Is this fair?

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

And I wouldn't have gone to that rehearsal in Maui anyways. After all that happened and they've already gotten a "replacement" for you, what's the point.

Seriously, what was the point of "inviting" him to Maui? To rehearse? Yeah, right! With his two (always two) replacements already there, the only reason I can think for this display of generosity is to tell him he was indeed fired.
The whole point was to embarrass him. That's how fu*king sick Stevie is.

[Storms123]

Originally Posted by button-lip

Seriously, what was the point of "inviting" him to Maui? To rehearse? Yeah, right! With his two (always two) replacements already there, the only reason I can think for this display of generosity is to tell him he was indeed fired.
The whole point was to embarrass him. That's how fu*king sick Stevie is.

You don't fly a guy over from Australia/NZ if he doesn't have the gig. FM did this so they could tell the press the offered him the opportunity to audition for the job he's had for 40+ years only to give it to two replacements. "Sorry Lindsey, Neil just has a better grasp of Go Your Own Way"

[TheWildHeart67]

I'm aware of that. You missed my point. You brought up that Stevie actually "worked" with Bob Dylan (even though she barely did) while Lindsey "merely" covered him (as if that says something about her over him), and then talking about how success is showing up. Well Stevie never would've met Bob had she shown up to record with HER band. But she didn't and was quite a mess during that time, which was part of WHY Lindsey didn't want to tour. Because almost the entire band (save Christine) had been such a flaky mess during the recording. Even Mick admitted to how bad it had gotten and that he didn't blame Lindsey for wanting out.
And I wouldn't have gone to that rehearsal in Maui anyways. After all that happened and they've already gotten a "replacement" for you, what's the point

All true. But what is interesting to me, is Lindsey quitting before the tour after Stevie got sober. She was a hot mess during the period up until she went to Betty Ford. She was no longer doing coke and her klonopin issues hadn't become apparent yet. Maybe the behavior she exhibited before Betty Ford was enough for him to simply want to walk away.

[David]

Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67

All true. But what is interesting to me, is Lindsey quitting before the tour after Stevie got sober. She was a hot mess during the period up until she went to Betty Ford. She was no longer doing coke and her klonopin issues hadn't become apparent yet. Maybe the behavior she exhibited before Betty Ford was enough for him to simply want to walk away.

What I've heard is that the behavior that turned him off was just as much sourcing from Mick as from Stevie.

In August 1986, during the latter stages of production on the album, Nicks, Fleetwood, and Buckingham all appeared by invitation at a big benefit concert in L.A. and played short sets. After Buckingham spoke warmly onstage of "healing" and re-established band ties, backstage Nicks and Fleetwood totally ignored Buckingham. Not a good time.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

What I've heard is that the behavior that turned him off was just as much sourcing from Mick as from Stevie.

In August 1986, during the latter stages of production on the album, Nicks, Fleetwood, and Buckingham all appeared by invitation at a big benefit concert in L.A. and played short sets. After Buckingham spoke warmly onstage of "healing" and re-established band ties, backstage Nicks and Fleetwood totally ignored Buckingham. Not a good time.

I've never heard this story. Very interesting.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by David

What I've heard is that the behavior that turned him off was just as much sourcing from Mick as from Stevie.

In August 1986, during the latter stages of production on the album, Nicks, Fleetwood, and Buckingham all appeared by invitation at a big benefit concert in L.A. and played short sets. After Buckingham spoke warmly onstage of "healing" and re-established band ties, backstage Nicks and Fleetwood totally ignored Buckingham. Not a good time.

Also never heard this story, but it fits perfectly with what's happening now. These two were made for each other.

[David]

Originally Posted by button-lip

Also never heard this story, but it fits perfectly with what's happening now. These two were made for each other.

That's why I always said those two were the deepest love in the band. Stevie toured in 1986, and Mick was onstage with her playing conga drums at every show she did in California: Inglewood, Costa Mesa, San Diego, Sacramento, Long Beach, San Jose, etc. They were super-tight. They've always been super-tight except for the one year she got mad at him when she was doing Timespace. That's the only big fight I ever heard the two of them had.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

That's why I always said those two were the deepest love in the band. Stevie toured in 1986, and Mick was onstage with her playing conga drums at every show she did in California: Inglewood, Costa Mesa, San Diego, Sacramento, Long Beach, San Jose, etc. They were super-tight. They've always been super-tight except for the one year she got mad at him when she was doing Timespace. That's the only big fight I ever heard the two of them had.

I've felt the same sentiment. Mick and $tevie have always been very close. I remember when we had the onslaught of shippers for B/N and they would die at the thought.

[nicepace]

That's why I always said those two were the deepest love in the band.

Hasn't this been obvious since the two of them appeared together on the cover of Rumours, without the rest of the band?

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by David

That's why I always said those two were the deepest love in the band. Stevie toured in 1986, and Mick was onstage with her playing conga drums at every show she did in California: Inglewood, Costa Mesa, San Diego, Sacramento, Long Beach, San Jose, etc. They were super-tight. They've always been super-tight except for the one year she got mad at him when she was doing Timespace. That's the only big fight I ever heard the two of them had.

