OOTC Tour 1992

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

as you said somewhere above - we don't have any proof of that. it's just a calculation that may or may not pan out if tried. i can almost guarantee you they would have been arena band. BuckVie without the name brand recognition were touring sheds, so FM brand?

Maybe bigger sheds, or maybe completely fill the sheds they played, but not arenas. The band has largely become synonymous with Stevie (which I’m not happy about).

of course they can tour arenas. many other bands of their era are touring without their best known members and still filling arenas, just on the brand alone.

Except the missing best known member, in most cases, isn’t actively working or is dead. Lindsey put a solo tour together after getting sacked that had zero impact on the Fleetwood Mac tour. If they had parted ways with Stevie, she could have easily put a solo tour together that would have completely derailed a Fleetwood Mac tour.

however, you are right that Mick and promoters didn't want to risk the unknown, just in case. they didn't want to in 2011/12 and didn't want to in 2018. and apparently you are similarly risk averse, or you think you'd be..

Again, there was no guarantee that a Fleetwood Mac tour would be successful without Stevie, but it was guaranteed that it would be with Stevie. Fleetwood Mac was a weaker brand in 1990 than in 2018, but they still managed to pack arenas without Lindsey, but with Billy Burnette and Rick Vito.

In any case, it’s not my band. I don’t know any of them. As for risk, if it had been up to me, they would have fired Dave Mason in ‘96 and gone on as a quartet with Bekka and Billy for at least one or two more albums. But, just as in 2018, money called.

what do you do? in their situation? when they already made millions on millions? you disband and keep the peace in the family. you keep the only legendary band with all classic-era members still around and able to perform intact. you don't break it up into pieces.

Or, they could just get two highly respected musicians and get the bag of money one last time. And, it’s hard to take the “keeping the classic lineup in tact” argument seriously when a lot of people, including Lindsey, thought of who they could get in place of Stevie during the 14-15 tour.

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

And, it’s hard to take the “keeping the classic lineup in tact” argument seriously when a lot of people, including Lindsey, thought of who they could get in place of Stevie during the 14-15 tour.

With whom did Lindsey speculate about replacing Stevie for 2014-15, and did he do so publicly? And was it because Stevie was reluctant to tour, then even with Christine back?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by cbBen

With whom did Lindsey speculate about replacing Stevie for 2014-15, and did he do so publicly? And was it because Stevie was reluctant to tour, then even with Christine back?

Fans at the hotel bar after shows, because of Stevie’s reluctance to record.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Maybe bigger sheds, or maybe completely fill the sheds they played, but not arenas. .

and of course bigger sheds with their lawns can take more people than arenas. so now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Except the missing best known member, in most cases, isn’t actively working or is dead.

nope i'm not talking about those cases. you have beach boys touring at the same time as Brian Wilson. GnR at the same time as Axl Rose (well, not this year, lol!). the list goes on. come on, you know better!

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Lindsey put a solo tour together after getting sacked that had zero impact on the Fleetwood Mac tour.

aren't you the same guy who was arguing to the end of the world and back how FM just had to fire Lindsey because he wanted to tour solo in between FM dates and therefore take away their revenue? and the rest of us were saying how that's absolute bs. glad you finally came over to our side, took you a while!

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Again, there was no guarantee that a Fleetwood Mac tour would be successful without Stevie, but it was guaranteed that it would be with Stevie. Fleetwood Mac was a weaker brand in 1990 than in 2018, but they still managed to pack arenas without Lindsey, but with Billy Burnette and Rick Vito.

nobody is disagreeing with that, that's why promoters voted to fire Lindsey instead of firing Stevie, it's a difference between a secure vs less secure deal. but FM could tour and fill arenas without Stevie, on the bases of their brand. a bit cheaper though. and maybe not sell out every show (which they didn't even with her anyway!). and there would be some disappointed people expecting Stevie leaving the show same as there were disappointed people about crappy sounding band all over Europe. yet fakewoods and promoters didn't care, they pocketed the money.

as for 1990, it was the time before the interwebs. people here talk about so many people going to the shows and not having any idea who will be in the band. apples and oranges - and again, you know better!