Another studio album? [Archive]

WednesdaysChild

07-15-2003, 01:38 PM

I think they should definitely do another studio album but not wait 6 years like they did after the Dance. Too much lag time, plus them doing another album in the near future would show that they are one cohesive unit, dedicated to making great music again. Not that they didn't do this for the Dance and SYW, but it seems like they only reunited both times because of Lindsey's solo stuff.

I would not want to see a live album from this tour, because I'm disappointed (as are most TRUE fans) that they didn't do much of the new album. There were so many good songs that were dropped or not done at all (RTTG, DR, Miranda, etc etc etc). If you want a live album, listen to the Dance--it's got Christine too! LOL

Just my thoughts...:cool:

MacFan03

07-15-2003, 03:41 PM

I haven't watched THE DANCE in several years, and I went out and bought the DVD last night to replace my old VHS copy.

I can't say how much I enjoyed the DVD, and it was nice to get reaquainted with THE DANCE, which truly was a phenomenal performace. The new songs all fit nicely with the classics, and quite impressively I might add. (Why wasn't "Sweet Girl" ever put to tape???)

I wish "Gypsy" had been left off the set list and replaced with something like "Seven Wonders" or even "Sara", which could have been done just especially for the filming of the concert. ("Gypsy" continues to fall flat for me in a live setting, then and now...the only highlight being Lindsey's excellent guitar work at the end.) I wouldn't have minded hearing "Never Going Back Again" done here as well as something like "Second Hand News", after all, they were celebrating the 20th Anniversary of RUMOURS.

THE DANCE truly outperforms the Eagles' HELL FREEZES OVER. The Eagles phoned it in for that performance, as cold and heartless as anything I've seen done by a music group. What does everyone else think?

chiliD

07-15-2003, 03:57 PM

Sure, more albums!

I'd be ok with

Twist Of Fate
Gift Of Screws
Try For The Sun
Down On Rodeo

being included, but I really would like to hear NEW material, even one or two (preferably even MORE) "Buckingham/Nicks" co-written material, too.

originally posted by MacFan03
I wouldn't have minded hearing "Never Going Back Again" done here as well as something like "Second Hand News", after all, they were celebrating the 20th Anniversary of RUMOURS.

Gee, why didn't they just play the whole friggin' album? {he said, sarcastically as possible} Don't they hammer that overrated album ENOUGH? All the hype about this being a "new era of Fleetwood Mac" and they STILL play 3/4 of the album in concert...it would be nice if they played 3/4 of their NEW material in concert, maybe the concert-goers will be so impressed that the NEW album would sell a bit better...but, no, they cop-out and virtually are promoting "Rumours" for the 25th year in a row. Heard it, heard it again, and again, and again...gimme new material.

gldstwmn

07-15-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by chiliD
Sure, more albums!

I'd be ok with

Twist Of Fate
Gift Of Screws
Try For The Sun
Down On Rodeo

being included, but I really would like to hear NEW material, even one or two (preferably even MORE) "Buckingham/Nicks" co-written material, too.

I was thinking the same thing. But when was the last time B/N actually wrote a song together? Probably not since The Chain?

MacFan03

07-15-2003, 05:27 PM

chiliD

07-15-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I was thinking the same thing. But when was the last time B/N actually wrote a song together? Probably not since The Chain?

There are a couple of songs co-credited on the Buckingham Nicks album...and if Lindsey's going to go on record regarding this new album "going back to what Stevie & I did prior to joining the band" type statements, then a co-write is almost MANDATORY, I would think.

[quote]Originally posted by MacFan03
I'm hoping that when I see them again on the second leg that newer songs will have been added: "Thrown Down", "Bleed To Love Her", "Illume"---perhaps done acoustically, "Miranda" could replace "Come", so on and so forth. Plus, time to drop "Beautiful Child" in favor of "Seven Wonders" and add "Everybody Finds Out" as well.

Oh, yeah...thanks for the reminder:

Replace Stand Back with Everybody Finds Out

I like Seven Wonders, but I think their dusting off Beautiful Child for this tour has been a great idea...it could stand to stay in the set for a while.

