Anyone here who still really likes Stevie Nicks?

[AncientQueen]

I really don't know where you were in the last 10 months, Sodascouts. I had 10minutes for this search and the server is reeeaaaalllllyyyy slow.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/search...earchid=702334

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/search...earchid=702334

In particular this one, but this is just the first that I found. No offence button-lip:
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...7&postcount=48

and LOL! This one is from jmn3, sure that has nothing to do with her being a woman.
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...9&postcount=27

The Destiny Rules documentary did the woman no favors in my view - but once the Say You Will tour was long over and she went on to bash Lindsey for the album and tour, I really lost any respect I had for her. As she keeps getting older, she honestly just comes across to me as a bigger and bigger narciscistic jerk.
She has become a bitter old woman who like most narcissists, finds a way to make every single event in some way about them.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...0&postcount=12

DISGUSTING that Tambourine B/witch is now running the show. WTF

The list goes on and on. You can use the search function yourself for further proof. I tried "b!tch", "Goat", "disgusting Stevie", you can search "misogynist" or "sexism" to see when people got called out for their behavior earlier.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by AncientQueen

I really don't know where you were in the last 10 months, Sodascouts. I had 10minutes for this search and the server is reeeaaaalllllyyyy slow.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/search...earchid=702334

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/search...earchid=702334

In particular this one, but this is just the first that I found. No offence button-lip:
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...7&postcount=48

and LOL! This one is from jmn3, sure that has nothing to do with her being a woman.
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...9&postcount=27


http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...0&postcount=12


The list goes on and on. You can use the search function yourself for further proof. I tried "b!tch", "Goat", "disgusting Stevie", you can search "misogynist" or "sexism" to see when people got called out for their behavior earlier.

You didn’t need to do this research but kind of shocking what a quick search reveals. Misogyny is all over this discussion board - anyone with a brain knows it. A shame that a positive thread like this is already headed down a nasty road but people like Homer can’t help themselves. For some reason they have made this all their life. It’s an obsession that makes it impossible for others to have an enjoyable conversation.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Buster

You didn’t need to do this research but kind of shocking what a quick search reveals. Misogyny is all over this discussion board - anyone with a brain knows it. A shame that a positive thread like this is already headed down a nasty road but people like Homer can’t help themselves. For some reason they have made this all their life. It’s an obsession that makes it impossible for others to have an enjoyable conversation.

I am NOT A MISOGYNIST, and this falls under personal attack.

Moderators?????

[mitzo]

I basically just come here to see what might be new with FM and Stevie, and try to stay out of the "discussions." Things are continually hijacked and the shocking barrage of insults and innuendo directed at Stevie and Mick and other posters coming from many here should have been stopped at some point. Continually calling people whores, goats, hags, and even twats is basically wrong, in my book but not the moderators.

As for "liking" Stevie I don't know what that means, really. As a person? As a singer? As a performer? I don't know. I love a lot of her music, I am continually frustrated by her lack of recording and her penchant for faux "rock".

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by mitzo

Things are continually hijacked and the shocking barrage of insults and innuendo directed at Stevie and Mick and other posters coming from many here should have been stopped at some point.

With all due respect to this perfectly understandable point of view, I strongly disagree, and urge moderators not to intervene.

I always try to put across my point of view respectfully but disagreement, combativeness, and–short of cursing–even crass language from others are just fine with me.

I generally don't like to see conversation stopped or censored, and certainly not because people are trashing rock stars who will never even read the comment at issue.

[secondhandchain]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I am NOT A MISOGYNIST, and this falls under personal attack.

Moderators?????

Buster is OBSESSED with accusing people of misogyny. Buster, just because we don't like Goat Breath as she let the last chance for a final FM album go, and then fired Lindsey Buckingham, doesn't mean we don't respect women. We don't respect goat breath or Mick money grubbing Fleetwood.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by secondhandchain

Buster is OBSESSED with accusing people of misogyny. Buster, just because we don't like Goat Breath as she let the last chance for a final FM album go, and then fired Lindsey Buckingham, doesn't mean we don't respect women. We don't respect goat breath or Mick money grubbing Fleetwood.

Yet he's? continually allowed to keep calling us that, over and over.

[DownOnRodeo]

I for one would like to see the end of all this goat bashing.

What have goats and their breath ever done to you, secondhandchain and David "Homer" McVie?

Call her by the name she deserves--"Stevie." (shudders)

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

I for one would like to see the end of all this goat bashing.

What have goats and their breath ever done to you, secondhandchain and David "Homer" McVie?

Call her by the name she deserves--"Stevie." (shudders)

Exactly. Old Goat Breath.

You do understand that we're allowed to talk about the band, even make fun of them if we like? But name calling Ledge members is forbidden. You understand the difference, right? RULES ARE RULES.

If you don't like $tevie being called Old Goat Breath... well, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to apologize to you or Old Goat Breath, because I'm within the rules of this board. Have a good evening, Joe.

