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Old 12-28-2018, 06:51 PM
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tense and person shift unnecessarily, but they do that on DREAMS, guys!
As they do on Bob Dylan's "Tangled Up In Blue," which is probably the song Stevie had in mind when she defended herself to Lindsey.
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Old 12-29-2018, 06:46 AM
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FYI for those curious, the lyrics on the FM version only are the bridge (absent from the TISL outtake):

You've shaken your faith in me, no you've shaken my faith in everything else
A decision no one makes, and now you're going home
Faith is a hard thing to hold on to, something inside you says "I don't have to"
You're not like other people, you do what you want to
Don't see any problem with those, they are clever lyrics that fit the rest of the song.
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Old 12-29-2018, 04:49 PM
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I enjoy both the music and lyrics on Thrown Down, but despise the lyrics on Illume. I am talking here about the Say You Will tracks, not TISL. The outtake of Thrown Down on TISL is uninspired and lacking ANY male vocals, and the best male vocalist Stevie has ever collaborated with features on Say You Will - Thrown Down and makes it amazing.

Yes, her tense and person shift unnecessarily, but they do that on DREAMS, guys!
It may not bother you but it bothers the hell out of me. That song could of really been something but when that part comes on it becomes cringe worthy.
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Old 12-31-2018, 06:42 AM
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I like both versions. I really like the production and arrangement of the TISL version but I love the 2nd verse of the SYW version, which is missing from the earlier version.
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Old 12-31-2018, 02:00 PM
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They both suck. From the very first listen I could tell they were trying to capitalize on the rhythm section of Dreams. Releasing Thrown Down as a single was a mistake. The song was too weak for radio.
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And which has better guitar work (I presume the TISL outtake's guitarist is not Lindsey)?

Feel free to explain why you feel as you do.
Wall of Sound is Lindsey and that's my favorite version. Supposedly it was on a German acetate of Trouble In Shangri La. It was recorded during Sheryl Crow's tenure as producer. I'm thinking LB probably produced it. Not to nitpick but there are three versions, the TISL demo, the outtake and the SYW version.

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Old 01-02-2019, 12:10 PM
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TISL version, by far. I think it could have been a good single, I'm perplexed why this song would be left off and a throw-aways like "Everyday" or "I Miss You" made the cut. I think the song has some typical lazy Stevie-isms but the "you can sit outside his door and wait, you can dedicate your pain to him" sounded cool and relatable. I've done my share of dedicating my pain to people who didn't return it or deserve it. I "got" that one.

I think Lindsey ruined "Not Make Believe" by the way. Stevie's TISL demo version was a lot nicer to my ear. I don't like that he added all that whispering to her SYW music, I think he did it on purpose to make her songs sound stupid and she didn't want to stand up to him.
Every Day was partial payment to John Shanks for producing the record. He wrote it. And yes Thrown Down should have been on the record.
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I enjoy both the music and lyrics on Thrown Down, but despise the lyrics on Illume. I am talking here about the Say You Will tracks, not TISL. The outtake of Thrown Down on TISL is uninspired and lacking ANY male vocals, and the best male vocalist Stevie has ever collaborated with features on Say You Will - Thrown Down and makes it amazing.

Yes, her tense and person shift unnecessarily, but they do that on DREAMS, guys!
You can hear Lindsey singing at the the end of the outtake. He is singing on it. I think Don Henley is the best male voice Stevie's ever sung with.

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