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Old 01-22-2013, 04:26 PM
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Saw a few great video clips of Bekka with the Mac on 95 tour.

She is a great singer and performer...I never really understood why she never broke out as a top selling single artist....but yet we get the likes of Taylor Swift and Nicki (WTF) Minaj?
Yes, I also never understood why she never had a solo career of her own as a performer. It all started out so nicely: that duet with Joe Cocker from his album "Have A Little Faith", then her debut with Fleetwood Mac, then the Bekka & Billy album (which I like better than "Time") and then ... tambourine and backing vocals and lots of songwriting.

When I look at the likes of Minaj and Gaga, it's like the bigwigs of the music industry cannot stand real women in music (like Bekka would have been one). So instead, they promote characters reminiscent of a vaudeville show like the former. That's kind of sad really.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:40 PM
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Yes, I also never understood why she never had a solo career of her own as a performer. It all started out so nicely: that duet with Joe Cocker from his album "Have A Little Faith", then her debut with Fleetwood Mac, then the Bekka & Billy album (which I like better than "Time") and then ... tambourine and backing vocals and lots of songwriting.

When I look at the likes of Minaj and Gaga, it's like the bigwigs of the music industry cannot stand real women in music (like Bekka would have been one). So instead, they promote characters reminiscent of a vaudeville show like the former. That's kind of sad really.
That's it exactly. Bekka had/has been offered big solo contracts but she declined them for those reasons. She wanted to be herself and that conflicted with their plans. I really admire that about her.

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Old 01-22-2013, 06:38 PM
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Yep. That other guy, BTW, is George Hawkins.

First, he started filling in for members of Fleetwood Mac with other artists.


Then he started playing with various members of Fleetwood Mac...

Mick Fleetwood...

Lindsey Buckingham... (Hey, that guy standing right next to George looks familiar...)

Mick Fleetwood's Zoo...

Christine McVie...

Billy Burnette...

Sang harmonies on John McVie's solo record...

And Bekka Bramlett (who understands what it's like filling in for Stevie Nicks).
Thanks for info, SteveMacD. I now recognized the name as one who worked with Christine and her '84 album.

BTW, I can't stand Taylor Swift, Nicki Minaj, and Gaga.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:18 PM
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Funny thing about Dave Mason is that I actually like his songs on Time way better than I like his solo stuff up until that point.
Ooh. I can't get behind that. "Alone Together" is just a masterpiece. There are few albums I've ever heard that match the sheer beauty of its production, Fleetwood Mac or otherwise. I also love the record he made with Mama Cass and "Let It Flow". Even "Two Hearts" was pretty good. I think Mick hoped that THAT was the Dave Mason he was getting. Hard Rocker isn't the first thing I'd say about Mason, and it was an unnatural role for him in the Mac. Also, that second Traffic album is pretty killer.

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That's it exactly. Bekka had/has been offered big solo contracts but she declined them for those reasons. She wanted to be herself and that conflicted with their plans. I really admire that about her.
Me too. Unlike her predecessor, she saw the pitfalls of being that big when she was a kid, and chose to be an artist by day and a backing vocalist by night. She doesn't need the money and doesn't want the fame. If she palyed guitar, she'd be a hero, like the band's founder
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:34 AM
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I also love the record he made with Mama Cass
I have that for completist purposes only. It is one of the worst albums in my collection. I guess we can't agree all the time though Steve
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:08 PM
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I liked 'Time' a lot
I prefer it to Say You Will


I would have preferred if Rick was in the band taking Dave Mason's place.

I loved the following tracks

All Over Again
Hollywood
Nights In Estoril
Dreaming The Dream
Talking To My Heart
Nothing Without You
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I have that for completist purposes only. It is one of the worst albums in my collection. I guess we can't agree all the time though Steve
I can only think of two bad songs. "Walk To The Point" is a killer song. I would agree that it didn't break a lot of new ground, but it's still pretty good.
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Ooh. I can't get behind that. "Alone Together" is just a masterpiece. There are few albums I've ever heard that match the sheer beauty of its production, Fleetwood Mac or otherwise. I also love the record he made with Mama Cass and "Let It Flow".
I absolutely love the improbable album Dave made with Cass Elliot. It recently was re-released.

This is the album that thinly links the Mamas & Papas to Fleetwood Mac.
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Out of the Time songs I've heard, I only like These Strange Times, Which is the song everybody else seems to hate! . I like it cause its differeny and weird.
Time just doesn't sound FM to me.
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Out of the Time songs I've heard, I only like These Strange Times, Which is the song everybody else seems to hate! . I like it cause its differeny and weird.
Time just doesn't sound FM to me.
Take a closer look, it has some really strong tracks via the ladies, esp Nights in Estoril. These Strange Times has actually grown on me, it's not bad at all.
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These Strange Times has actually grown on me, it's not bad at all.
And, for me, it's even more of a revelation reading that Mick Fleetwood played LEAD GUITAR on the track!! I guess after so many decades of playing with God-like guitarists, something must've rubbed off via osmosis.
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i thought there were some great tracks on 'Time'
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The album article in Wikipedia says this is the first that failed to make the charts in the US. Is that really true? Do they mean the Top 100 or the whole chart at all? Does anybody know?

In any case, after reading how Time was born, the Warner pressure, etc.. If it failed to make any chart, no doubt the lineup was damned to die, cause no record company would support it.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:52 PM
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The album article in Wikipedia says this is the first that failed to make the charts in the US. Is that really true? Do they mean the Top 100 or the whole chart at all? Does anybody know?
No, that's incorrect. The album called Black Magic Woman which was a reissue of Dog & Dustbin & English Rose in a 2-LP set in 1972 did not chart either.

Considering there's no numbers higher than 200, I would assume that the lowest the charts go is #200.

Heroes Are Hard To Find was the first Fleetwood Mac album to break into the Top 40, peaking at 34.

Amazingly, prior to that, their highest charting album was Penguin at #49.

Here's the entire list...with the highest charting position:

Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (aka Dog & Dustbin): 198
English Rose: 184
Then Play On: 109
Kiln House: 64
Blues Jam At Chess (aka Fleetwood Mac In Chicago): 143
Future Games: 91
Bare Trees: 70
Black Magic Woman (reissue of Dog & Dustbin/English Rose as 2lp set): did not chart
Penguin: 49
Mystery To Me: 67
Heroes Are Hard To Find: 34
Vintage Years (reissue of Dog & Dustbin/Mr Wonderful as 2-lp set): 138
Fleetwood Mac: 1
Fleetwood Mac In Chicago (reissue): 118
Rumours: 1
Tusk: 4
Fleetwood Mac Live: 14
Mirage: 1
Tango In The Night: 7
Greatest Hits ('88): 14
Behind The Mask: 18
Time: did not chart
The Dance: 1
Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac: 12
Say You Will: 3

The Original Fleetwood Mac wasn't originally released in the US...don't know if, by the time it was, it ever was tracked for chart appearance...but it appears that it didn't make the US album charts, either.
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Amazingly, prior to that, their highest charting album was Penguin at #49.
I'm sure Chris will like me saying this but seriously I often wondered if this had to do with Walker joining since he was the lead singer for Savoy Brown at the peak of their popularity and SB fans heard he jumped ship and so they were curious to see what direction FM were going to go in (i.e. more like SB, and may have continued to follow them had Penguin sounded more like SB)? Just a thought.

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