Stevie Joins The Voice - Page 6

PenguinHead · #76 07-13-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

Have people gone daffy? Stevie is smart. She sold out long ago and that is why Fleetwood Mac can sell out stadiums.

It this a bad thing, capitalizing on your work and legacy? She's still a viable artist, making new music, and is branching out in other areas.

I understand that she is not as prolific as some other artists, and I don't hide my criticism that she relies and dwells too much on her past glories. But she's got bills to pay, just like everyone else. Artists often have to balance their artistic proclivities with sound financial/business decisions. Working (and staying) in the entertainment world is no cake walk.

SpyNote · #77 07-14-2014, 03:23 PM

I think there are some misguided expectations here. Stevie is a legacy artist. She is not expected to be cutting edge or rebellious at this stage of her career. These are youthful ideals, not ones of a proven, established artist. She's already accomplished everything and more. This is the "retirement" phase of her career, so everything else she does at this point are just bucket list items. It's silly to say she's selling out because that is to suggest she has no other choice but to accept "her fate" as a guest mentor.

WatchChain · #78 07-14-2014, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dex

You, or whoever you hire. But with digital distribution it's fairly easy, as you can imagine.

Let's make no mistake, Stevie has a long history of making career choices based on commercial interest. While "selling out" isn't a phrase I'm fond of, if that's the one people are invoking, then so be it. When Stevie said "I don't want to sing other people's songs" back in 1981, and Jimmy Iovine said "Well, tough, because you won't sell any records if you don't put SDMHA on this album as the lead single", and she did what he said, that was a huge moment of "selling out" and has set the tone for many of her solo career choices since. There seem to be some revisionist historians in this thread.

While it is true that Jimmy Iovine advised Stevie to record "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" and release it as the lead single from "Bella Donna", I hardly consider this "selling out", at least in the terms that many artists in rock n roll history have sold out. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers were not only a well respected band in musician circles, but a band THAT STEVIE GREATLY ADMIRED and was almost obsessed with. She is jokingly referred to as "an honorary Heartbreaker". Moreover, the song itself is far from some cheesy pop song written by Diane Warren or Holly Knight. It is a solid track with a rock n roll sensibility that just works AND has stood the test of time. In my original post, I do acknowledge that Stevie has had brief brushes with attempting to record bland pop material as a means of achieving radio airplay, ("Love's A Hard Game To Play" by Cheez-Whiz king Bret Michaels being the worst offense). I do not deny that Stevie has, at times, walked this road. Thus, I don't feel that I'm attempting to REVISE the history of Stevie Nicks' career as much as simply stating my interpretation.

Stevie Nicks could have "sold out" many times throughout the 80's by recording bland pop songs by Diane Warren, Billy Steinberg, Tom Kelly, Holly Knight, Mike Chapman, etc.. These songwriters almost guaranteed hits in the 80's and I think her number of Billboard Top 40's hits in that decade would have been greater had she chosen to take this road. She was advised to record the predictably bland pop song "These Dreams" written by Martin Page and Bernie Taupin, and thankfully refused. The song eventually went to Heart during their 80's sellout phase. Ann and Nancy Wilson will now tell you that the 80's represented an artistic low point for them. Thankfully, Stevie didn't completely follow suit.

Steviegirl · #79 07-14-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WatchChain

While it is true that Jimmy Iovine advised Stevie to record "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" and release it as the lead single from "Bella Donna", I hardly consider this "selling out", at least in the terms that many artists in rock n roll history have sold out. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers were not only a well respected band in musician circles, but a band THAT STEVIE GREATLY ADMIRED and was almost obsessed with. She is jokingly referred to as "an honorary Heartbreaker". Moreover, the song itself is far from some cheesy pop song written by Diane Warren or Holly Knight. It is a solid track with a rock n roll sensibility that just works AND has stood the test of time. In my original post, I do acknowledge that Stevie has had brief brushes with attempting to record bland pop material as a means of achieving radio airplay, ("Love's A Hard Game To Play" by Cheez-Whiz king Bret Michaels being the worst offense). I do not deny that Stevie has, at times, walked this road. Thus, I don't feel that I'm attempting to REVISE the history of Stevie Nicks' career as much as simply stating my interpretation.

