Show a little respect for Christine

[secret love]

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

[Storms123]

Originally Posted by secret love

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

From my perspective, Christine left of her own accord, and was not tossed out by the person who brought her into the band. And regarding Sheryl Crow replacing her, and someone please correct me if I am wrong, it was Lindsey who put the kibash on that. IMO, the 2 situations are not apples to apples comparisons. I will give her the respect she deserves for being the only member of the band to actually engage with Lindsey since Mick and Stevie fired him.
I also would say “replacing” him is not unforgivable, they’ve done it before. They also replaced Stevie. What’s unforgivable, for me as a fan, is LYING about why he was replaced. Band made a decision, own it!

[sue]

Originally Posted by secret love

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

On the surface, what you say is correct....
Big difference, Christine left them...
Lindsey was sacked.

[HomerMcvie]

There is NO comparison in what happened. Christine retired. Lindsey was fired. How in the hell can you not see the difference???

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

There is NO comparison in what happened. Christine retired. Lindsey was fired. How in the hell can you not see the difference???

I'm not surprised. Some people still can't understand that Lindsey was fired, so they still choose to say that he left.

The thread title cracks me up!

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by button-lip

I'm not surprised. Some people still can't understand that Lindsey was fired, so they still choose to say that he left.

The thread title cracks me up!

I agree. But they'll do or say anything to stand up for Old Goat Breath. "That MEAN MAN had to go!!!!!"

[jbrownsjr]

I thought I would get better with this situation as time ticked on. But honestly, what $tevie did is truly ugly and disgusts me more and more as I think about it. It's not so much the rallying of Mick and Irving that she and her crew accomplished; it's the silent treatment and the inhumane path it went down.

I still try to put myself in Lindsey's shoes. Getting the call and realizing they fired him without an explanation. a face to face conversation. or even a phone call. I can imagine him trying to sleep at night knowing he had been iced and ghosted by the very same people he has known for 40 years. I'm also willing to bet he and his wife had many sleepless nights. (His whole family most likely) Why would you put someone through that and then go on national tv and say, "It's because he didn't want to tour." Did $he have so much hate in her heart? Imagine doing that to someone, then lying about it to the world. We don't want to use the word fired? That actually makes sense because they didn't have the guts to fire him. They just moved on without contact.

And this giant revenge was done to the man that was a MAJOR player in $tevie's fruitful career. That's a bit ironic, no?

The more I try to get my head around this, the harder it is. I always knew she was a superficial, and entitled human being; but, I did not realize just how low she could sink.

As for Christine McVie. She had nothing to do with this, and I can't reasonably expect someone to take millions of dollars off the table and get involved in the Nicks' **** show. I'm pretty sure she quit the band for a week or two,(however, I haven't been able to verify it.) I don't even think even Lindsey would expect Christine to give up what she came back for. Christine came back from retirement to re-join Fleetwood Mac.

Final note: I don't think Christine sent that email to LB on accident. She was sending a message to him and the fans. I pray we get another BuckVie album. It's certainly possible. That email had to have sent shock waves thru the band......... errrrrrrrrrrrrr Stevie's crew.

[cbBen]

Yes, a firing is a difference in kind from a resignation.

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.

As was said elsewhere, 1997 was a reset.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by cbBen

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.

Christine is ESSENTIAL to FM for me. There's no balance without her.

BTW, I never saw your note in our DVD exchange, about Dave Grohl saying that $tevie's voice was "goat-like", until a couple days ago, when I was tossing the envelope. Tee hee. I think he was right!

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I never saw your note in our DVD exchange, about Dave Grohl saying that $tevie's voice was "goat-like", until a couple days ago, when I was tossing the envelope. Tee hee. I think he was right!

It was Keith Olsen who said it, in Grohl's Sound City documentary. I don't think he meant it as an insult (only a description).

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Christine is ESSENTIAL to FM for me. There's no balance without her.

BTW, I never saw your note in our DVD exchange, about Dave Grohl saying that $tevie's voice was "goat-like", until a couple days ago, when I was tossing the envelope. Tee hee. I think he was right!

So essential!! Look what came out of BuckVie's album. It's such an amazing album. I still listen to this heavily.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

So essential!! Look what came out of BuckVie's album. It's such an amazing album. I still listen to this heavily.

Agreed. I still listen to it at least once a week. I think it's one of their best. I'd rank them as:
#1 Rumours
#2 Tusk
#3 Mirage
#4 BuckVie
#5 White Album
#6 Tango
#7 Time
#8 Behind The Mask
#9 Say You Won't

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Agreed. I still listen to it at least once a week. I think it's one of their best. I'd rank them as:
#1 Rumours
#2 Tusk
#3 Mirage
#4 BuckVie
#5 White Album
#6 Tango
#7 Time
#8 Behind The Mask
#9 Say You Won't

And if you add Welch/Green albums #9 falls even further.

To say McVie isn't essential means people need to go back and listen to the early albums. She's a staple IMO. And yes, SYW is such a mess.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

And if you add Welch/Green albums #9 falls even further.

To say McVie isn't essential means people need to go back and listen to the early albums. She's a staple IMO. And yes, SYW is such a mess.

I'd put Mystery to Me right after Tusk, and Bare Trees after The White Album.

And yes, SYW is a train wreck.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I'd put Mystery to Me right after Tusk, and Bare Trees after The White Album.

And yes, SYW is a train wreck.

Christine is essential to MTM as she is Tango. Killer songs, killer piano, killer vocals, killer harmonies.