What is the most underrated Fleetwood Mac song? [Archive]

diamondsnake

07-29-2003, 09:58 AM

Out of all the songs, which one do you really love but gets no credit whatsoever foir being a great song? Here are some of mine:

Welcome to the Room Sara

Honey Hi

Tango in the Night

In the Back of My Mind

Love in Store

Angel

From Stevie's solo albums-

Two Kinds of Love

Docklands

Fall From Grace

I sing for the Things

These seem to be the songs that I love but no one else seems to pay much attention to them. Anyone else have songs like that?

macfan 57

07-29-2003, 10:37 AM

I would say pretty much most of the songs from Future Games, Bare Trees, Penguin, Mystery To Me & Heroes Are Hard To Find are underrated. If I had to pick 1 or 2 songs from those albums, I would pick "The Way I Feel" & "Emerald Eyes". I LOVE both of these songs and I've never heard anyone say virtually anything about them.

ryan8472

07-29-2003, 10:37 AM

A few I think don't get enough credit are...

Isn't It Midnight

Sugar Daddy

That's Alright

Why

Oh Daddy

I think all of these songs deserve a second listening. They're all good tracks that are usually overshadowed by the major hits off of their respective albums.

bootylicous

07-29-2003, 11:38 AM

Fireflies! I don't get why that song didn't make it to the Chain or Greatest Hits of Very Best of.

chiliD

07-29-2003, 12:19 PM

Everything that was released between 1967-1975 and between 1988-1996.

ericktul

07-29-2003, 01:04 PM

This is a tough one.

Crystal, Angel, Straight Back, When I See You Again, and all of LB's songs from Tusk come to mind.

dissention

07-29-2003, 01:12 PM

Tango In the Night (the best song on the album, IMO)
Imperial Hotel (such a fun, cheesy song)
Straight Back (I actually prefer it over Gypsy)
Oh Daddy (my fave Chris song; so great)
In the Back of My Mind (an epic)
Juliet (I adore this song)
Book of Love (I have a soft spot for it)
The Ledge (my favorite Lindsey song from Tusk!)
That's Alright (sing-a-along kinda song; cute)
Love Is Like A River (incomprehensible but a great rocker)
Sable On Blonde (one of the best solo songs)
Say Goodbye (I can never hear enough praise for this!!!)
Family Man (very cool song)

wondergirl9847

07-29-2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Tango In the Night (the best song on the album, IMO)
Straight Back (I actually prefer it over Gypsy)
Book of Love (I have a soft spot for it)
The Ledge (my favorite Lindsey song from Tusk!)
Say Goodbye (I can never hear enough praise for this!!!)
Family Man (very cool song)

Look!!!!! Family Man is gettin' some love!! WOO!! :blob1:

I love Family Man! I agree with those of yours dissention.

I also think that Make Me A Mask, most Danny songs and Save Me from the BTM album are underrated!!

I think WTTRS gets a bad rap too. :cool:

rcb77

07-29-2003, 03:17 PM

"I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "Second Hand News"

The former because it's just 3 minutes of awesome rock 'n roll that gets overlooked whenever Tusk is discussed, and the latter because, while it's a fairly popular song, it's deceptively simple. I think a lot of casual fans and critics miss all the little sounds and parts going on in that song. It seems like there are about 20 ways you can play that song on the guitar with all the harmonics, capoed chords, standard chords and fills. And don't get me started on the use of a naugahide (sp?) chair as percussion. That song is example numero uno of the genius of Mr. Buckingham.

Miranda

07-29-2003, 05:56 PM

Lindsey:
Empire State (everybody hates)
Can't Go Back
Goodbye Angel

Stevie:
Straight Back
Blue Denim

Band:
all pre BN songs!

golden braid

07-29-2003, 06:34 PM

One of my favorites is "Think about Me." It really rocks and I don't think they have ever done it in concert before.

ericktul

07-30-2003, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by trackaghost
Lindsey solo:
ALL of Law And Order - a great album that often gets overlooked in favour of Out Of The Cradle, shame!

I agree. All of Law And Order is great, and Bwana is such a fun way to kick off that album. I've never been a huge fan of Out Of the Cradle, but I love Don't Look Down and Soul Drifter above anything else.

