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Old 07-06-2018, 12:50 AM
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I know, and I hope the echo of it is still somewhere inside her.
Well, maybe. But she sure as hell has abandoned it now. Sad.




"They lost their perspective"................

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Old 07-06-2018, 05:58 AM
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I imagine Chris was stuck touring. I bet when she came back she lost her voting rights AND had to sign a multi tour agreement to keep her from doing what she did in 97 and leaving after the tour. She lost is stuck trying to make the best of it. I bet she resents all this drama greatly.
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Old 07-06-2018, 06:47 AM
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I agree, she has to share some of the blame. But the way I look at it, is that if and when FM disbands or stops touring, perhaps because of lack of public interest, I definitely see a better chance of Christine and Lindsey working together again, than Stevie and Lindsey. They have a better working music relationship. You know, they both know more than three chords. I actually think they are better friends than Stevie and Lindsey and have more mutual respect for each other. I've never thought of Lindsey's and Christine's relationship as being fake.
Absolutely agree with this. I just wonder if that isn't damaged now-
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Old 07-06-2018, 07:34 AM
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My personal opinion is that this all boiled down to new music. I think Lindsey was tired of just being a touring band and that is all Stevie wanted.

I think Lindsey wanted to either push back the tour or tour solo along side the Mac with new music of his own and prove to Stevie that the fans do want to hear new stuff and not the same old songs.

That is where the "lost the perspective" came from. And I think Stevie blew a gasket and Mick supported her and the crap hit the fan between Stevie/Lindsey. Mick made the decision to go with Stevie.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:04 AM
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My personal opinion is that this all boiled down to new music. I think Lindsey was tired of just being a touring band and that is all Stevie wanted.

I think Lindsey wanted to either push back the tour or tour solo along side the Mac with new music of his own and prove to Stevie that the fans do want to hear new stuff and not the same old songs.

That is where the "lost the perspective" came from. And I think Stevie blew a gasket and Mick supported her and the crap hit the fan between Stevie/Lindsey. Mick made the decision to go with Stevie.
I absolutely agree new music played a part in this, however...now this new band has pushed back the start of the tour and are talking new music (I am doubtful we see anything new out of them--but they are talking about it)....SO, I guess that will give Lindsey the opportunity to say touche, to some degree. And they Stevie will be forced to answer the question "So when you said fans don't want new music, what you really meant was YOU just didn't want to create new music with Lindsey?"

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Old 07-06-2018, 08:11 AM
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Stevie Nicks unveils a new and updated version of the classic fan hit Fireflies!
(Check it out on tour this fall--complete with that magical Fleetwood Mac sound we all know and love ..... i.e. Mike Campbell and Neil Finn!)

Fire Lies 2018
(c) Brexit Witch Music

Lindsey's the last to leave
The last to be gone
Stolen like our legacy
He held on too long

He is the latest in the line
Of the ones I discard
Now he's shattered with his dreams
And I'm relishing the fun
Wrote a song 'bout it

I caused the breakdown
Around MusiCares
My vibrato helps Mick
Maintain his long silver hair

"Long Distance Winner"
I guess my lyrics weren't right
Looks like the winner is me
Have fun cry'in in the night

I would love to believe
I believe what I say
All the drama that I churn up
Whatever sells my face
No Chris you can't leave
All but Lindsey stay close
As I snort the pain

Lindsey's the latest to leave
What caused it this time?
A 'divorce in the night'?
More like 'fired without reason'!

Buy our lies, love the fight
Do you believe in the five?

...Sorry make that 'six,' now

'Cause anything goes

Anything goes


...Now you're fired, guys!
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:20 AM
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I have a hard time listening to their music anymore. Solo Stevie has been stripped from my Pandora playlist. I'm so disillusioned by all of this. I always thought they were the coolest bunch of people on the face of the earth.
Turns out they weren't the coolest, but the coldest.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:29 AM
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Last night I looked at ticketmaster for the forum shows in LA....WOW!!!!!! They are experiencing quite a drop off in business and trust me, they can surround themselves with all the "yes folks" they want, but word is getting back to them. This stunt will hit them in the pocketbooks. It won't go unrecognized.

Some of these shows look like they are selling worse than shows during the recession in 2009. I will be shocked if they don't get forced to move shows into smaller venues if they don't unload a ton of tickets in the next few months.
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Old 07-06-2018, 10:48 AM
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Last night I looked at ticketmaster for the forum shows in LA....WOW!!!!!! They are experiencing quite a drop off in business and trust me, they can surround themselves with all the "yes folks" they want, but word is getting back to them. This stunt will hit them in the pocketbooks. It won't go unrecognized.

