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Old 01-31-2019, 07:15 PM
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Totally does, but if people keep making the past 40+ years of their relationship analogous to a chess match, it was bound to happen eventually.
i don't think i follow this:
  • where are people calling past 40+ years of LB-SN relationship a chess match?
  • what was bound to happen?
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The only flaw in that logic is that it’s also Stevie who wanted to sing “Black Magic Woman” and “All Over Again” which were done outside of her tenure. In theory, why would a song from Time be any less offensive than something from LBCM?
Because unlike "All Over Again" LBCM was recorded during her tenure with the band, but without her participation. It may be awkwardness more than offensiveness.
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i don't think i follow this:
  • where are people calling past 40+ years of LB-SN relationship a chess match?
  • what was bound to happen?
You do realize that the whole “make a move” idiom originated from chess, right?
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Exactly. She could have easily asked Mick to add Carnival Begin on the setlist. You know, a Christine's song. But no. And we know why.
Yeah, I guess she could have, although the assumption that “we know why” is laughable. I mean, LBCM didn’t play it live. Was that Stevie’s fault, too?

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Because unlike "All Over Again" LBCM was recorded during her tenure with the band, but without her participation. It may be awkwardness more than offensiveness.
OTOH, Time was made at a time when she had a very publicly acrimonious relationship with the band.
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You do realize that the whole “make a move” idiom originated from chess, right?
Who are you talking to that’s using all that chess language?

#stillthesamequestion
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Who are you talking to that’s using all that chess language?

#stillthesamequestion
I just ran a search, and maybe I didn't do it right, but the phrase "make a move" literally only appeared in this thread.

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In theory, why would a song from Time be any less offensive than something from LBCM?
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OTOH, Time was made at a time when she had a very publicly acrimonious relationship with the band.
I don't know man, if you think Stevie today, in 2018-19, cares about the "acrimonious" Time era in the same way as LBCM, I don't think I can help you.
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I was going to start a new thread for my next question but it sits well here too. But on the thread topic, I think you'll agree no way was Lindsey going to play On with the Show on his solo tour when he was no longer part of that show. The only reason I think Christine isn't doing Carnival Begin on this tour is that it uses music similar to I'm So Afraid, so it is very much a Lindsey co-write and out of respect for Lindsey she is not playing it...without him.

What sounds more Fleetwood Mac-y: Say You Will or Buckingham McVie?
Also: by many accounts including by Mick Fleetwood's account, Christine wanted to write and record songs for Say You Will, if she could be assured that she was not required to tour. The band said sorry, no can do. Stevie wanted to tour but didn't have a single new song to offer to Buckingham McVie (of course she actually had dozens of old demos and a relatively new song My Mother's Rings) and the band, including Lindsey at the time said sure, no problem Stevie, of course you don't have to record in order to tour.
Double standard?

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What sounds more Fleetwood Mac-y: Say You Will or Buckingham McVie?
Say You Will. Without the Stevie/Lindsey interplay it just isn't FM to me.
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Say You Will. Without the Stevie/Lindsey interplay it just isn't FM to me.
Ugh. Without the Lindsey/Christine interplay, is just isn't FM to me.

SYW blows goats. No, not that one.
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Also: by many accounts including by Mick Fleetwood's account, Christine wanted to write and record songs for Say You Will, if she could be assured that she was not required to tour. The band said sorry, no can do.
Business-wise, this seems odd. Everyone had to know a reunion of the full Rumours lineup would be a huge selling point.

Creatively, it also seems odd. While not a perfect parallel, it would be akin to Eric Clapton refusing to include Duane Allman in the Derek & The Dominos studio sessions for Layla because Allman wasn't prepared to tour with them as well.

Regardless, it's not a double standard because they never made plans to tour the Buckingham McVie material whereas they explicitly planned to tour behind the material on Say You Will.

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I just ran a search, and maybe I didn't do it right, but the phrase "make a move" literally only appeared in this thread.





I don't know man, if you think Stevie today, in 2018-19, cares about the "acrimonious" Time era in the same way as LBCM, I don't think I can help you.
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Say You Will. Without the Stevie/Lindsey interplay it just isn't FM to me.
LBCM.

The musical interplay between Mick, John, and Christine is what I associate most with Fleetwood Mac. Time sounded more like Fleetwood Mac to me than SYW.
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LBCM.

The musical interplay between Mick, John, and Christine is what I associate most with Fleetwood Mac. Time sounded more like Fleetwood Mac to me than SYW.

This I can’t agree with. I do think Time sounds as much as Fleetwood Mac as Say You Will as LBCM. If Mick and John are present it’s FLEETWOOD MAC.
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Want to know why I think she's not played it live yet? There is no way she can hit those notes live. NO.WAY. "I want it ALL.." Croak croak croak....
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[quote=secret love;1248111]I was going to start a new thread for my next question but it sits well here too.

What sounds more Fleetwood Mac-y: Say You Will or Buckingham McVie?


Say You Will.....no contest.
I know it’s heresy to say BUT...I’m not that keen on the album Buckingham/Mcvie..
Each to their own and I find SYW far more fulfilling and lasting.
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