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With the context added (thanks to the NPR transcript), float in like goddesses translates into having to command respect.
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except of course that the men in the bands *were* lugging equipment cases... so she kinda wants to have her cake and eat it too.. ie, be seen/treated as an equal in terms of songwriting and power in the band, but then wants to be treated in a deferential manner and not expected to do any heavy lifting or dirty work because she's a delicate princess whom the gallant knights should want to protect and defend. That part undermines her message as well.
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I remember Stevie talking about how she couldn't do all the heavy lifting of the instruments on stage like the others do, like Lindsey and John do, and she was solidly deferential to them. She said she couldn't do what they do. She IS physically far far weaker and it'd be weird for anyone to pretend that she isn't. Last edited by redbird; 03-18-2013 at 05:05 PM.. |
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hope you get better soon, and that you managed to get your tix.
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Gee, I thought that every member of this forum had a contribution to make, regardless of where their preferences (band-wise) might lie. It's important to respect everyone's views, whether we agree with them or not. Some healthy discussion, devoid of vilification, ought to be the order of the day.
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As for the floating goddess comment, it just sounded flaky to me. Still, I don't think it suggested that women who are not "princesses" should be discriminated against, however. In fact, I don't think she said that women deserve to be treated shabbily if they don't do this or that at all. She did not suggest that women have brought the differential treatment on themselves, in this latest comment. Michele |
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I'm all for women's rights. I'm a very independent 17 y/o female, but dam, Stevie, you think mighty highly of yourself, don't ya?. " We have to float like goddesses" PPPPLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE, Stevie, stop there.
Yes, women do need to show men that we can do the same things as them, and some things we can do better. I'd love to see a man go through having a period or pregnancy, that way men, will know what its like to be a woman, but also I'd like to feel whats its like to go through some of the crap men go through. Goddesses? Yes, they are powerful, but yet they're expected to be beautiful, have manners, and allot of stuff that I don't want/ have nor do I to want to have that stuff. |
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I also tend to think it's a terribly insulting to women musicians when she constantly throws around the fact that as a woman, she would not have been able to have children and be a rock star. Plenty of women have successfully pulled it off. Plenty of women have had long marriages & balanced their music careers, too. I think it's completely her prerogative to forgo marriage & children for her career. But when she says she wasn't capable of combining marriage and/or children with her career, that's when her feminist credentials get a bit questionable, in my eyes.
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The thing about Stevie is, lest we forget, she was born in 1948 and some of her ideas are from that era. But I think she has evolved some over the years. There's no question that she supports other women and believes in shaping the independence of those who come after her. I think Sheryl, Vanessa and Taylor Swift are all examples of that. But sometimes with these people (Christine too) you just have to follow the pattern of equality they set with their LIVES and ignore some of their words, because the words sometimes don't conform to their achievements. And Stevie does -- or maybe she's outgrowing it now, but she did -- have a tendency to want women to be feminine, because she felt that helped them advance without challenge.
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That's not just a Stevie thing. Dolly Parton has said something similar...along the lines that she didn't mind that people thought she was just another dumb blonde because she knew she wasn't really dumb or blonde. The thing about true feminism is that there is no one right feminine ideal. Some want to achieve their equality and independence by proving themselves through masculine confines. Other's want to achieve their equality and independence by being unapologetically and unyieldingly feminine. Both have merits. I'm a big, old tomboy who would die a 100 deaths if I had to wear chiffon & be girly every day to succeed. But you know what? That's a personal preference. So you go Joan Jett...you be as "masculine" and as rough around the edges as you want to be & you keep on keeping on your way until the day they pry the microphone from your cold, dead hand. And Stevie...never change! Be yourself everyday and keep encouraging other young women to be themselves (what ever form that may take). To thine own self be true.
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There are as many ways to be a woman as there are women. Michele |
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^in the comments I quoted Stevue was not only sharing her own philosophy but saying thatvother women should do that too. She may have evolved since then, but in the past she has often expressed antiquated notions of womanhood. It doesn't make her bad. It makes her a product of her generation. Her life is often more representative of equality than her words are. Michele
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