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by AncientQueen

I really don't know where you were in the last 10 months, Sodascouts. I had 10minutes for this search and the server is reeeaaaalllllyyyy slow.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/search...earchid=702334

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/search...earchid=702334

In particular this one, but this is just the first that I found. No offence button-lip:
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...7&postcount=48

and LOL! This one is from jmn3, sure that has nothing to do with her being a woman.
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...9&postcount=27


http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...0&postcount=12


The list goes on and on. You can use the search function yourself for further proof. I tried "b!tch", "Goat", "disgusting Stevie", you can search "misogynist" or "sexism" to see when people got called out for their behavior earlier.

Those are angry at Stevie, but they aren't in the vein of "how dare she, she's just a woman" that you stated was prominent earlier. None of them are outraged that a woman is in charge. They are outraged that STEVIE is in charge.

The "goat" thing is tiresome and juvenile, but my impression was that it was a mockery of her voice, and not related to gender.

I despise the term "b!tch" but not because I think it's misogynist (unless you think all gender-specific insults are). That said, I would absolutely love it if it never got used again.

As for the ones you bolded as the most obviously misogynist:

The Destiny Rules documentary did the woman no favors in my view - but once the Say You Will tour was long over and she went on to bash Lindsey for the album and tour, I really lost any respect I had for her. As she keeps getting older, she honestly just comes across to me as a bigger and bigger narciscistic jerk.

"Did the man no favors" is a very common expression. Are you upset that he changed it to "woman" because Stevie is female? I actually think that's appropriate. It would sound odd to leave it as "man."

She has become a bitter old woman who like most narcissists, finds a way to make every single event in some way about them.

So he should have said "bitter old person"? People don't talk that way. We typically use gender specific nouns when we know the gender of the person we're discussing.

These examples of so-called misogynist language are petty feeble, frankly.

Originally Posted by FeatherBlade

I believe the "If she had just had children she probably wouldn't be such a bitter hag" comments a couple of people made fall into this bucket. As if anyone would have made this statement about any of the men in the band if they had chosen to forgo parenthood.

Now this one I will grant you. I remember objecting to it at the time as well. Ugh. So, I stand corrected on that score.

[sasja]

A jerk is a jerk.

Why couldn't a female be as much of a jerk as a man might be? That's equality in my book.
If anything, we are all being good feminists and giving Stevie her just rights to Jerk-dom, female or no.

[sasja]

Oh right, that again, I made that comment once I recall, she should have had that baby. I still stand by it. In the sense that becoming a parent, for ANYONE, in my opinion and experience, is a development unsurpassed.
But of a man I could never say: "he should have had that baby", due to the fact of non-existent male pregnancy. Thus far anyway.

Remember how she said she was going to adopt a little girl? Even that; she should have done it. Rather than just carrying around those yippy dog accessories.

So here's me, maintaining my opinion that, had she been forced to put another person before her spoilt princess self in her life by way of becoming a parent--- I honestly feel she would have aged much more palatable.

But I also believe that of men. However, here we were discussing Stevie Nicks. Who happens to be a woman. Sue me. I could not very well call her a dog. Or a man.

Goat, perhaps, yeah I know.

Anywho, MOO.

Carry on!

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by sasja

Oh right, that again, I made that comment once I recall, she should have had that baby. I still stand by it. In the sense that becoming a parent, for ANYONE, in my opinion and experience, is a development unsurpassed.
But of a man I could never say: "he should have had that baby", due to the fact of non-existent male pregnancy. Thus far anyway.

Remember how she said she was going to adopt a little girl? Even that; she should have done it. Rather than just carrying around those yippy dog accessories.

So here's me, maintaining my opinion that, had she been forced to put another person before her spoilt princess self in her life by way of becoming a parent--- I honestly feel she would have aged much more palatable.

But I also believe that of men. However, here we were discussing Stevie Nicks. Who happens to be a woman. Sue me. I could not very well call her a dog. Or a man.

Goat, perhaps, yeah I know.

Anywho, MOO.

Carry on!

I remember this well, and agree completely. It's NOT about her aborting her baby, it's about her learning to be a giving, unselfish person. Having a child will certainly do that. Or so I'm told. I mean, I hope to never find out personally. But I've heard stories about children. (Shudder)

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by sasja

Oh right, that again, I made that comment once I recall, she should have had that baby. I still stand by it. In the sense that becoming a parent, for ANYONE, in my opinion and experience, is a development unsurpassed.

But of a man I could never say: "he should have had that baby", due to the fact of non-existent male pregnancy. Thus far anyway.

Remember how she said she was going to adopt a little girl? Even that; she should have done it. Rather than just carrying around those yippy dog accessories.

So here's me, maintaining my opinion that, had she been forced to put another person before her spoilt princess self in her life by way of becoming a parent--- I honestly feel she would have aged much more palatable.

Someone hasn’t seen “Mommie Dearest.”