Johnny Stew

07-30-2003, 01:54 PM

"When I See You Again" is woefully underrated, not to mention unfairly maligned.

A few other underrated songs... "Prove Your Love," "Future Games," "Just Crazy Love," "I Don't Want To Know," "I Know I'm Not Wrong," "You And I, part 1," "Paper Doll," and "Freedom."

seteca

07-30-2003, 04:52 PM

I definitely agree about Law & Order....a great album, so many signature-style LB songs. Also, in my opinion, the entire Go Insane album is a masterpiece, and often unfairly overshadowed by OotC.

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

EricBliss12345

07-31-2003, 08:02 AM

I can't belive I never see anybody mention "Morning Rain"! I've looked through posts here, and it's never mentioned. That's probably my favorite Christine song. I just love the jammy, laid back good-time rockin' feel of the track. Her piano work is also really great on this song. Plus, that wah-wah guitar part that kicks the track in is just awesome and really takes the song somewhere cool. Everything about this song, the words, the music, the transitons between parts especially, is just awesome. There's a bit more detail to the arrangement of this song than most other Mac tracks which makes it especially good for me.

"Believe Me" is another great up-tempo rocker and a Mac favorite that doesn't get mentioned much. I also really like "Just Crazy Love" from the same album.

If they had used an in-tune vocal for "Homeward Bound" that would be a favorite as well.

"Heroes Are Hard To Find" was the smash hit that never was. Hands down these are Chris's best and funniest lyrics. This REALLY should have been a huge hit. The vocals on "Come A Little Bit Closer" are just sublime as well.

I also really like "Future Games" which reminds me a lot of Court Of The Crimson King era King Crimson and something that might have been on The Yes Album. The buildup at the end is just phenominal and I love Bob's vocals here. "Lay It All Down" is another awesomely funky, "Fire" style rocker.

Some other tracks I love that appear to be underrated

Trinity
Emerald Eyes
The City
The Ledge
What Makes You Think You're The One?
Never Forget
Angel
Station Man
The Ghost
Think About Me
Thats All For Everyone

And some grossly OVERrated tracks which I either find average, boring, or downright disgusting that all kinds of people like

Gypsy
Sara
Not That Funny
Say That You Love Me
Eyes Of The World
Oh Diane

David R

07-31-2003, 08:37 AM

And some grossly OVERrated tracks which I either find average, boring, or downright disgusting that all kinds of people like

Gypsy
Sara
Not That Funny
Say That You Love Me
Eyes Of The World
Oh Diane

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overrated? average?? boring??? downright disgusting????

I love all those songs except maybe "Oh diane"... "Sara" is great especially the high quality cleaning lady version I just found on Kazza... Mirage Live version of "Not That Funny" is awesome... The Dance version of "Gypsy" is great... and also the Mirage Live "Eyes of the World" is great... you're crazy... :D

cliffdweller

07-31-2003, 10:25 AM

"Save Me a Place"-- L.B.

"Sister's of the Moon"-- S.N.

"Brown Eyes"-- C.M.

Funny that all these songs are on Tusk, the most underrated album ever!

EricBliss12345

08-01-2003, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by David R
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overrated? average?? boring??? downright disgusting????

I love all those songs except maybe "Oh diane"... "Sara" is great especially the high quality cleaning lady version I just found on Kazza... Mirage Live version of "Not That Funny" is awesome... The Dance version of "Gypsy" is great... and also the Mirage Live "Eyes of the World" is great... you're crazy... :D

I don't know, there's just something about "Say That You Love Me" that just sounds really flat to me. That and "Warm Ways" put me right to sleep. I just don't think it's one of her better songs. Same with "Sara." It's one of the only songs on Tusk I skip when I play it the whole way through (along with Beautiful Child and Honey Hi).

You know, I've always listened to "Gypsy" amongst other colossal hit songs on the boxed set. I just bought Mirage the other day and "Gypsy" is much bigger amongst these tracks. I think this is the least impressive of the Mac CD's I've bought so far so "Gypsy" definately stands out more here.