I always thought a big part of their closeness was the cocaine.

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by button-lip

Seriously, what was the point of "inviting" him to Maui? To rehearse? Yeah, right! With his two (always two) replacements already there, the only reason I can think for this display of generosity is to tell him he was indeed fired.
The whole point was to embarrass him. That's how fu*king sick Stevie is.

I have a hard time understanding the point, too. Since Finn and Campbell were there, the possible reasons are:

1) They were asking him to literally compete with Finn and Campbell for his job in some kind of "American Idol" guitar-duel type scenario.... both humiliating and ridiculous, as they already know what Lindsey, Campbell, and Finn are capable of. However, I seriously doubt this was what was going to happen, because it would be degrading for all three men. Even if they had no respect for Lindsey, they would not want to put Finn and Campbell through that. I mean, it's patently absurd.

2) They were asking him to come down for a "talk" - after which he could enjoy watching them rehearse with his replacements. I guess I respect the fact that they wanted to tell him to his face that he was fired since apparently they didn't do so before, but I can understand why he wouldn't fly down there for that.

So, they shouldn't brag about inviting him to the rehearsal as if that's terribly magnanimous of them when they dumped him. It's like bragging about how nice you are for inviting your ex to your wedding, then calling him rude when he doesn't attend.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

2) They were asking him to come down for a "talk." I guess I respect the fact that they wanted to tell him to his face that he was fired since apparently they didn't do so before, but I can understand why he wouldn't fly down there for that.

So, they shouldn't brag about inviting him to the rehearsal as if that's terribly magnanimous of them when they dumped him. It's like bragging about how nice you are for inviting your ex to your wedding, then calling him rude when he doesn't attend.

I guess that's why he didn't go. Because he knew they wanted to make the firing official and of course he couldn't face that. Totally understandable.
He also probably didn't go because he knew his firing was a done deal, so what was the point of doing a long trip just to have another fight with Mick and Stevie?

They wanted to look him in the eye and tell him he was fired. What a bunch of losers! First they omitted the truth and they said he left the band but then once they truth is out they brag about their generosity.

[Storms123]

Originally Posted by button-lip

I guess that's why he didn't go. Because he knew they wanted to make the firing official and of course he couldn't face that. Totally understandable.
He also probably didn't go because he knew his firing was a done deal, so what was the point of doing a long trip just to have another fight with Mick and Stevie?

They wanted to look him in the eye and tell him he was fired. What a bunch of losers! First they omitted the truth and they said he left the band but then once they truth is out they brag about their generosity.

Who in their right mind would make the trip? Dignity in tact, stay on your home turf and let your "friends" fumble their way through the press for this debacle. I know I come across as team Lindsey in most of my posts. At the core, I am a fan of this band, but honestly, what i've seen/understood to have transpired here, I am sickened by this lot. All 5 of them whiffed this bad. This has Stevie and Mick written all over it, but I cannot absolve Chris and John from this debacle. I know folks are giving them passes here, but Why? Lindsey owns it too. They all suck ( can I say that here) You own and control your destiny and you all did this. Neil Finn and Mike Campbell aren't FM--The Rumours 5 did this to themselves, they alone can fix it.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Storms123

Who in their right mind would make the trip? Dignity in tact, stay on your home turf and let your "friends" fumble their way through the press for this debacle. I know I come across as team Lindsey in most of my posts. At the core, I am a fan of this band, but honestly, what i've seen/understood to have transpired here, I am sickened by this lot. All 5 of them whiffed this bad. This has Stevie and Mick written all over it, but I cannot absolve Chris and John from this debacle. I know folks are giving them passes here, but Why? Lindsey owns it too. They all suck ( can I say that here) You own and control your destiny and you all did this. Neil Finn and Mike Campbell aren't FM--The Rumours 5 did this to themselves, they alone can fix it.

THIS!
They do all suck! But when they're this close to death, they should have honored the legacy first, above all else. You WANT to go out as LEGENDS? You don't sell out to K-Mart, you DUMB F*CKS!!!!! Which is exactly what they did.

I'm sure that Lindsey isn't completely innocent in this scenario, but they should have held out, to make the story have a happy ending.

Now, it's got the most f*cked up ending imaginable.

I hope Old Goat Breath is happy, the old *****.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

THIS!
They do all suck! But when they're this close to death, they should have honored the legacy first, above all else. You WANT to go out as LEGENDS? You don't sell out to K-Mart, you DUMB F*CKS!!!!! Which is exactly what they did.

I call BS. I don’t believe for a second that you would have cared about the damage to their legacy if they had FIRED Stevie for not participating on what became LBCM.

I mean, you didn’t buy EP, which was like 75% Lindsey. You didn’t like SYW much and seemed pretty neutral about LBCM. So, exactly how are you THAT put off by them parting ways with Lindsey? It doesn’t appear you’ve liked his work with them over the past 20 years, so it’s clearly not about anything new. Maybe that’s kind of why they’re going in a different direction, that they’re not digging his direction anymore, either.

So, you’d rather they be a cash-grab oldies act than get a very different setlist and possibly new music? Not the legacy I want.