[quote]Originally posted by MacFan03
The Eagles phoned it in for that performance, as cold and heartless as anything I've seen done by a music group.

Kind of my take on the Eagles in general (live, that is)...even as far back as the Hotel California tour...the "coldest", "blandest" concert I've ever seen.

gldstwmn

07-15-2003, 07:35 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chiliD
[B]There are a couple of songs co-credited on the Buckingham Nicks album...and if Lindsey's going to go on record regarding this new album "going back to what Stevie & I did prior to joining the band" type statements, then a co-write is almost MANDATORY, I would think.

I hope you're right.

flyfirefly

07-16-2003, 12:21 AM

My impression has been that everyone else (McVie, Fleetwood, Buckingham) are completely into making another album, but Stevie is hesitant.

If she decides to do a solo album...I don't foresee another Fleetwood Mac album. We're not talking about of tons of time anymore.

MacFan03

07-16-2003, 07:40 AM

Stevie would be foolish to do another solo record. She is able to gain ten times the public attention while in the Mac, plus, in the long run, people are more interested in seeing her with the entire band than solo. Stevie always says she's a "big believer" in FM, so it's time for her to prove it.

joe

07-16-2003, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by chiliD
Gee, why didn't they just play the whole friggin' album? {he said, sarcastically as possible} Don't they hammer that overrated album ENOUGH? All the hype about this being a "new era of Fleetwood Mac" and they STILL play 3/4 of the album in concert...it would be nice if they played 3/4 of their NEW material in concert, maybe the concert-goers will be so impressed that the NEW album would sell a bit better...but, no, they cop-out and virtually are promoting "Rumours" for the 25th year in a row. Heard it, heard it again, and again, and again...gimme new material.

chiliD, I completely agree. They are coming back to the East Coast in September and i actually don't think i'm going to go...I never thought i'd opt to NOT go to a FM concert....As it is, i saw them 3 times in May so i don't think i want to spend the money....Plus, as you just said, they do 3/4 (or close to it) of the Rumours album in concert and after 15 years of seeing them in concert i'm a little tired of it. I don't think some of the songs are holding up anymore especially vocally. I think they feel compelled to continue doing the phenomenon of Rumours in concert cause they want to hold a substantial audience. But that just proves to me that they don't have as much confidence in their other work as they claim.

I know i'll get blasted for my opinion so i'll cover myself here....yeah yeah yeah i know there are new fans that will want and expect to hear those Rumours songs as well as older fans but lets be realistic here people...they can't change the setlist a bit from show to show?

When i heard that they were rehearsing Monday Morning and (i think) Storms i was blown away. I was really excited about the upcoming concerts. Then, when i heard that they performed RTTG and Destiny Rules i was impressed. However, when the 2 aforementioned songs never cemented in the final setlist and then the other 2 songs were dropped and replaced with yet another Rumours song i was flabbergasted! My excitement level went down a few notches and i never really regained it.

I guess maybe complaining about it is stupid because obviously they're selling tickets to the shows and are doing well. so, what do i know?!

I think one of the reasons that Stevie seems lackluster (to me-opinion people!) on these shows is because of the fact that she's most likely on autopilot cause she's drained those same songs out by doing them live over and over and over again. If some newer or different older songs were performed i think it might initiate some enthusiasm.

joe

07-16-2003, 08:19 AM

now....why don't i try responding to the original post!!!

I would love to see a new studio album but this time i would really like it to be in the vein of the albums of the 70's. I want the album to come out of the experiences the band is having together. In other words, i don't any older treasures (although i love them) brought to light, i don't want Lindsey's stuff done and then Stevie just comes in and adds her vocal...I think again that if they, as Lindsey claims, are getting back to what he and Stevie were doing pre-FM then the two of them should be collaborating a bit more together. I really would love to see them pen a few songs together and do a few duets like Frozen Love.

Don't get me wrong, i love the new album but this is just what i would like to see happen for the next album. I think the album will have a closer to the heart, organic type of feel if they ALL work on it together from beginning to end.

