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Old 09-22-2013, 07:06 PM
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Well, I'm 20 and decent looking, and at the show I went to, I was standing right in front of Lindsey (because I paid for close seats). I did feel like he paid me a lot of attention, but I felt like also paid attention to the people around me who weren't my age. I didn't feel like he was being creepy, I felt like any attention he gave was just feeding off of my own (over)enthusiasm.

But I'm not blonde.
No, he was great at the Atlanta show this year!!! I was so happy. It totally made up for the other show I was referring to.

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i've never seen him giving more attention to people based on their looks,
Definitely it's not something he always does, but he has. And, I don't blame him, he's human - but it was discouraging / disappointing to me because that was the first time I had ever been at the stage for any show and for it to be FM and be in front of him was thrilling. But, I've had several more happier experiences since.
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:23 PM
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What people have been talking about here is people who don't have front tickets and who normally would not get past arena ushers, since their tickets aren't front tickets, being invited to come and stand near the stage.

Michele
This is exactly what I've been talking about too.

I went back and re-read the previous post to see if maybe I misread them and I don't think I am. I seems that there have been other threads prior to this one talking about the same thing and that it's been going on for a while now.

Either way I don't think it matters, and I do respect your opinion on this matter, and I will admit I could be wrong. There's really no way we will know for sure what's going on unless someone from the band talks, and I don't see that happening.
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:47 PM
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What? Do people REALLY believe that he b***s up over Stevie these days? Really? Lindsey's a member of Fleetwood Mac, but his member is part of manhood, and being a man his age and his status with a guitar strapped on leads to twenty somethings ogling over every note, and what's wrong with that??? Other than the money and the hotties, why would anybody want to spend THAT kind of time with their ex-old lady?
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:52 PM
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Now I know why I was allowed to stand in front of Lindsey.
I'm beautiful.

Wait! I maybe hot, but not so young - and definitely not female.
How did I pull that off?

For the record, Lindsey was making goo-goo eyes at the chic standing
by me for much of the show.
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:07 PM
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What? Do people REALLY believe that he b***s up over Stevie these days?
People do believe that, but I don't think it's been discussed in this thread. I mentioned him smelling her hair -- which he does, but I was being irreverent.

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Old 09-22-2013, 08:12 PM
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see - so happens that big fans get pulled upfront too!


I don't think they care very much about the looks of people who are being taken up front, as much as they are wanting a fun, party-like atmosphere. A lot of drinking, happy and loud "wooo!" people. Just my thoughts.
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:45 PM
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But I agree with your sentiment. I resent the often-perpetuated idea that being attracted to attractive people suddenly becomes "creepy" once you hit a certain age. I certainly don't plan on stopping myself from looking as I get older.
Not to hijack this thread but as a young woman in her twenties (and not too far removed from her teens), I feel that it's one thing to catch an older man taking a quick look, but anything more than that, I really start to feel threatened and/or creeped out (well, in fairness, I feel uncomfortable if men of any age gawk or ogle, but there is admittedly less of a creep factor with younger men than compared to older men). In hindsight, as a well-endowed young teenager, I really, REALLY felt uncomfortable with older men checking me out. Like, my fight or flight would kick in. I think whether you resent it or not, some girls and women are going to be creeped out by you checking them out because you've reached a certain age. That might not stop you from staring, but you can't stop them from feeling creeped out, because like for me, I can't help when my feeling of fight or flight kicks in with certain men (and men of a certain age).

I think it's one thing to admire someone being attractive and taking a quick peak and another thing to feel entitled to gaze upon them just because you find them attractive. That's ignoring them as a person with feelings, and essentially, objectifying them.
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:48 PM
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sorry but a 20 something year old woman having sex with a 60 year old man is pedophilia
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:54 PM
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I think it's one thing to admire someone being attractive and taking a quick peak and another thing to feel entitled to gaze upon them just because you find them attractive. That's ignoring them as a person with feelings, and essentially, objectifying them.
Well, that's true whether you're objectifying an older or a younger person. If you're just ogling them, it's impolite and perverted. It's like Stevie saying that movie stars just stared at her, like they were undressing her and she felt violated. She said that made her feel uncomfortable. She didn't think that rock stars were that forward.

Of course, I do think it's even worse when there is a large age difference between the pervert and his or her prey. It reminds me of the Seinfeld when George and Jerry lost the NBC job for staring at the executive's daughter. Jerry admonished him that 17-year old cleavage was off limits.

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True. Checking out with a quick glance is one thing. I do that from time to time. It's staring regardless of person (age, gender, etc.) that's another. If there's a large age difference, even more so.

and Seinfeld, if we're talking of Fleetwood Mac connections, always brings me to Chris.
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Well, that's true whether you're objectifying an older or a younger person.
Thank you -- I should have stated that somewhere in my tangent.
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It's like Stevie saying that movie stars just stared at her, like they were undressing her and she felt violated. She said that made her feel uncomfortable. She didn't think that rock stars were that forward.
That's so interesting and surprising. Although perhaps because she was a colleague, they saw her more as a peer/whole person, compared to movie stars who may have seen her in a more distant/disconnected way? In general, I can't help but wonder though if rock stars objectify the general woman more, considering the relationship between rock/music and groupies/prostitutes? Although I don't know enough about the Hollywood culture for actors to offer any argument.
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Sexism is rampant everywhere, there's no going around it. Hollywood, rock and roll, heck even in other fields. People would care if a woman has a pretty face and body more than they would in a man.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:13 PM
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This is not a phenomenon that I've noticed going on at shows I've seen. Yes, there are women at the front of the stage, but I haven't seen them escorted there by security. The ones I see usually elbow their way up there, past the people who had upfront tickets. No one brings them there.
I've been to quite a few shows this tour (both early on, and more recently), and that's been my experience as well

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Yes, they do seem very concerned with having people standing at the stage (to my chagrin). I have seen security telling those sitting in the front rows to come up, reminding them that they can and should. But it wasn't being done on a discriminate basis, just whoever was sitting in the front before the show started.
The security guy was really nice, and just made it clear that we should all (in the first 2 or 3 rows, whatever it was) feel free to come on up. It was actually appreciated, as it overrode the venue security when they weren't being so generous. I'm just an average middle-aged type, myself, and the security was as nice to me as they were to the hot, young girls. I never was asked to move over, or give up my spot. I realize it might be somewhat different with GA, but even so, it just wasn't an issue.

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No, Lindsey's solo shows aren't too small to have people up front. There's always plenty of room in front of the stage and people do stand there more often than not. Lindsey seems to be fueled by their enthusiasm at his solo shows and if there is no one standing there, he seems disappointed. There'd be every opportunity to pull "hot" people up to the stage if that's what he wanted to do. Apparently, he doesn't.
He definitely feeds off the audience, no matter their age, gender, or physical appearance. He just never comes across as being concerned with stuff like that. Not on stage, and not in random meetings off stage. Having said that, I'm sure he probably enjoys the attention from the young ladies. Why not? But I can't see him requesting it. And frankly, there are always a fair number of hot, young people up near the front anyways, who paid for the seats, so it's not really even necessary to bring up more.
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sorry but a 20 something year old woman having sex with a 60 year old man is pedophilia
No, actually it's not. It might seem odd to many, but they'd both be adults.

At any rate, there are teenagers and twenty somethings at every concert who are clearly crazy about Lindsey (or Stevie), and make no effort to hide how they feel, so it goes both ways. And that's not unique to FM. It happens with most older rockers.
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