If the live versions of "Not That Funny" aren't enough of a case of musicians not sucking down mass quantities of drugs before they go onstage then I don't know what is. And if Lindsey is sober singing (yelling?) this garbage then maybe he should do more drugs before he goes onstage. :laugh: I actually like the song but I always find myself wishing he'd just shut up so I could enjoy it! :laugh:

chiliD

08-01-2003, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by EricBliss12345
I don't know, there's just something about "Say That You Love Me" that just sounds really flat to me

Well...first off, the word "THAT" is not in the title...which rhymes with "FLAT" and there you have it. So take "THAT" out of the title and maybe the song won't sound so "FLAT". ;)

strandinthewind

08-01-2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by EricBliss12345
If the live versions of "Not That Funny" aren't enough of a case of musicians not sucking down mass quantities of drugs before they go onstage then I don't know what is. And if Lindsey is sober singing (yelling?) this garbage then maybe he should do more drugs before he goes onstage. :laugh: I actually like the song but I always find myself wishing he'd just shut up so I could enjoy it! :laugh:

:laugh: I totally agree - and then there is La Nicks with the Mirage SOTM - which I actually like - but her entire performace appears to me to be a total, albeit great, drug trip.

darklinensuit

08-01-2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
:laugh: I totally agree - and then there is La Nicks with the Mirage SOTM - which I actually like - but her entire performace appears to me to be a total, albeit great, drug trip.

Nonsense. I can make out her distinct words near the end: "AhggdsgdhgjjcvIneverusedrugs!vfdkjlkdlldlhbdbgckarahhh!"
:)

- Jake

strandinthewind

08-01-2003, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Nonsense. I can make out her distinct words near the end: "AhggdsgdhgjjcvIneverusedrugs!vfdkjlkdlldlhbdbgckarahhh!"
:)

- Jake

:laugh: Also, I feel compelled to mention that La Nicks looks like she is having difficulty holding her head up during the "So, we make our choices" part, but then the coke apparently kicks in and she goes into her coked up frenzy in the dramatic ending - punctuated with the listing, spinning, panty revealing shot, which as you all must know by now is my all time fav.!! :cool:

David R

08-01-2003, 12:03 PM

That "Sister Of The Moon" performance has to be my second favorite performance off all time... right behind "Silver Springs" nothing can top that... but "Sister of the Moon" make me laugh... I love it, it's great even if she is drugged up... well I really couldn't tell if she was drugged up or not...

:laugh:

ericktul

08-01-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by EricBliss12345

And some grossly OVERrated tracks which I either find average, boring, or downright disgusting that all kinds of people like

Gypsy
Sara
Not That Funny
Say That You Love Me
Eyes Of The World
Oh Diane

Totally agree with Oh Dianne. It's kinda catchy, but not a great song to me.

The only thing Sara is guilty of, in my eyes, is maybe being a little long and over-indulgent.

Eyes Of the World on the album isn't great, but it is much better live.

Not That Funny...are you referring to the album version, live version or both? I think the album version is too understated, the live version is the perfect context for this angry song. The live version may go long, but the feel is perfect.

Say You Love Me isn't my favorite song, but it's still nice to hear. And I don't know what you may think is wrong with Gypsy. How you can like Angel but not Gypsy is a little confusing, because they sound very similar in a lot of ways, in my opinion.

nix4life

12-03-2006, 08:32 PM

but "Sister of the Moon" make me laugh... I love it, it's great even if she is drugged up... well I really couldn't tell if she was drugged up or not...

:laugh:

yah man
drugged up or not the girl was FIERCE - - -

and if i had to pick one and only one -
it would be chris's "why?" -
why you ask why?? :rolleyes:
well
i didn't know it existed for long time -
and the first time i saw it was on the midnight special clip i found on the internet -
i love it
and then i listened to the recorded version -
and it just sticks with me

and then we started doin it live and it just never ceases to totally captivate the room - by the end everyone is totally into it
but . . .
i guess second and third would have to be caroline and then i would go storms

call me crazy . .

baugh

12-03-2006, 11:24 PM

well for me, I would say:

walk a thin line
brown eyes
honey hi
angel
in the back of my mind

JazmenFlowers

12-03-2006, 11:34 PM

Straight Back
Storms

gldstwmn

12-03-2006, 11:38 PM

Hold Me
That's All For Everyone
That's Alright
Isn't It Midnight
Hard Feelings
Bleed To Love Her
Destiny Rules

aleuzzi

12-03-2006, 11:41 PM

I'd say Bob Welch's "Future Games" is one of the most grossly underrated songs in all of rock music.