MacFan03

07-16-2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by joe

When i heard that they were rehearsing Monday Morning and (i think) Storms i was blown away. I was really excited about the upcoming concerts. [/B]

Joe---It's my belief now that the shows on the second leg should open up with "Monday Morning." It's time for "The Chain" to move out of that spot. "MM" would be a fantastic opener.

As for the overabundance of RUMOURS material, I'm hoping "Don't Stop" is dropped from the second leg set list. I wouldn't mind seeing "The Chain" gone, either---it just doesn't feel right without Christine and it makes me think I'm still watching THE DANCE tour.

Even if they drop just those two RUMOURS songs, the set could be much more dynamic. Let's face it, GYOW, GDW, and Dreams are not going anywhere!

strandinthewind

07-16-2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by MacFan03
Stevie always says she's a "big believer" in FM, so it's time for her to prove it.

Many, if not most, would correctly argue that La Nicks' participation in this record is more than enough proof of her commitment to FM. Moreover, as has been argues countless times on this board, it is difficult to demonstrate to any significant degree that she has ever been anything but committed to FM. There is the argument that her TITN material was weak because she put everything good into her solo record. I do not buy that argument because La Nicks had no reason to believe FM was anything but broken up after Mirage. So, for what would she have been saving her material. Moreoever, she has consistently said FM has and had first access to all of her material, the remains of which go to her solo records. Thus, I conclude she has always been dedicated to FM and will be in the future.

Note and disclaimer: In an attempt to avoid WWIV, I am talking solely about La Nicks and make no comment on any other band member's commitment, etc.

Back to the topic at hand - I think they ought to replace the following:

Come - Miranda

Big Love - Frozen Love

Beautiful Child - Crying in the Night

Peacekeeper - Running Through the Garden

World Turning - Everybody Finds Out

Having said that, my dream set lists changes hourly - and can't they play for one more hour :laugh:

My $0.02

WednesdaysChild

07-16-2003, 09:32 AM

Joe said something about Stevie's music being lackluster because of overplaying the same songs... I agree. When you go to solo show, you still hear Dreams, Rhiannon, Landslide, etc. When you go to an FM show you hear those songs obviously because they are FM songs. I think Stevie should dust off some more "golden oldies" a la Beautiful Child and do those with FM (even bring back Sara, if they had to). I've only been to one FM show and I will be going again on the second leg just so I can keep seeing them. Seeing Stevie for Enchanted and TISL were great and I'm glad she mixed up the songs and did a lot of old/obscure songs...but with the Mac, it's like she gave up.

I want to hear Twisted, Storms, Angel (sharing a mike with Lindsey!), etc... I love the "classics" but I can hear them anytime on my CDs...I want a "concert" experience.

I love all of them, but they need some constructive criticism.

joe

07-16-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
Joe said something about Stevie's music being lackluster because of overplaying the same songs... I agree. When you go to solo show, you still hear Dreams, Rhiannon, Landslide, etc. When you go to an FM show you hear those songs obviously because they are FM songs. I think Stevie should dust off some more "golden oldies" a la Beautiful Child and do those with FM (even bring back Sara, if they had to)....Seeing Stevie for Enchanted and TISL were great and I'm glad she mixed up the songs and did a lot of old/obscure songs...but with the Mac, it's like she gave up.

Exactly....i was just recently listening to an Enchanted show and it was great not only because i remember her being really upbeat and happy on that tour when i saw her but because of that neat little interlude she did with Garbo, Rose Garden, After the Glitter Fades and Sleeping Angel...I thought that little piece right there made the show....I think that worked out great and it would great if she and FM could do that continually on other tours....why do they feel that because they deviate once that it's the only time they can do it when the majority of the times it works out in favor?

I think the addition of Beautiful Child to this tour was a wise choice as far as Stevie's selections. I really enjoyed that.

cliffdweller

07-16-2003, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by joe
now....why don't i try responding to the original post!!!