Stevie Nicks could have "sold out" many times throughout the 80's by recording bland pop songs by Diane Warren, Billy Steinberg, Tom Kelly, Holly Knight, Mike Chapman, etc.. These songwriters almost guaranteed hits in the 80's and I think her number of Billboard Top 40's hits in that decade would have been greater had she chosen to take this road. She was advised to record the predictably bland pop song "These Dreams" written by Martin Page and Bernie Taupin, and thankfully refused. The song eventually went to Heart during their 80's sellout phase. Ann and Nancy Wilson will now tell you that the 80's represented an artistic low point for them. Thankfully, Stevie didn't completely follow suit.

WatchChain, will you marry me?

Dex · #80 07-15-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WatchChain

While it is true that Jimmy Iovine advised Stevie to record "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" and release it as the lead single from "Bella Donna", I hardly consider this "selling out", at least in the terms that many artists in rock n roll history have sold out. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers were not only a well respected band in musician circles, but a band THAT STEVIE GREATLY ADMIRED and was almost obsessed with. She is jokingly referred to as "an honorary Heartbreaker". Moreover, the song itself is far from some cheesy pop song written by Diane Warren or Holly Knight. It is a solid track with a rock n roll sensibility that just works AND has stood the test of time. In my original post, I do acknowledge that Stevie has had brief brushes with attempting to record bland pop material as a means of achieving radio airplay, ("Love's A Hard Game To Play" by Cheez-Whiz king Bret Michaels being the worst offense). I do not deny that Stevie has, at times, walked this road. Thus, I don't feel that I'm attempting to REVISE the history of Stevie Nicks' career as much as simply stating my interpretation.

Stevie Nicks could have "sold out" many times throughout the 80's by recording bland pop songs by Diane Warren, Billy Steinberg, Tom Kelly, Holly Knight, Mike Chapman, etc.. These songwriters almost guaranteed hits in the 80's and I think her number of Billboard Top 40's hits in that decade would have been greater had she chosen to take this road. She was advised to record the predictably bland pop song "These Dreams" written by Martin Page and Bernie Taupin, and thankfully refused. The song eventually went to Heart during their 80's sellout phase. Ann and Nancy Wilson will now tell you that the 80's represented an artistic low point for them. Thankfully, Stevie didn't completely follow suit.

Just going back to your original comment, you seemed to suggest that Stevie's participation in the voice was unprecedented in its commercialism and inappropriate given the nature of her career, and I was simply disagreeing with that and cited one of many instances in which she admitted to making a completely commercial career choice. Let's face it, this happened more than a few times between RAL and SA, and not every song she chose for its commercial sound was as iconic as SDMHA. And hey, I like These Dreams, and I like a lot of Diane Warren songs. I don't accept your premise that those songs are inherently more sell-out-y than songs like SDMHA or Talk to Me (a song she admits to initially disliking when she first tried recording it).

My point is simply that while Stevie participating in The Voice may seem uncharacteristically commercial to you, I don't see it that way at all. And commercialism aside, she's gone on record saying she likes those shows, and is at an age where she can do what she likes.

PenguinHead · #81 07-15-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dex

My point is simply that while Stevie participating in The Voice may seem uncharacteristically commercial to you, I don't see it that way at all. And commercialism aside, she's gone on record saying she likes those shows, and is at an age where she can do what she likes.

If "selling out" equates with doing what you have to do
to keep doing what you love to do, then I have no issue with it. It's a balance between commercialism and artistry.

The music industry is a hard business that has gotten tougher to break into and sustain. Most marketing is geared to the youth culture, making it especially challenging for aging stars to maintain their livelihood. Stevie is doing exactly what she has to do to stay visible and viable. Most notably, her intentions are authentic.

Dex · #82 07-15-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead

If "selling out" equates with doing what you have to do
to keep doing what you love to do, then I have no issue with it. It's a balance between commercialism and artistry.