Christine's "Sugar Daddy" is killer, a great tune that, for some reason, doesn't get its due.

Here's a small list of underrated Mac tunes.

"Winds of Change" (from Time)
"Prove Your Love" (from Heroes)
"Dust" (from Bare Trees)
"Remember Me" (from Penguin)
"Honey Hi," "Brown Eyes," and "Angel" from Tusk

All songs from Kiln House

A lot of people have mentioned Lindsey's songs from Tusk, but I think his material on that album has received its due as eccentric genius...

nix4life

12-04-2006, 01:43 AM

I'd say Bob Welch's "Future Games" is one of the most grossly underrated songs in all of rock music...

grossly underrated album too
just a great track list
morning rain
woman of 1000
lay it all down
etc etc

macfan 57

12-04-2006, 06:43 AM

I'd say every one of their songs from 1971-1974 is underrated.

elie

12-04-2006, 08:15 AM

Nice thread :)

Stevie:
Angel
Storms
Fireflies (one of my ultimate favorite songs by FM)

Lindsey:
I know I 'm Not Wrong
What makes you think you 're the one

Christine:
Brown Eyes
Honey Hi

Strangely enough, most of them are from Tusk:angel:

golddustwoman77

12-04-2006, 03:01 PM

Here are some of the Mac's most underrated songs, IMO:

"I Don't Want to Know"--- Always gets slammed because it took the place of Silver Springs, and people think it is too cutesy. They overlook the melody and the amazing harmony that makes the song great.

"Silver Springs"--- This is a wonderfully haunting song that didn't get the credit it was due until The Dance which was nineteen years later. Totally unfair for it to be shelved for that long.

"Sister of the Moon" I think this is one of Stevie's best songs. It is dark, mysterious, and has great lyrics, yet it is rarely talked about or played on tour.

"The Ledge" I think this song is one of Lindsey's most innovative, "a head of its time" songs. It is one of a kind!

"Never Make Me Cry" This is one of Christine's most beautiful, heartfelt songs. A true gem on Tusk.

Villavic

12-05-2006, 06:44 PM

I can't say the "most", but Storms comes to my mind. Not in terms of fans, cause we all knew deeply the mac works. But in general, this song could have been a hit. And (at least in Peru) nobody knows this song, and it's never played on the radio

amber

12-05-2006, 07:15 PM

carrie721

12-05-2006, 07:31 PM

It's already been mentioned, but I believe That's Alright is the secret portal of Stevie's voice change from "before" to "after". Do you know what I mean? And Gypsy? Is "after" the portal. Spooky, no? Same album...other side of the portal...ooooo....ooooo
Personally Angel is my favorite underrated song. That's alright second, Kind of Woman third. Today.

i know what you mean ... that's alright still has her early clarity, whereas gypsy has a different, older, more WH texture.

for me it's that alright, angel, storms, never forget.

TheWILDheart

12-06-2006, 05:47 PM

Blue Letter, Angel and That's Allright are, for me, the most underrated Fleetwood Mac songs. Stevie wise I'd say No Spoken Word, Doing the Best I Can and for some reason Greta and Blue Denim seem to take a beating sometimes and I love both of those.

goldustsongbird

12-06-2006, 07:15 PM

Here are some of the Mac's most underrated songs, IMO:

"Sister of the Moon" I think this is one of Stevie's best songs. It is dark, mysterious, and has great lyrics, yet it is rarely talked about or played on tour.

"The Ledge" I think this song is one of Lindsey's most innovative, "a head of its time" songs. It is one of a kind!

"Never Make Me Cry" This is one of Christine's most beautiful, heartfelt songs. A true gem on Tusk.

I can't say the "most", but Storms comes to my mind. Not in terms of fans, cause we all knew deeply the mac works. But in general, this song could have been a hit. And (at least in Peru) nobody knows this song, and it's never played on the radio

I think Tusk is a generally underrated album. Not by fans, but obviously Tusk didn't live up to the Rumours II expectation. It took me awhile to warm up to the album, but now I'd even place it ahead of Rumours as my favourite.