I would love to see a new studio album but this time i would really like it to be in the vein of the albums of the 70's. I want the album to come out of the experiences the band is having together. In other words, i don't any older treasures (although i love them) brought to light, i don't want Lindsey's stuff done and then Stevie just comes in and adds her vocal...I think again that if they, as Lindsey claims, are getting back to what he and Stevie were doing pre-FM then the two of them should be collaborating a bit more together. I really would love to see them pen a few songs together and do a few duets like Frozen Love.

Don't get me wrong, i love the new album but this is just what i would like to see happen for the next album. I think the album will have a closer to the heart, organic type of feel if they ALL work on it together from beginning to end.

Yeah, I wonder if they can put their egos away long enough to compose a few songs together. They're such personal (and different) songwriters it's doubtful that they can pull off a colaboration but I would love to see it. I would also love to hear some B/N material on the second leg of the tour but of course it'll never happen.

sulamith

07-16-2003, 10:23 AM

I think it is funny that Lindsey says he'd like to get Stevie over to his studio at his house and do some writing form the ground up. As hopeful as I am about that, i just don't see it happening, at least not there, not like that.

The only way it could happen is if there is once again that "safe environment" of a rented house that is neutral territory. Stevie requires a certain amount of trappings and space in order to feel creative, and I find it beyond hilarious to think Stevie is going to haul herself and all her Stevieness over to Lindsey's house. There just won't be enough room for that, even in a 1200 square foot space, and I highly doubt Kristen will be willing to give up any of her 8000 square feet in the house so Stevie can feel at home.

Although, that could in itself cause one hell of a song to be written! LMAO!!

Besides, they have both said they are currently writing, so if a new CD gets made, it will be in the same style they have always worked, save for maybe one or two things they may need to fill it out.

I am excited about what they may currently be writing about, really.

I think they can indeed produce another CD, but I think LB isn't taking everything into consideration where Stevie is concerned.

-Sharon

cliffdweller

07-16-2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by sulamith
and I find it beyond hilarious to think Stevie is going to haul herself and all her Stevieness over to Lindsey's house.

LMAO!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

WednesdaysChild

07-16-2003, 11:18 AM

What do you guys think about Stevie vs. Kristen? Do you think there's a lot of animosity or anything? Did anyone read the Liz Smith article where she hangs out with the Buckinghams? Kristen sounded...okay...I hate to bash her, since I don't really know her/about her...but I don't know...she seems to like being married to a rock star a LOT--8000 sq ft house, huge diamond necklace for mothers day, etc etc.

I hope she really loves him and isn't like, "all that I want is someone to take care of me...I'm not asking for love...just a little bit of sympathy" or a "Sugar Daddy." :p

sulamith

07-16-2003, 01:34 PM

Nobody really knows, but one thing's for sure........

time will tell, won't it?

-Sharon

CarneVaca

07-16-2003, 02:02 PM

I will put money on this: Lindsey and Stevie will not get together to write songs. Never going to happen. The dynamic between those two simply doesn't allow it. If there is another FM album, the writing process will happen as it has in the past. They write separately and bring the songs to the studio. Lindsey has expressed a lot of wishful thinking lately. I have to wonder just how in touch with reality he is.

:distress:

Johnny Stew

07-16-2003, 02:45 PM

In the case of "Frozen Love"... the only song on which Stevie & Lindsey, alone, share co-writing credits... Stevie wrote lyrics for music Lindsey was working on.
(For "The Chain," Stevie's previously written lyrics were put to the music written by Lindsey, et al.)

In fact, that's almost always been the case when Stevie shares a co-writing credit with someone... the lyrics are hers, and the music is theirs, with a little bit of collaborating to make the two parts mesh comfortably.

If Stevie & Lindsey were to collaborate on new songs for a future album, I imagine that's pretty much what would happen again.
Lindsey would give Stevie music he's working on, she'd write lyrics to it, and then they'd set upon making the entire thing a cohesive work.

Which would definitely be more "from the ground up," than their work on 'Say You Will.'

