Has Stevie's decision to not record new FM album affected the way you feel about her?

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Yes, Tango was their second best-selling album (especially in Europe) but Stevie's songs were lackluster; here we aren't talking about sales, or at least I hope so, but we are talking about quality, and to me an album must have consistent quality throughout all the songs. Tango is a good album that however had a much greater potential, it could have been a timeless classic but it was tarnished by many little things that prevented part of its success.
I really think that if Stevie had been more present and had submitted better songs and had worked longer on them, if Lindsey hadn't been on the verge of quitting Fleetwood Mac and if all of them had gone on the road together and in much better shape, then this album would have had about the same success rate of Rumours.

Well there was nothing wrong with the quality of Lindsey's and Christine's songs. They easily surpassed her. Makes you wonder if that is the real reason she doesn't want to do it. She has nothing new to offer.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SorcererJP

No, my fandom/opinion doesn't change.

To put in another perspective. These 4/5 people have not made any new music in about 15 years (ok, there was an EP). But toured 4 times since, without having an album out.

exactly, and 3/5 and then 4/5 have pushed for new music most of those years, since at least 2009. we knew since 2010 that Stevie didn't want to record with Fleetwood Mac, so why change opinion about her now.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Well there was nothing wrong with the quality of Lindsey's and Christine's songs. They easily surpassed her. Makes you wonder if that is the real reason she doesn't want to do it. She has nothing new to offer.

Maybe it is, who knows, after all she doesn't put out something newly written since 2011. However I think she probably has tons of older songs to submit if she really wants to.
But my point was, why forcibly putting out an album if not all the songs are very good, especially at this point of their career?

[aleuzzi]

It has not changed the way I feel about her individually, but I am sad to see she is refusing to let the Mac swansong be what it could be.

Still, if she is so traumatized (and her behavior does read like a reaction to trauma) by the prospect of working with Lindsey in this way, then, godspeed.

One of the other options in the survey should be: "No, but I am REALLY annoyed with the remaining four for not embracing the situation and proudly moving ahead with the project." They might be finishing the album as we speak, but it's all so secretive, as if doing so were a dirty thing.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Tango is a good album that however had a much greater potential, it could have been a timeless classic but it was tarnished by many little things that prevented part of its success.
I really think that if Stevie had been more present and had submitted better songs and had worked longer on them, if Lindsey hadn't been on the verge of quitting Fleetwood Mac and if all of them had gone on the road together and in much better shape, then this album would have had about the same success rate of Rumours.

that's a lot of ifs!

i have no clue what potential are you talking about. Tango actually turned out much better than one would expect considering the circumstances (although i personally don't care too much for it), and that's really on the strength of Christine's collection of songs that became huge hits. i would expect that Lindsey and Christine together, nowadays, based on the strength of Lindsey's most recent songwriting, and expectations that Christine still has the same songwriting knack she always did, have created an album that is much stronger than Tango (and will of course sell 1/100000000 of what Tango did, but will stay as band's statement of artistic integrity for posterity).

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Maybe it is, who knows, after all she doesn't put out something newly written since 2011. However I think she probably has tons of older songs to submit if she really wants to.
But my point was, why forcibly putting out an album if not all the songs are very good, especially at this point of their career?

Well Lindsey's and Christine's songs matter. Screw Stevie. Maybe all the songs will great if she doesn't contribute.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Maybe it is, who knows, after all she doesn't put out something newly written since 2011. However I think she probably has tons of older songs to submit if she really wants to.
But my point was, why forcibly putting out an album if not all the songs are very good, especially at this point of their career?

exactly. there's no reason to force her to be on the album if she doesn't feel she can appropriately contribute. i'm glad the other 4 finally came to that conclusion, at least as far as we know.

FM 40 year old drama is wearing thin, time to put it behind and finally be adults.

2011 is IYD, right? there is no new music written by SN on that album. i'm guessing her last new music was on SYW. and unlike Christine and Lindsey who happily jumped into collaborating and co-writing, Stevie seems weary of trying that with either one of them.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Well there was nothing wrong with the quality of Lindsey's and Christine's songs. They easily surpassed her. Makes you wonder if that is the real reason she doesn't want to do it. She has nothing new to offer.

