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Old 11-26-2018, 02:29 PM
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How the band could pass up "Whole Lotta Trouble" for "Sara" and "When I See You" is beyond me.
It's intriguing trying to imagine how Fleetwood Mac circa 1986 would have rendered Whole Lotta Trouble. What we got on the Mirror solo album is a big, horn-heavy, galumphing production—an old-fashioned blues groove of the kind that Joe Cocker and Leon Russell used to shout through. The way it was done in 1989, it never appealed to me, but based on her video commentary, it apparently appealed to Stevie as a great instance of R&B.

But what would Fleetwood Mac have done with this thing? A straight 4/4? A slow blues burn with B3? Horns? Electric guitar blues licks where the horns currently are? Cokie Stevie bellowing at random?

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As I said, this may be one time Lindsey as producer let his resentment of Stevie get the better of him. That said, he pulled gold from ashes and made a great album.
The assumption that LB was seething with rage at Stevie and sabotaged her earnest attempts to participate in the album doesn't go far with me. He was trying to make an amazing album, and if he thought her emotive vocals didn't fit everywhere, so be it.

On several occasions, he ditched a great vocal of hers in favor of an inferior one, as on the Angel early vocal (one of the sexiest things she ever laid down) on Tusk Deluxe. It's just a difference of opinion—his and mine! He also used an inferior vocal of That's Alright for Mirage. Her earlier takes are stronger, sweeter, more country. But he and the rest of the band obviously thought what they chose was superior. What are ya gonna do?

Dashut or Caillat did a Q&A for the Penguin, but I can't reach it. They may have addressed this issue.
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Old 11-26-2018, 02:49 PM
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As I said, this may be one time Lindsey as producer let his resentment of Stevie get the better of him. That said, he pulled gold from ashes and made a great album.
I don’t think Stevie’s on any of Lindsey’s Mirage songs either. Just her three songs and “Love in Store”.
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It's intriguing trying to imagine how Fleetwood Mac circa 1986 would have rendered Whole Lotta Trouble. What we got on the Mirror solo album is a big, horn-heavy, galumphing production—an old-fashioned blues groove of the kind that Joe Cocker and Leon Russell used to shout through. The way it was done in 1989, it never appealed to me, but based on her video commentary, it apparently appealed to Stevie as a great instance of R&B.

But what would Fleetwood Mac have done with this thing? A straight 4/4? A slow blues burn with B3? Horns? Electric guitar blues licks where the horns currently are? Cokie Stevie bellowing at random?

The assumption that LB was seething with rage at Stevie and sabotaged her earnest attempts to participate in the album doesn't go far with me. He was trying to make an amazing album, and if he thought her emotive vocals didn't fit everywhere, so be it.

On several occasions, he ditched a great vocal of hers in favor of an inferior one, as on the Angel early vocal (one of the sexiest things she ever laid down) on Tusk Deluxe. It's just a difference of opinion—his and mine! He also used an inferior vocal of That's Alright for Mirage. Her earlier takes are stronger, sweeter, more country. But he and the rest of the band obviously thought what they chose was superior. What are ya gonna do?

Dashut or Caillat did a Q&A for the Penguin, but I can't reach it. They may have addressed this issue.
A cokie Stevie bellowing at random?
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That is the quote of the month IMHO
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:10 PM
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I've learned a lot from this thread and from you guys. Thanks!

Not that this adds anything except my opinion... based on everything I've read on the album over the last 30 years and what I know about LB's production, I am with those who say that Stevie is not on anything except for her own tracks and Little Lies (which I agree she improves).

In my mind, I've always thought of Tango as a Lindsey solo album with a bunch of Christine songs mixed in (the first BuckVie album, as pointed out here) with the rhythm from Mick and John. I agree that Lindsey probably did the drums on Caroline (maybe more).

SO MUCH about Tango seems to come from Lindsey.... even the cover being from his personal art collection and clearly the title track is his own. Stevie is fortunate she was able to contribute at all, given her personal situation. I mean her best track isn't even penned by her. Glad she got help.

PS - Tango is the album that got me into FM at the formative age of 7 in 1987, and I hold it near and dear to my heart. One of my very first cassettes, which I purchased with my allowance money. I adore Seven Wonders but I skip her other tracks pretty much each listen.
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A cokie Stevie bellowing at random?
LMAO
That is the quote of the month IMHO
Everyone always used to ask where I got my old sig, "Stevie was starting to lumber around like a sod packed wheelbarrow".

That was a Davidism as well.
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I don’t think Stevie’s on any of Lindsey’s Mirage songs either. Just her three songs and “Love in Store”.
I don't know how anyone can hear her on the Mirage tour version of "Eyes In The World" and not miss her on the original. For all we know, however, she declined to sing on the original.
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I don't know how anyone can hear her on the Mirage tour version of "Eyes In The World" and not miss her on the original. For all we know, however, she declined to sing on the original.
I don't think there's any way $tevie could have done the intro and break part that Christine sang. Her voice wouldn't have served that part at all.



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I don't think there's any way $tevie could have done the intro and break part that Christine sang. Her voice wouldn't have served that part at all.
I agree. But on the live version the three of them together do the wordless part that appears after the verses and functions more or less as the song's chorus.

It really works, and Stevie's voice is perfect for it. See 1:07: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBE2E6R7BRA

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I agree. But on the live version the three of them together do the wordless part that appears after the verses and functions more or less as the song's chorus.

It really works, and Stevie's voice is perfect for it. See 1:07: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBE2E6R7BRA
I enjoy her on that part of the song!
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Maybe I'm repeating things you said before, but there's something that tells me that Everywhere is one of the "old" songs for the album, like Big Love. I don't remember if I read it or not, but I don't see Stevie on that song. And I don't hear her voice as well.
Only if we remeber all the songs of the original album, Stevie appears in Seven Wonders, Little Lies, WTTR...S and When I See You Again. I really can't hear her backing vocals on Mystified or Tango In The Night or Family Man like we hear on Love In Store or Over & Over, for example...
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The assumption that LB was seething with rage at Stevie and sabotaged her earnest attempts to participate in the album doesn't go far with me.
And Stevie herself negated this myth not too many years ago. Saying she wasn’t around much for Tango.
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Cokie Stevie bellowing at random?
Well, cokey is better than pokey
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Well, cokey is better than pokey
I sure wish she'd get back on the blow. Maybe she could write a decent song, and stop singing in her 3 note range. And stop being such a *****!
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The "official wiki" credits don't offer much insight other than Lindsey played and programmed a lot of that album.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango_...ight#Personnel


Lindsey Buckingham – guitars, keyboards, Fairlight CMI, bass, lap harp, percussion, synthesizer and drum programming, vocals
Stevie Nicks – vocals
Christine McVie – keyboards, synthesizers, vocals
John McVie – bass guitar
Mick Fleetwood – drums, percussion
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I’m still mad that Stevie didn’t use “Whole Lotta Trouble” for BTM. She was in what could be one of the best blues bands around, and she did that solo.
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