Go off, Bill!

[Rob67]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

It's interesting that you included a link for a website that is lead by a conservative group, and has Rush Limbaugh's seal of approval. That says a lot, doesn't it?

To be truly balanced, why not also suggest Fair.org?

Well..mainly because it isn't my job to be "fair & balanced" I'm not giving out the news!!

Of course the site has Limbaugh's approval..it's main purpose is to show Liberal bias in the news media! So what?

Does this take away from the finding on the site? Or are they just dismissed as "right wing" propaganda?

Speaking of interesting, fair.org tends to have Limbaugh and O'Reilly in their crosshairs regularly. THey are entertainment news analysts that are paid to give thier point of view. They aren't journalists supposedly giving unbiased news. I have found the media Research Center, although Conservative, have targeted major news outlets and shows(ABC, NBC & CBS nightly news)...not so much entertainment organizations.

It's funny that radio hosts like Limbaugh, Savage & Hannity are on in most major markets, having gained popularity and ratings growth from the ground, up while the new Liberal network required a Billionair's financing and are only in 6 markets...with poor ratings! I heard they are even in trouble because of bouncing checks to station carriers.

Every liberal bitches and blames but I rarely hear answers to issues that would actually make me think. This is why I lean towards conservatives...less finger pointing and more action!

Rob

[Rob67]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Finally, in the industry, Fox is notorius for being a joke - a masquerade of serious journalism. So, I take it for what it is worth.

By "industry" do you mean "liberal media"?????

Rob

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rob67

It's funny that radio hosts like Limbaugh, Savage & Hannity are on in most major markets, having gained popularity and ratings growth from the ground, up while the new Liberal network required a Billionair's financing and are only in 6 markets...with poor ratings! I heard they are even in trouble because of bouncing checks to station carriers.

Thus, the expression, "if you want to fill your Church - preach hate."

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rob67

By "industry" do you mean "liberal media"?????

Rob

It has always been my feeling and thought, elitist though it maybe, that the common man does not want to think for himself. History shows they want it done for them. The "liberal media" is far more open with their thought process than people like Rush L., etc. The "liberal media" dares to ask why and dares to question authority. Conversely, the conservative media (which exists FAR more than the liberal media) clearly wants to force Christianity and all of the ruling authority that comes with it down the throats of everyone - and make a pretty penny while doing it even though they know it is not fair, America was NOT built on that premise, and the it is a classic do as I say not as I do schpeel. To me that is abhorrent. To others, it is God's way. The argument will never be solved, esp. as long as people can make a buck preaching the hate, like Fox News and MSNBC overtly and subtly do.

I mean, which of the true conservative values has W adhered to. Certainly he is not fiscally conservative - he is borrowing money left and right. Certainly he is not for less instrusive govt. - can you say a Const. Amend. taking away a state's right to allow gay marriage, tghe Patriot Act, etc. Finally, the Fed. Govt. is the largest it has ever been mostly due to W. None of these things in any way fit the conservative framework.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by The Tower

I been searching and looking and digging around for that "puke/upchucking" emoticon and, dammit, I just can't find it!!!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Rob67

It's funny that radio hosts like Limbaugh, Savage & Hannity are on in most major markets, having gained popularity and ratings growth from the ground, up while the new Liberal network required a Billionair's financing and are only in 6 markets...with poor ratings! I heard they are even in trouble because of bouncing checks to station carriers.

Actually, it's not funny.
It's sad and frightening that the conservative message gets that much attention and P.R..

As I said, when you make something into a three-ring circus (which O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity do), then of course people are going to watch or listen, because it's sensationalistic.
The amount of viewers or supporters doesn't mean the message is a good one.

Originally Posted by Rob67

Every liberal bitches and blames but I rarely hear answers to issues that would actually make me think. This is why I lean towards conservatives...less finger pointing and more action!

For the record, the Republicans & conservatives have historically been considered the "finger-pointers" and the ones who play "dirty pool."
And, any "action" they take almost always somehow screws over "the little guy."
Just have a look at the link in my signature (the AFL-CIO's BushWatch).

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

LOL - Brian J. LOL!!!!!!!!!

[Rob67]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Actually, it's not funny.
It's sad and frightening that the conservative message gets that much attention and P.R..

As I said, when you make something into a three-ring circus (which O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity do), then of course people are going to watch or listen, because it's sensationalistic.
The amount of viewers or supporters doesn't mean the message is a good one.

Your position is noted. But I disagree with it. I don't listen to Limbaugh but I catch some of Hannity's show on the way home from work. (I am not much into talk radio!) I understand he has a point of view he is trying to poresent but I never got the "sensational" side of it from him. He is just stating his opinions...and he backs them up. And, I know liberals hate personalities like Hannity, but just because they do doesn't mean the message is bad, either. Why is it bad?

For the record, the Republicans & conservatives have historically been considered the "finger-pointers" and the ones who play "dirty pool."
And, any "action" they take almost always somehow screws over "the little guy."
Just have a look at the link in my signature (the AFL-CIO's BushWatch).

Yeah, yeah...the left blame the right and the right blame the left....yada, yada...Both sides are guilty. Politics is sickening sometimes.....