BINGO!!!!!!!!

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by elle

that's a lot of ifs!

i have no clue what potential are you talking about. Tango actually turned out much better than one would expect considering the circumstances (although i personally don't care too much for it), and that's really on the strength of Christine's collection of songs that became huge hits. I would expect that Lindsey and Christine together, nowadays, based on the strength of Lindsey's most recent songwriting, and expectations that Christine still has the same songwriting knack she always did, have created an album that is much stronger than Tango (and will of course sell 1/100000000 of what Tango did, but will stay as band's statement of artistic integrity for posterity).

Yes, that was the point, Tango turned better then you'd expect given the curcumstances but then that means that it could have been even much better; obviously there were good hits but I also don't care for some songs but I'm talking about albums as a whole and I think a good album should be organic and all the songs should be of good level, in contrast to an album that has just two or three hits and then the rest is fillers. That is artistic integrity for posterity in my opinion. If this is achieved with or without Stevie honestly I don't care much if this is what they all want.

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Well Lindsey's and Christine's songs matter. Screw Stevie. Maybe all the songs will great if she doesn't contribute.

They're the only one that matter if they're also the only songwriters present in the album.

Originally Posted by elle

2011 is IYD, right? there is no new music written by SN on that album. i'm guessing her last new music was on SYW. and unlike Christine and Lindsey who happily jumped into collaborating and co-writing, Stevie seems weary of trying that with either one of them.

It depends on what you mean by new music written. The music was really all written by Dave Stewart. The lyrics were in most cases either partially old and partially new or short poems that were put together and turned into songs during the making of the album. Only Secret Love and Annabel Lee were truly very old songs in In Your Dreams, the rest is all music produced after her previous album.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

It depends on what you mean by new music written. The music was really all written by Dave Stewart. The lyrics were in most cases either partially old and partially new or short poems that were put together and turned into songs during the making of the album. Only Secret Love and Annabel Lee were truly very old songs in In Your Dreams, the rest is all music produced after her previous album.

yes, that's what i mean.

all new music was written by Dave Stewart, so we didn't get any new music written by Stevie in 2011.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

It has not changed the way I feel about her individually, but I am sad to see she is refusing to let the Mac swansong be what it could be.

Still, if she is so traumatized (and her behavior does read like a reaction to trauma) by the prospect of working with Lindsey in this way, then, godspeed.

One of the other options in the survey should be: "No, but I am REALLY annoyed with the remaining four for not embracing the situation and proudly moving ahead with the project." They might be finishing the album as we speak, but it's all so secretive, as if doing so were a dirty thing.

Well no, actually they haven't really been that secretive. They've openly said they've been recording off and on for a while. They posted pictures a while back of Chris and Lindsey in the studio. They said they'd be back in the studio in October. There was a picture recently released by another musician of him meeting Mick and Lindsey in the studio. They've given interviews in which they've said an album's worth of material is nearly finished. They've revealed the names of several songs.

Not sure what exactly you expect of them. I'm sure they'd like to be a bit more concrete about things but I reckon that's because they are careful about what to say because of Stevie. They are obviously at work and don't need to be giving interviews or twitting intermittently.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by elle

yes, that's what i mean.

all new music was written by Dave Stewart, so we didn't get any new music written by Stevie in 2011.

Well, then it she didn't write music even on Say You Will since she doesn't really write music ever in that way I meant. The lyrics and melodies were hers.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Well, then it she didn't write music even on Say You Will since she doesn't really write music ever in that way I meant. The lyrics and melodies were hers.

I hate when she plays piano. I cringe.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I hate when she plays piano. I cringe.

she used to be okay... listen to her playing on her demo of Sisters of the Moon... but I think she got lazy.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

Well, then it she didn't write music even on Say You Will since she doesn't really write music ever in that way I meant. The lyrics and melodies were hers.

new melodies on IYD were hers?

i believe there were new melodies on SYW written by her. her new songs there were not cowrites, she was the sole songwriter. i'm not talking about arrangements, or lyrics.