DownOnRodeo

07-16-2003, 07:43 PM

I believe the new studio album would be so good ... if you listen to Not Make Believe and No Limit, I think that's a taste of the latest sound Lindsey has got. Very vibrant vocals, especially, compared to GOS. A whole album of new material done like this would do so well.

I agree about this all coming down to Stevie. But for all we know, she and Kristen could get on famously! Unlikely, I know, yet let's face it... they are 'grown adults' after all. :shrug:

Sugar

07-16-2003, 08:16 PM

Lindsey spoke a lot about another FM album right after SYW come out, but lately he seems to be backing away from it with "Maybe we will" and "I don't want to promise anything", so I think it's looking less and less likely.

Of course stranger things have happened...

Is it me or did Carne and Johnny Stew just AGREE on something???:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

WednesdaysChild

07-16-2003, 08:47 PM

Do you think that maybe Stevie and Lindsey would go into a studio by themselves and put out an album without Mick and John? Like BN pt. 2? I wonder what is making Lindsey back away from another studio album...too many other musicians or trouble with Stevie?

sulamith

07-16-2003, 09:46 PM

Hmmmmmmm.........maybe he's got somebody nagging at him constantly.....

"You should spend more time with me"
"You never do anything with us as a family"
"You're gone too much"
"You talk about Stevie too much"
"You act like you'd rather be with them than me"
"Your fans are sickos"
"You don't love me anymore"

Blah, blah, blah......

I'd be willing to bet money at least one of these have fallen on LB's ears in the last few weeks!

WednesdaysChild

07-16-2003, 10:07 PM

Maybe so...I wouldn't doubt it!

John Run

07-16-2003, 10:14 PM

Lindsey has not backed away in any recent interview fromt he idea of a solo album. It has been a pretty constant, "I would like to do another album after the tour."

This idea of him backing away is just typical Fleetwood Mac fan paranoia and reading into every word and symantic change from interview to interview.

Let them finish this tour. Probably wind up at the end of the year. Take 6 months to a year off and then see where they are. You are looking at 12-18 months from now before they would even possibly begin another project.

Johnny Stew

07-16-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
I agree about this all coming down to Stevie. But for all we know, she and Kristen could get on famously! Unlikely, I know, yet let's face it... they are 'grown adults' after all. :shrug: Well, Mick has stated several times now that Stevie and his wife, Lynn, have become the closest of friends... so I don't see why things would be any different between Stevie and Kristen.

Consider this: Stevie & Sara Recor were best friends in the '70s, and after Mick's affair with Stevie, he took up with Sara... yet Stevie & Sara have remained friends ever since, to the point that Sara has even lived in Stevie's house, and has recorded and toured with Stevie.

Her relationship with Lindsey may be a continually inspiring muse for Stevie, but I believe she truly got over him a lonnnnng time ago.
And I seriously doubt Stevie has any reason to view Kristen as a threat at this point... twenty-seven years after she and Lindsey broke up.

I think if the tour goes well, and they all come off the road still enthusiastic about working with each other, then we'll see another new Fleetwood Mac album with these four people.
But I'd still bet that Stevie records a solo album in the down-time.

WednesdaysChild

07-16-2003, 10:30 PM

What about Kristen seeing Stevie as a threat? That's what I meant in my original question... :confused:

EnchantedStorms

07-16-2003, 10:32 PM

I don't think Stevie feels "threatened" by Kristen...more like, the other way around.:D

~Angela~

WednesdaysChild

07-16-2003, 10:33 PM

Exactly!

Johnny Stew

07-16-2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Sugar
Is it me or did Carne and Johnny Stew just AGREE on something???:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: We do actually agree from time to time... especially on politics, of all things!

However we're also very strong-willed and opinionated people, so we're bound to butt heads from time to time. :)
But I think as long as we respect each other's opinions, we'll be able to record another album together in the fu.... oh, wait, who was I talking about again? :laugh:

DownOnRodeo

07-17-2003, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
We do actually agree from time to time... especially on politics, of all things!