I aboslutely love Never Make Me Cry. Honey Hi, too.

krazy4stevie

12-07-2006, 05:20 AM

Lindsey Buckingham:
Second Hand News
What Makes You Think You're The One
The Ledge
Book Of Love (I simply adore this song)

Christine McVie:
Sugar Daddy
Isn't It Midnight
Love In Store

Stevie Nicks:
Sisters Of The Moon
Crystal

Peestie

12-07-2006, 10:40 AM

Lindsey Buckingham:
Book Of Love (I simply adore this song)

Me too. I think it's a great Lindsey song. One of his most overlooked. Possibly the most overlooked. Second Hand News I agree with as well. For the opening track on Rumours it seems strangely unmentioned.

aleuzzi

12-07-2006, 04:05 PM

i know what you mean ... that's alright still has her early clarity, whereas gypsy has a different, older, more WH texture.

Maybe this is the case because "That's Alright" is an older song, recorded in demo-form years before it was used on "Mirage," whereas "Gypsy" seems to have been written for the sessions.

She was already used to singing the former and could, therefore, aproach the old style of singing. ...I don't know if this makes any sense. But I too hear a difference in vocal attack between those songs.

carrie721

12-07-2006, 04:15 PM

Maybe this is the case because "That's Alright" is an older song, recorded in demo-form years before it was used on "Mirage," whereas "Gypsy" seems to have been written for the sessions.

She was already used to singing the former and could, therefore, aproach the old style of singing. ...I don't know if this makes any sense. But I too hear a difference in vocal attack between those songs.

it's possible. her voice is so beautiful on that track ... as it was on that "sleeping angel" demo done with FM around the same time. she did several gypsy demos with tom petty, perhaps that affected the way she sang it on the final take? hmm.

Dreamz19

12-29-2006, 01:02 PM

I really like this thread :)

I agree with the person that said anything from 1971-1974 is underrated. There was a ton of good stuff during that time. All of "Time" seems underrated. Most people don't even give it a chance it.

If I am just picking the Rumors line-up songs I would pick these based on the fact that causal fans don't mention these songs and I don't see much love for them on fan boards either.

Lindsey

Blue Letter
Family Man ( Don't find to many fans of this one)
Empire State ( I love this song but most people seem to hate it)
*Most of Tusk*
The Ledge
That's All For Everyone
Walk a Thin Line
I know I'm Not Wrong
What Makes You Think Your the One

Christine

Warm Ways (I was on another board recently and was shocked at how many said they hated this song.)
Honey Hi *I loved every single Chris song on Tusk*
Never Forget
Never Make Me Cry
Isn't it Midnight
Only Over You
Hollywood
Oh Daddy

Stevie

I Don't Want to Know
Straight Back
That's Alright
When I See You Again (Another one that I rarely see get ANY love. I like this song. It grew on me.)
Destiny Rules

Dreamz19

12-29-2006, 01:19 PM

And some grossly OVERrated tracks which I either find average, boring, or downright disgusting that all kinds of people like

Gypsy
Sara
Not That Funny
Say That You Love Me
Eyes Of The World
Oh Diane

I like all of those songs except "Oh Diane." I wouldn't have considered "Not That Funny" and "Eyes Of The World" overrated when it comes to all kinds of people (causal listeners & more hardcore fans etc). I guess I just have never really seen causal fans say they love those songs like "Landslide" "Go Your Own Way" "Dreams" "Rhiannon" and "Say You Love Me."

For me I would put "Landslide" at the top of the list for " grossly overrated." I don't hate the song but people I know (even those who either don't like FM much or don't know a lot of their songs) like it. It was never a real favorite of mine.

Dreamz19

12-29-2006, 01:32 PM

I think Tusk is a generally underrated album. Not by fans, but obviously Tusk didn't live up to the Rumours II expectation. It took me awhile to warm up to the album, but now I'd even place it ahead of Rumours as my favourite.

I aboslutely love Never Make Me Cry. Honey Hi, too.

"Tusk" is without a doubt underrated when it comes to those who liked FM because of "The White Album" and "Rumours." The very first time I heard "Tusk" I liked it immediately, esp Christine and Lindsey's songs. I loved just about every single song on the CD. I didn't like all of "Rumours" and TWA that quick, although there were songs on both albums I had really loved. For me "Rumours" also comes after "Tusk."

And "Honey Hi" is such a GREAT song. I have heard some say that was one of the worst "Tusk" songs but I really adore it.