Some of these shows look like they are selling worse than shows during the recession in 2009. I will be shocked if they don't get forced to move shows into smaller venues if they don't unload a ton of tickets in the next few months.
So much for Mick's "large, huge, lovely Fleetwood Mac tour."

DOR - lol!
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Old 07-06-2018, 01:42 PM
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My personal opinion is that this all boiled down to new music. I think Lindsey was tired of just being a touring band and that is all Stevie wanted.

I think Lindsey wanted to either push back the tour or tour solo along side the Mac with new music of his own and prove to Stevie that the fans do want to hear new stuff and not the same old songs.

That is where the "lost the perspective" came from. And I think Stevie blew a gasket and Mick supported her and the crap hit the fan between Stevie/Lindsey. Mick made the decision to go with Stevie.
IA with this as well. I think a lot of conflict came from the new album/lack of new album debate.
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Old 07-06-2018, 01:57 PM
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There are plenty of seats left open in Houston, Texas for February 5. As of yet, I have not purchased tickets for this show. These same venue was nearly sold out for the 2015 Tour. Except for the upper reaches of the balcony, there wasn't a seat to be found in 2015. Weeks after tickets went on sale, I look at the map of available tickets for 2019. There are open blue seats dotted everywhere.
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Old 07-06-2018, 03:23 PM
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Stevie was the instigator, Mick was the enforcer, John was the mindless follower, Chris was the passive enabler... they all participated in this.

ETA: I daresay lawyers told them to avoid talking to Lindsey, but it's still awful.
I love this description. 100% accurate.

Yes, that's my guess too. Lawyers. It wouldn't be FM without lawyers.

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They were both antagonistic to each other but I think Lindsey wasn't as negative about it in his mindframe of the whole 'willing to live through the bad stuff to achieve your inner purpose' thing.
There's also the fact that he's old, he's been in that band for the majority of his adult life, put a hell of a lot of work into it, has his whole musical legacy tied up in there and so what's happened is probably a disaster/very emotionally traumatizing.
Yes, I totally understand he spent most of his life with this people and he's indeed hurt because, unlike them, he has feelings. That's why I can't understand him, and no matter if they welcome him with open arms, it will never be the same.

And if it is, then it wasn't as bad as they made us believe in the first place.
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Old 07-06-2018, 03:28 PM
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I've said this from day one. Christine is THE ONE who could have stopped it. Yet she did nothing. If they lost her, too, it would have been ALL OVER. They couldn't have gone on without LB OR CM. It'd just be the $tevie Nick$ band then. But she did nothing. Maybe Wendy Welch was spot on about her.
I agree with you 100%..... Christine was the ONLY ONE to stop this and she didn't....if she had stood up to Mick and said no Lindsey then I'm out then this would not have happened.
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Old 07-06-2018, 03:34 PM
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Exactly. Lindsey stuck it out through the tough times, through the drama, through the tantrums, because of the music. The music is more important than anything else - it's more important than ego, than suffering, than the satisfaction of vengeance. That's why he put aside his feelings to work on Stevie's music. That's why they kept on working together despite everything that was going on between them in the past. That's why he's willing to keep on working with them now.

All of you people condemning him for his feelings... really? This is a huge part of his life, both professionally and emotionally. Don't you think he loved being in front of those crowds and making music with his band of 40+ years? Of course he doesn't want to leave it. Of course he wants it back.

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In the drama of the moment
For us there is no easy way
No one ever leaves
Everyone stays close 'til the fire fades
No one is condemning him and I think everyone is entitled to their opinion. He can do whatever he wants and I sure he couldn't care less what I think.

I was at The Classics and he certainly wasn't happy making music with them. He was happy doing BuckVie music and those two FM concerts were not something he wanted.

You can say the band is a big part of his life, but tell me: where's the joy of being sorrounded by people who doesn't like you? He wants it back for what? Being around people that doesn't want to work with you anymore just for the sake of still being part of a band?

Now if you tell me he's doing it for the money, then I totally get it, and I don't doubt that's one of the reasons he wants to be back.
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Old 07-06-2018, 03:40 PM
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You can say the band is a big part of his life, but tell me: where's the joy of being sorrounded by people who doesn't like you? He wants it back for what? Being around people that doesn't want to work with you anymore just for the sake of still being part of a band?

Now if you tell me he's doing it for the money, then I totally get it, and I don't doubt that's one of the reasons he wants to be back.
The fame, I think. Even though $tevie is the epitome of being fame needy, I think everyone likes being in a hugely popular band that sells out many venues.

By myself, I can move 1500 tickets, but with FM, 20,000! I'd think 95% of artists would prefer the latter.
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