However we're also very strong-willed and opinionated people, so we're bound to butt heads from time to time. :)
But I think as long as we respect each other's opinions, we'll be able to record another album together in the fu.... oh, wait, who was I talking about again? :laugh:
lol Good one JS :laugh:

Sugar

07-17-2003, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by John Run
Lindsey has not backed away in any recent interview fromt he idea of a solo album. It has been a pretty constant, "I would like to do another album after the tour."

This idea of him backing away is just typical Fleetwood Mac fan paranoia and reading into every word and symantic change from interview to interview.

Let them finish this tour. Probably wind up at the end of the year. Take 6 months to a year off and then see where they are. You are looking at 12-18 months from now before they would even possibly begin another project.

This is the quote I was thinking of, and it was from the fan club, not an article per se:

At this point I wouldn’t want to say for sure that Fleetwood Mac is going to do another album. I am hoping that they do, in which case that material would probably or some of it at least, would probably go on a subsequent Fleetwood Mac album. If that doesn’t happen then absolutely it would go on a solo album of mine, it’s just too early to tell how all this is going to work out, you know; so in any case there is a lot of material there and I am actually starting to write some new material as well, so we are looking ahead to the future one way or another.

And perhaps I misspoke--er--typed...he seems just as gung ho as ever. It's the CERTAINTY of another FM album that I think he's backing away from.

Paranoia??? Not this ledgie...I don't really care if the next album is FM or Lindsey solo. So either way I'm gonna get my wish!
:nod:

Sugar

07-17-2003, 07:09 AM

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'll be first in line to buy that album!:cool:

CarneVaca

07-17-2003, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Sugar
Of course stranger things have happened...

Is it me or did Carne and Johnny Stew just AGREE on something???:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Strictly unintentional. ;)

It's quite all right. Johnny and I have agreed before.

CarneVaca

07-17-2003, 08:22 AM

sulamith

07-17-2003, 09:41 AM

I have to agree that Stevie is the wild card in all of this. For some reason, she seems to be holding back emtionally on the Tour. I know there are any number of reasons, which have been debated hotly, as to just why, but they point is, she *is* acting rather detached on stage and is not giving many interviews.

Possilby Lindsey senses this, as he knows her verey well, and he could just be giving her a bit of breathing room....for now. He may just get his way in the end if he doesn't pressure her too much.

No matter how one feels about what may or may not be going on behind the scenes, I think most everyone would have to admit that working so closely with Lindsey is "hard on her heart" at times. For this reason, she may feel the need to retreat into herself when it is over, and work on something that is totally hers. After all, the guys all have families to come home to in the end.

I hope she does keep her focus solely on FM, that would be great, but I understand if she doesn't.

Now, Johnny, I have to adress this "twenty-seven years ago" thing! haha! It would be one thing if it had ended right then and there, but they have both as much as said it didn't. There was evidently just enough bed-hopping going on to keep them emotionally entangled well into the eighties. Lindsey finally got enough of the "together but apart" stuff and left because it was driving him crazy. His "survival move" you know! haha!!

-Sharon

WednesdaysChild

07-17-2003, 09:54 AM

I hope Lindsey does give Stevie some space, so she doesn't pull a Christine and ditch the rest of the tour.

Sharon, nice nod to "Violet and Blue" with the "hard on her heart" :)

strandinthewind

07-17-2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by sulamith
Now, Johnny, I have to adress this "twenty-seven years ago" thing! haha! It would be one thing if it had ended right then and there, but they have both as much as said it didn't. There was evidently just enough bed-hopping going on to keep them emotionally entangled well into the eighties. Lindsey finally got enough of the "together but apart" stuff and left because it was driving him crazy. His "survival move" you know! haha!!

-Sharon

Not to mention the 1997-98 line from Thrown Down which she says is about LB that goes "he fell for her again, she watched it happen, everyday, day by day, but more important, night by night." HMMMM MMMMMMM! :laugh: Not to mention Destiny Rules (2001) and, possibly, Everybody Finds Out.

