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Old 05-31-2019, 11:43 AM
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I don’t think any band or solo artist that had hits in the 70s 80s are going to have hits now.
They are too old, too out of touch.

Most big songs are about boy, girl, love , breaking up etc.
When you are in your 70s yourself....all of that is a distant memory.
Good memories but way back ...
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:19 AM
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Roy is brilliant and his playing on Enchanted, If Anyone Falls, and Beauty and the Beast is amazing. I hate to sound so critical because I am not a brilliant musician but her playing at least sounds very amateur. Even at age 13 and first hearing this song I was like "who is playing the piano?" I looked it up in the credits and was like.....oh its her friend, that explains it. I think a first year piano player could play those parts on Wild Heart. I can only imagine the life Roy could have pumped into those songs with his brilliant playing. Its the difference of a good song vs a great song. I think its a fair criticism but did expect to be flamed There is a reason that ALL the live versions of Nightbird are better than the studio version. No Sandy Stewart on piano or keyboards!!!!!!
I think Sandy should stick to writing or singing. I think "Maybe love will change your mind" is her best written song.
Roy's and Benmont's playing salvaged many of her songs. Benmont gave a recent interview where he said Jimmy asked him to go and work with Stevie before production began on BD. He told Benmont to sit with her and listen to her play her demos and then to figure out how to get them in better shape to play for the top-caliber musicians who were going to have to record them. Her demos are too sparse and two-finger plonking to give anybody any idea what to do with them. Even Christine has said she has no idea what Stevie's trying to do on a lot of her songs and relies on Lindsey to translate. (Even Tom talked about trying to figure out what to do with some of her songs and being at a loss and then Lindsey would take it and turn it into something and Tom would be like wow of course that's how it should be done). A lot of people have carried a lot of Stevie's weight throughout her career
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Old 06-02-2019, 03:26 AM
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Roy's and Benmont's playing salvaged many of her songs. Benmont gave a recent interview where he said Jimmy asked him to go and work with Stevie before production began on BD. He told Benmont to sit with her and listen to her play her demos and then to figure out how to get them in better shape to play for the top-caliber musicians who were going to have to record them. Her demos are too sparse and two-finger plonking to give anybody any idea what to do with them. Even Christine has said she has no idea what Stevie's trying to do on a lot of her songs and relies on Lindsey to translate. (Even Tom talked about trying to figure out what to do with some of her songs and being at a loss and then Lindsey would take it and turn it into something and Tom would be like wow of course that's how it should be done). A lot of people have carried a lot of Stevie's weight throughout her career
Oh, come on. We all know that can't be true. She's a musical genius.



She has the PERSONALITY, but that's it. She'd be NOTHING without surrounding herself with all the men she........ slept with. The truth hurts. Old goat bleated her way to the top, on her back.
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:59 AM
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I don't think song writing has anything to do with Stevie or the Mac not having Top 10 pop hits. That train left the station decades ago. You could say the same thing about John Mellencamp, Don Henley, or any other 70's or 80's artist. The music industry has changed. Mick Jagger is out with a new album. Do you really think any of the songs are going to be a hit? That should not be the motivating factor to making new music. Some of you guys pick your favorite songs by the charts only which is strange to me
Whoever charted the radio in the 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's is not having new music played on mainstream radio stations. The best outlets are satellite radio, streaming, or classic rock stations that play new releases in addition to hits from years ago.
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Old 06-02-2019, 10:12 PM
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Whoever charted the radio in the 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's is not having new music played on mainstream radio stations. The best outlets are satellite radio, streaming, or classic rock stations that play new releases in addition to hits from years ago.
And it really has nothing to do with the quality or hipness of the music. If it comes from an oldster a song that would have been embraced if a young artist had performed it will be ignored, as a matter of course.
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:02 PM
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And it really has nothing to do with the quality or hipness of the music. If it comes from an oldster a song that would have been embraced if a young artist had performed it will be ignored, as a matter of course.
unless they load up their songs with all kinds of currently popular young musicians from different musical genre plus some additional legends for a good measure.

and hey - wasn't Red Sun unexpected hit in east Asian line dancing communities? remember all those videos about a year ago? so much fun! plus i hear BuckVie tunes as much or more than Say You Will songs in stores such as Kohl's and Home Depot.
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:47 PM
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unless they load up their songs with all kinds of currently popular young musicians from different musical genre plus some additional legends for a good measure.
Smooth! Or just forget about it.
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Old 06-05-2019, 12:07 PM
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and that dreaded sad keyboard intro to Nightbird
This. I'm not a fan of "Nightbird" at all, or really most of TWH album, but I agree that buzzy intro is awful.

I agree that "Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind" was a good song, I wish it did better- the time was still right for adult contemporary hitmakers.
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Old 06-05-2019, 12:40 PM
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This. I'm not a fan of "Nightbird" at all, or really most of TWH album, but I agree that buzzy intro is awful.

I agree that "Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind" was a good song, I wish it did better- the time was still right for adult contemporary hitmakers.
The buzzy intro is one of the things that makes Nightbird somewhat listenable for me, personally because I love 80s synth pop. 😛

Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind” is probably my favorite track off Street Angel. It’s very “feel good” and charming. The mandolin sounds and even the drums sound great and upbeat.

Sandy co-wrote some songs for other artists around this time like “Heart Over Mind” for British pop singer Kim Wilde. It was even released as a single in the UK in 1992, and made it to the top 40 over there, I believe.
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Old 06-05-2019, 03:09 PM
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A lot of the old school ladies pretty much gave up on writing. Look at Annie Lennox, case in point.
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:36 AM
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Veronique Beliveau (a Canadian singer) covering Sandy Stewart's 'House of Love'

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Old 06-15-2019, 03:45 PM
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I remember that article. Something about her count being off rhythm. Because it was!
My memory is that they said it was syncopated, but I could definitely be wrong.

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Old 06-16-2019, 07:45 PM
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I can't help thinking now that after Stevie said she didn't want to do another album as the only female member after SYW they should have approached Sandy to join on keyboards and vocals. A strong connection to the band and none of the baggage from huge fame elsewhere that Lindsey was concerned would happen had they brought Sheryl Crow on board (The words Neil and Finn leap to mind). Who knows... the present fiasco may have taken a lot longer to occur...
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:03 PM
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My memory is that they said it was syncopated, but I could definitely be wrong.
I think it was Christopher Connelly who reviewed TWH for Rolling Stone. (He wrote about the Macsters a lot while he was at Rolling Stone.) His writeup is barely left in my memory, but I think the Blue Letter Archives has it stored (I can't access the BLA anymore.) Connelly said the count-off was "arrhythmic." He didn't really dwell on it—he just cited it as an example of Stevie's general dorkiness. (He also said her voice was stronger than ever on that album.)

I agree that Stevie's count-off is dorky IF she is saying "one-two-three-four" (the "one" is on the offbeat). But if she's saying "and-two-three-four," she's actually correct. I just can't hear it well enough to know whether she says "one" or "and."

But there are bigger fish to fry on the album, we can probably all agree. [cough . . . Gate and Garden . . . cough]
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I think the Blue Letter Archives has it stored (I can't access the BLA anymore.)
I just tried and I can't access it either.

Is it offline for good? That would be a real shame.
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