I heard a Democratci strategist the other day on the radio say that a major reason for the presidential loss in '00 and the subsequent loss of seats in Congress in '02 was because the Dems were spending too much time attacking Repub's and not getting their policy messages out. I agree. It's all you hear from Kennedy and Daschel, etc....blah, blah..."Bush is to blame for everything!! Vote for us!! We'll fix it!! We won't tell you how yet!!"

Rob

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Rob67

He is just stating his opinions...and he backs them up. And, I know liberals hate personalities like Hannity, but just because they do doesn't mean the message is bad, either. Why is it bad?

Um, gee- I dunno......

Maybe because he's a major lying scuzzball??? The message is bad because he lies and distorts the truth.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Um, gee- I dunno......

Maybe because he's a major lying scuzzball??? The message is bad because he lies and distorts the truth.

My fav. was when Hannity and Scarborough BOTH said the Dixie Chicks had aided SH by saying in England that they were embarrased to be from Texas because W was from Texas. I mean please! That was gross pandering to the far right to boost ratings with little care and no regard for the truth. Again, if you want to fill your church, preach hate.

[dissention]

O'Reilly needs to get some original material. The whole Jim Jones/kool-aid person schtick is Randi Rhodes'. She's been saying it for ages and uses it when talking about O'Reilly and Hannity; she must be proud that she's rubbed off on that schmuck.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Rob67

It's funny that radio hosts like Limbaugh, Savage & Hannity are on in most major markets, having gained popularity and ratings growth from the ground, up while the new Liberal network required a Billionair's financing and are only in 6 markets...with poor ratings! I heard they are even in trouble because of bouncing checks to station carriers.

Try not to speak when you don't know what you're talking about.

All of those radio shows are carried by Clear Channel. If you don't know all about Clear Channel, I'm not going to waste my time by explaining anything to you. Limbaugh stills ranks 21st almost ever year and when he was up against Randi Rhodes, she whipped his ass and took the number one slot. None of those conservative shows "gained popularity and ratings from the ground up," they were forced onto the market by Clear Channel. Hannity's show regularly bombs and he gets close to no listeners in his major market, New York.

Air America does not get poor ratings, either. Radio ratings come out every quarter, four times a year and their ratings won't be published until the end of June. The only way for them to measure ratings is by measuring their online streams. Ironically, their online streams were higher than Limbaugh's, Hannity's, and Savage's combined. The last time they checked, they had over 2 million simultaneous streams. That's not good, that's amazing.

As for the "bounced checks" bull**** that you got directly from The Smudge Report, it's ENTIRELY false. Liu, the man who owns and operates Multicultural Broadcasting (which airs the LA and Chicago Air America) illegally double-booked the air time and broadcasted the Spanish network that they booked instead of AA. He forced security to escort the AA personnel out of the building and changed the locks to the studio. What he did was illegal; he already cashed the checks and got the money, it had nothing to do with bounced checks. HE STOLE MONEY. AA went to court and got a restraining order anf got a court order that forced Liu to turn the stations back on. Check your facts, man.

While we're talking about Savage, I'd like to hear you try to defend that rat bastard like you do every other conservative. That f*cker is plain evil.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by dissention

Check your facts, man.

Originally Posted by Rob67

I heard a Democratci strategist the other day on the radio say that a major reason for the presidential loss in '00 and the subsequent loss of seats in Congress in '02 was because the Dems were spending too much time attacking Repub's and not getting their policy messages out.

Conservatives don't check facts- they're too busy getting their (fraudulent) policy messages out.....

Originally Posted by dissention

Try not to speak when you don't know what you're talking about.

While we're talking about Savage, I'd like to hear you try to defend that rat bastard like you do every other conservative. That f*cker is plain evil.

I couldn't have said it better myself!!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I must disagree. I have never seen such blatant and gleeful bias on any of those networks, as I've seen displayed on Fox News.
And what's worse is the fact that Fox claims to be "fair and balanced."

But you hit the nail on the head when you said "entertainment news," because that's exactly what it is.

O'Reilly pondered this past week why it is that Fox News is "beating the pants off of CNN," and I wanted to email him and reply that it's because Fox News, much like the ever-popular realityTV genre (specifically shows like 'Fear Factor,' 'Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire,' and 'Extreme Makeover'), tends to pander to the lowest common denominator.

It's all sensationalistic and bombastic, because that's what draws in viewers, and Bill O'Reilly has more in common with Jerry Springer, than he does with folks like Lou Dobbs or Aaron Brown.

So he can gloat all he wants about having higher-ratings, but the victory is a hollow one, given the nature of how Fox News draw in most of their viewers.

Absoluteley Johnny. We are living in the administration of black is white and up is down. Rupert Murdoch & Co. wholeheartedly support that notion and I'm sure their bank accounts are overflowing as a result.
Lou Dobbs rocks. He is to the point and not afraid to step on any toes. But yes, it seems that the majority of people want to be entertained by their news, reveling in human suffering and embarassment.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I must disagree. I have never seen such blatant and gleeful bias on any of those networks, as I've seen displayed on Fox News.
And what's worse is the fact that Fox claims to be "fair and balanced."

Well, they do have the token liberal (Colmes) to balance the vile conservative (Hannity).

But you have to question how balanced that is.

Hannity is a viper and Colmes is just stupid.

Also, Rob, if you don' think Hannity is vicious, read his latest book. It's shockingly bad and erroneous, but he presents all of it as facts. or, you could read Ann Coulter, who believes that McCarthy is one of the greatest men to ever grace the earth.