All of this supports my conspiracy theory perhaps there is more to all of this than meets the eye. :laugh:

Les

07-17-2003, 10:11 AM

I think the scenario of Stevie vs. Kristen or vice versa is fantasy. I don't have the slightest reason to dislike Kristen, from what I've seen of her, and I hate to see the constant jabs taken at her.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

WednesdaysChild

07-17-2003, 10:12 AM

Sorry, I posted this, then I saw Les's post...

I find it interesting if they did hook up while on the Dance tour since Lindsey was dating Kristen at this point and she got pregnant with Will...I've heard other fans say she did it on purpose (got pregnant, that is), but I don't know...I'd really like to believe that Kristen is a nice person--so I will. I just wonder what it's like to be around your husband's ex-lover/current bandmate for weeks on end. It must be hard...I don't think they fight or anything, but i'm curious as to what Kristen is going through.

Come on now...Destiny Rules is about Bob Dylan, hahahah...or Mick... :laugh:

EFO is about Mick, right? That's what I've heard.

But I wouldn't be surprised if any/all of them are about Lindsey. There have been other men in Stevie's life, yet you never hear anyone say, "Oh that song is DEFINITELY about Joe Walsh, Waddy, etc." LOL

wondergirl9847

07-17-2003, 10:33 AM

I, like Les, like Kristen, she seemed very down to earth and nice on LB's BTM. I've heard some not so nice things about her reaction to fans, but it's all about perspective. JUST like with the reviews coming down the pipe about the tour...one person says Stevie was HORRIBLE, another says she was TERRIFIC!!! So, who to believe? Until Kristen does something bad that I see with my own eyes, I will continue to like her.

CarneVaca

07-17-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Les
I think the scenario of Stevie vs. Kristen or vice versa is fantasy. I don't have the slightest reason to dislike Kristen, from what I've seen of her, and I hate to see the constant jabs taken at her.

Well said.

Strand, good point on the verse in Thrown Down. Not sure it's meant to be taken literally though.

It's also quite possible that Lindsey is only part of a composite that she made up for the song. I know songwriters who use that technique all the time. Sometimes in the context of a particular song, there's only a line or two about a specific person that is literal. Then you have to start thinking of others to be able to finish the story. I've done that in short stories too. That's the beauty of creating.

strandinthewind

07-17-2003, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Well said.

Strand, good point on the verse in Thrown Down. Not sure it's meant to be taken literally though.

It's also quite possible that Lindsey is only part of a composite that she made up for the song. I know songwriters who use that technique all the time. Sometimes in the context of a particular song, there's only a line or two about a specific person that is literal. Then you have to start thinking of others to be able to finish the story. I've done that in short stories too. That's the beauty of creating.

I know what you mean. In my little, tortured, Stevie/FM obsessed mind :laugh: , I have thought that phrase "he fell for her again, she watched it happen, everyday, day by day, but more important, night by night" could mean that she saw LB falling for her music and trusting her and each other again and that every night, they played it up for the audience, which was why it was more important "night by night." That kind of goes along with she can dedicate her pain to him (presumably LB) by writing songs about it, etc., and it all being so overwhelming.

I think La Nicks often cleverly uses general phrases that can have two distinct meanings. A good example would be "the lonliness of a one night stand is hard to take" - For like 17 years, I thought that was about sleeping around. Then, in 1998, she reveals it is not about that at all and she was talking about how it was hard to let go of the audience's adulation after a concert.

WednesdaysChild

07-17-2003, 10:46 AM

What has she said/done to the fans?

I think we have to remember that Kristen is fairly new to the Mac stuff, and might not be used to hundreds of people trying to get a glimpse of her husband. She lived a pretty obscure life before meeting Lindsey...I can't find ANYTHING about her. I don't blame her for maybe being a little mean to the fans, especially if they are infringing on her/her children's personal space. She's not the star here.

sulamith

07-17-2003, 10:58 AM

Well, I wasn't taking any jabs at anybody in my post, and I am addressing the original question in the OP.
So here's some regularly scheduled programming for ya:

Strandie, as for what her songs are about, yes I think there is quite alot of composite stuff happening.