"Selling out", I think, is simply a way people choose to frame something if they want to respond with righteous indignation when an artist does something that they don't really like. It's a rather farcical and irritating phrase all around. But I think if you are going to choose to use it, you need to at least be consistent about it. And to me it's plainest definition is valuing commercial interest over artistic interest, and frankly, if putting a song that you don't even like on your record because you think it'll sell better isn't "selling out" then I don't know what is. Surely appearing on a reality show that you're a fan of would be far lower on the sellout scale.

What I'm getting from this thread is that people don't like Stevie appearing on The Voice because... Well... They don't like the show very much. And that's basically it. Which is fine as far as it goes. I just think trying to intellectualise it into something more than that and trying to spin things into a grand discussion about artistic integrity is a bit silly in this context.

MikeInNV · #83 07-15-2014, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead

If "selling out" equates with doing what you have to do
to keep doing what you love to do, then I have no issue with it.

I'm fine with Stevie appearing on The Voice, precisely because I don't think it's something she HAS to do in order to keep doing what she loves. To me it would be sad if she had to take a gig like that in order to pay her property taxes or something. That's always the feeling I get when a nearly forgotten celebrity turns up on a show like Hollywood Squares. But Stevie doesn't need money, and she's still raking in millions every year. She's doing The Voice because she wants to, and that's why I'm fine with it.

Macfanforever · #84 09-20-2014, 06:04 PM

I'm so lost with TV these days.I used to be up to date on the shows.

When is the Voice with Stevie premiere .

Or is it premiered already.

If I get the shows recorded .I can share them in this thread.

Note to the mods .Can you please relocate this thread to the Stevie forum.Sorry I goofed.

ViscountViktor · #85 09-20-2014, 06:06 PM

For us Brits that would be great.

BlueDenimLamp · #86 09-20-2014, 06:55 PM

Stevie Nicks Says the Team Adam "Voice" Contestants She Mentored Are Like Her "Children"

The new season of The Voice hasn’t even started yet, but all the scenes featuring the mentors working with each coach’s team have already been recorded. Stevie Nicks, whom you’ll see working with Adam Levine‘s team this season, says she became so attached to the contestants, she feels like their mom.

“I feel very invested in these kids,” Nicks says in the current issue of OUT magazine. “I feel like I have sent 12 children into the world…they are so nervous that you are nervous for them.”

Asked about the advice she gave the contestants, Stevie reveals, “The best thing I actually said to all of them was, ‘No matter what happens after this, just this day, never forget about it. It’s a dream come true. Take everything that happens today and tomorrow with you for the rest of your life and just totally dig on it, and tell everybody the story…because these kinds of times never come again.’”

As for whether or not she and Lindsey Buckingham would have auditioned for The Voice had it been around in their pre-Fleetwood Mac days, when they were a struggling duo, Nicks laughs and says, “I would have dragged Lindsey kicking and screaming. However, yes, we would have. If that was the only way we could get our music across, then no doubt.”

She adds, “He would have hated it, but he would have done it. I would have said, ‘There is no backing out of this — this is the way it is going to be.’ Because one time somebody might see you and say, ‘That girl should be in my movie’ or ‘That guy should be in the next Geico commercial,’ right?”

Stevie’s new solo album, 24 Karat Gold, arrives October 7. It’s a collection of songs she wrote between 1969 and 1987, but never recorded. She tells OUT that her favorite is “Mabel Normand,” about a real-life 1920s silent movie star who was a cocaine addict, as Nicks herself was. Normand died in part from her addiction, so Stevie wrote the song as a kind of cautionary tale.

“I wanted it to be something that somebody having a problem with drugs can sit down and listen to 5,000 times,” she says. “Try to let it be an epiphany for you, 18-year-old person that is doing a lot of coke and smoking heroin and taking ecstasy and is on a dead-end road to hell…I want them to hear the word ‘cocaine’ and think ‘brain hemorrhage, beauty gone, lines, aging, fat.’”

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The new season of "The Voice" starts September 22 on NBC...