people buying pre sale and with in an hr are on e-bay at 3 to 6 times the face value! It was really bad at the beginning of the tour!!!
3 and 4 th row were going for $000.00 or more! and so the rest of us didn't have a chance at good seats!

What makes you say they are doing something about it? They aren't and won't; they couldn't care less. The whole club is a sham and no one should delude themselves into thinking something will be done because nothing will.

If Jonathan Todd was laying in the road, dying, and asking for a drink of water, I wouldn't give him a drop. I would let the vultures come and do what they wanted with him. :nod:

[Livia]

What makes you say they are doing something about it? They aren't and won't

Exactly - the latest disclaimer is nothing more than a scare tactic - and as I said earlier in this thread - it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that as long as you wait until the fan club pre-sale is over, and you don't mention in your ebay listing that you're selling fan club tickets, how are you going to get caught???

[gldstwmn]

Really. Has anyone looked at Ebay to see what has gone up for auction from today's presales? minionofnothing are you out there?

[gldstwmn]

Gee, look what I just found:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2188336816&category=16122

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Gee, look what I just found:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2188336816&category=16122

A THOUSAND DOLLARS?! Does this guy smoke crack or just funny cigarettes?! I think minionofnothing was dropped one too many times on his head when he was a wee one. :nod:

PS: Check your email! :)

[Mystical88]

I can't beleive that S@@@! That is so agravating!!!!!!!!!

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by dissention


If Jonathan Todd was laying in the road, dying, and asking for a drink of water, I wouldn't give him a drop. I would let the vultures come and do what they wanted with him. :nod:
LMAO. You are too kind! I'd at least drive over him a few times.... ;)

Pip

[Miranda]

Originally posted by dissention
A THOUSAND DOLLARS?! Does this guy smoke crack or just funny cigarettes?! I think minionofnothing was dropped one too many times on his head when he was a wee one. :nod:

PS: Check your email! :)

No sh*t! These aren't even front row.

Section F is the second section back from the stage. What a lunatic.

Would somebody really pay that?