"Krautrock" = "End of the Game"?

[slipkid]

I've recently discovered "Krautrock". It's very heavy German progressive rock. Think of early 70's Yes, and Black Sabbath sending a stork baby to the front door. I wonder during that infamous night in Munich he was jamming with local German "Krautrock" musicians!?! What Mick, John, and Jeremy fail to understand is that Peter Green was seeking out new ideas, and new forms of rock music. It's no wonder after that night in Munich Peter Green becomes a wah pedal fiend guitarist. Of the existing Fleetwood Mac tapes from post Munich 1970, Peter Green was the greatest guitar player on the planet. This proves that acid didn't ruin Peter Green while he was in FM. The true trigger happened after he left the band.

[dino]

Originally Posted by slipkid

I've recently discovered "Krautrock". It's very heavy German progressive rock. Think of early 70's Yes, and Black Sabbath sending a stork baby to the front door. I wonder during that infamous night in Munich he was jamming with local German "Krautrock" musicians!?! What Mick, John, and Jeremy fail to understand is that Peter Green was seeking out new ideas, and new forms of rock music. It's no wonder after that night in Munich Peter Green becomes a wah pedal fiend guitarist.

The Krautrock band Amon Duul had connections to the Munich commune, perhaps some members participated in the jam.

Originally Posted by slipkid

Of the existing Fleetwood Mac tapes from post Munich 1970, Peter Green was the greatest guitar player on the planet. This proves that acid didn't ruin Peter Green while he was in FM. The true trigger happened after he left the band.

Agreed, those tapes contain amazing guitar playing. Maybe Munich was more an emotional catalyst than a chemical one, as Green left the band shortly afterwards - and that's why the rest of the band talk about it - they were chocked he was leaving.

[doodyhead]

Originally Posted by dino

Agreed, those tapes contain amazing guitar playing. Maybe Munich was more an emotional catalyst than a chemical one, as Green left the band shortly afterwards - and that's why the rest of the band talk about it - they were chocked he was leaving.

Dear Dino,
Did you actually hear any tapes from that Jam in the communne? It is my understanding that tthe tapes are in the possession of Peters former wife somewhere in california where the sun has never shined on them

I am hoping that you have more information. Please tell us?

sincerely,

doodyhead

[dino]

Originally Posted by doodyhead

Dear Dino,
Did you actually hear any tapes from that Jam in the communne? It is my understanding that tthe tapes are in the possession of Peters former wife somewhere in california where the sun has never shined on them

I am hoping that you have more information. Please tell us?

sincerely,

doodyhead

Sorry to mislead you, I was simply refering to the post Munich Mac tapes.
Don't think any Greeny fan has heard the Munich jams, if they do exist, not even Don Brown.

[mzero]

Originally Posted by slipkid

I've recently discovered "Krautrock". It's very heavy German progressive rock. Think of early 70's Yes, and Black Sabbath sending a stork baby to the front door. I wonder during that infamous night in Munich he was jamming with local German "Krautrock" musicians!?! What Mick, John, and Jeremy fail to understand is that Peter Green was seeking out new ideas, and new forms of rock music. It's no wonder after that night in Munich Peter Green becomes a wah pedal fiend guitarist. Of the existing Fleetwood Mac tapes from post Munich 1970, Peter Green was the greatest guitar player on the planet. This proves that acid didn't ruin Peter Green while he was in FM. The true trigger happened after he left the band.

while i do like the looser jammier 1970 fm and the subsequent solo material including end of the game and the post fm singles, i don't think this was when pete was at his very best. instead it seems like the beginning of the end of his creative period. maybe even a reflection of his illness. he abandonned the less is more approach, and the structure that made him such an expressive player and writer. wandered off pursuing creative expression that wasn't as expressive as what he had already done

ok i'll add the 'mario' disclaimer, in my humble opinion! zero

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by mzero

while i do like the looser jammier 1970 fm and the subsequent solo material including end of the game and the post fm singles, i don't think this was when pete was at his very best. instead it seems like the beginning of the end of his creative period. maybe even a reflection of his illness. he abandoned the less is more approach, and the structure that made him such an expressive player and writer. wandered off pursuing creative expression that wasn't as expressive as what he had already done

ok i'll add the 'mario' disclaimer, in my humble opinion! zero

Your opinion is respected with me zero. So I'm stating my side of opinion.

Peter Green wrote "The Green Manalishi" sometime during the late '69/'70 tour of the U.S., if not earlier. If this song doesn't signify a change in his musical direction, nothing else does.

What about those brilliant "Got a Good Mind to Give Up Living ("The Letter")" performances from San Francisco, New Orleans, and later Stockholm? To my ears, while many think New Orleans is his best performance, I think it's Stockholm 4/1/70. Peter Green took that song (from Paul Butterfield's arrangement), made it his own, and made it one of the most painfully expressive blues songs ever heard. There is a 1969 performance of this song from a London college that has FM playing the song closer to the Butterfield arrangement.

The long jams that became the norm from late '69 into early '70, were not a sign of illness, but trying to connect to the hippie ballroom circuit in the United States. Fleetwood Mac was under the influence of the Grateful Dead, and the Allman Brothers Band. In New Orleans 1/31/70, FM blew away the Grateful Dead. It's stated in the recent GDead bio from Dennis McNally. It's also fortunate that FM didn't follow the Dead back to their hotel that night because that became the song "Truckin". Fleetwood Mac would've been deported.


The Boston Tea Party tapes from 2/70 are proof of a healthy Fleetwood Mac. While Stockholm, and Roundhouse Chalk Farm are different shows, they still hold a lead guitarist who is in command.

[dino]

I agree...Greeny was capable of both the "less is more" approach and the more experimental wah-wah playing in 1970. Both styles were present when he left the band. I'm a huge Hendrix fan (well, Hendrix was a huge Green fan), but IMHO Green was perhaps the best rock guitar player in the world at that stage.

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by dino

I agree...Greeny was capable of both the "less is more" approach and the more experimental wah-wah playing in 1970. Both styles were present when he left the band. I'm a huge Hendrix fan (well, Hendrix was a huge Green fan), but IMHO Green was perhaps the best rock guitar player in the world at that stage.

How do you know Jimi was a huge fan of Peter Green? Have you read a quote somewhere? I'm not doubting your claim, I'd like to know what he said. I know he was a fan of Chicago guitarist Terry Kath. He was another guitarist who was under the radar until he died in 1978. I know of the NYC 12/68 jam at a local club (with Danny). I know both guitarists played together on (at least) a couple of occasions. I have never read a Jimi Hendrix quote concerning Peter Green. Since I'm not an obsessed Hendrix fan (casual), I hope dino can fill me in on the details.

[dino]

Don't think Jimi ever commented on Green in an interview...but I'll check. Mick Fleetwood is the source, if he is to be believed. Hendrix did quote "Oh Well" in concert, at least.

Hendrix was seldom asked about his peers or such, mostly journos asked insipid questions like "where is fashion going"? (A: "People will continue to wear pieces of clothing").