I also find it interesting that in a recent article Lindsey was quoted as saying that there were songs of Stevie's that for a long time he thought were abouth him, only to find out later they weren't or they were a composite...........

Well, I ask you, whay would he think that?

I mean, there has to be a reason he thinks that. His feeling that it is HAS to be based on some real event between them.

Now, I'm mainly talking about the 80's. I'm not even going to go there right now as far as The Dance is concerned, because that is really a different matter.

In short, to write off their relationship as having eneded 27 years ago when it obviously didn't, is causing alot of the story to be missed.

-Sharon

sulamith

07-17-2003, 11:05 AM

Wednesday's Child, go read the "Chicago tonight" thread on the buckinghamnicks.net board in the FM forum. Nancy has a nice first-hand account of what happened.
;)!

-Sharon

WednesdaysChild

07-17-2003, 11:27 AM

Thanks so much Sharon!!! WOW--totally fantastic. I agree with a lot of the comments on that board...along with my own ideas posted here. I think it's tough to be a spouse of someone famous...Stevie herself has said that many a time...:nod:

CarneVaca

07-17-2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
I don't blame her for maybe being a little mean to the fans, especially if they are infringing on her/her children's personal space. She's not the star here.

When was she mean to fans?

WednesdaysChild

07-17-2003, 11:53 AM

Go to that link that Sharon posted about Chicago...it's all there :)

She wasn't mean, per se...she just glared a lot...but she is human!

CarneVaca

07-17-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
Go to that link that Sharon posted about Chicago...it's all there :)

She wasn't mean, per se...she just glared a lot...but she is human!

Ah... That's what I thought.

You know, it may come as a shock, but I've been accused of glaring myself. I've even been accused of glaring when I didn't mean to, and this by people who actually know me. Imagine that.

Johnny Stew

07-17-2003, 01:49 PM

In regards to my comment about the relationship ending twenty-seven years ago... I really do believe the love/romance stuff ended at that time.

I honestly don't think they found themselves falling in and out of each other's beds after that.
Maybe for a brief time directly after the breakup, but I can't see that still happening on the 'Mirage' tour, for example.

They had a hard time getting over each other because, as they've said, they had to continue working together and see each other.

Lindsey had to sit down and take these songs Stevie had written about him... and, even worse, possibly about other men... and arrange them, and produce them.
While Stevie had to find some level of trust to allow Lindsey to do that... forever fearful that some deep-seated animosity towards her might cause him to sabotage the effort.

And then there was the "proving yourself" ego thing that they both had.
Her wanting to prove to him that she could be just as successful without any help from him... and him wanting to prove that he could be happy and productive without her.

For some reason I don't get the feeling that either of them ever looked at who the other was dating, and thought, "that should be me."
I really don't think it was unrequited love that kept them at each other's throats... I think it was just a matter of old lovers wanting to prove something to each other.

They can work together now because they got past that stuff, but they still argue at times because of how passionately the both feel about the music they're working on.

At least that's how it seems to me. :)

Johnny Stew

07-17-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by CarneVaca
It's also quite possible that Lindsey is only part of a composite that she made up for the song. I know songwriters who use that technique all the time. Sometimes in the context of a particular song, there's only a line or two about a specific person that is literal. Then you have to start thinking of others to be able to finish the story. I've done that in short stories too. That's the beauty of creating. Yep, you're right... Stevie definitely does that, and has said so herself.

One specific example: in interviews for 'Trouble In Shangri-La,' she stated that the first few lines in the title song ("I remember him, he was very young/no one spoke like him, he was someone") were written about Lindsey, but from there it was about other people and events.
(In fact, I've often wondered if the lines, "and you, you got in my way/ stood between me and my friends," were about Jimmy Iovine, whom I've heard was very territorial in regards to Stevie.)

So, yeah, this is definitely something Stevie does, and songs like "Thrown Down" and "Destiny Rules" could very easily be about more than one person/event.
That they're written in such a way for the listener to put his or her own interpretation to them (and to have that desire to interpret them) is one of the brilliant elements of Stevie's writing. :)