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Old 02-24-2020, 09:30 PM
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Mind his P’s and Q’s?
Yes. Look at what not doing so got him. There’s a time and place to let one’s feelings be known and to be assertive. Lindsey picked the absolute worst time to do either.

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As far as the 2000s go, Lindsey was clearly more central to the band and its mission than Stevie.
The band’s central mission is making money, so I’m sure they wouldn’t agree.

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He was the one instigating new work — and meeting a brick wall. He was available when Stevie stepped away for IN YOUR DREAMS and then for her lackluster collection of previously-unused demos. He was their musical and creative driving force—but not their cash draw.
Saint Lindsey. He was instigating new work, but it wasn’t that important to the other three. Lindsey has done the least amongst them throughout his career. He’s released exactly two more solo albums than Christine since 1997. Think about that. From 1997-2004, Peter Green was significantly more productive than Lindsey.

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Stevie knew and used her power to leverage him out of the band. It’s pretty darn obvious to even the casual observer.
Maybe. But Stevie wouldn’t have just decided to kick him out of the band without a reason, and Mick wouldn’t have just gone along with it if, all things being equal, he felt strongly about it. They all like money too much to risk jeopardizing their earning potential by breaking up their legendary lineup, so I don’t doubt it was a bad situation.

I’m not a casual observer. Lindsey’s attitude, especially towards Stevie, seemed to change after Christine came back. He started letting his guard down more, and that’s a dangerous thing to do when you have an adversarial relationship with the one who has sold 30 million albums outside of the band.

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And while casual listeners and observers might have been willing to fork over $ to see the imposters‘ jamboree, any of the genuine fans know the difference between what they were and what they’ve become.
Or, like me, maybe they were sick of the fake Stevie-Lindsey play, the same tired setlist, and the excessive use of prerecords and saw something valid in what they were at least initially attempting. I’m glad I got to see the initial vision for the tour, because it was pretty spot-on and would never have happened with Lindsey. I’m disappointed that it devolved into the usual.

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And arguments about how the band has always morphed and always taken on change as its primary identity aren’t viable in 2020.
To a point I agree. However, if Stevie would agree to do an album, Finn and Campbell would easily prove their creative value to the band.

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They might have been in 1987–and even then they would have had to have found more creative replacements...
Are you seriously suggesting Billy Burnette and Rick Vito are more creative than Neil Finn and Mike Campbell? I can’t imagine better, more appropriate choices for Fleetwood Mac, except maybe Richard Thompson.
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right? why exactly would he need to do something like that? just give up and brown-nose for a few dollars more when you are 68 years old, wealthy, creative and full of energy?
More like a few million more.

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if those are your options, carrying your head up high (especially when you can afford it without hurting your family!) vs alternative is definitely the preferred option for any human with self worth.
Hold your head up, rise above it...Sure, that’s why he sued.

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yeah yeah, we know that there are others in that band (or contracted by it) who chose the alternative, whether they had to or not. and apparently Mike Campbell is now crying that his little theater tour as a completely unknown is not providing him big jets and expensive hotels he likes.
So when Lindsey wanted to make a Fleetwood Mac album, it was for art, but when Mike wants to make a Fleetwood Mac album, it’s because he’d rather be treated like a rock star (as if he’s not already a critically acclaimed Hall of Famer). Of all people, I would think Lindsey Buckingham fans would understand Mike Campbell’s frustration about Fleetwood Mac not making new music, maybe even moreso. I would totally want to record with the longest running rhythm section in rock, plus talents like Neil Finn and Christine McVie. (I didn’t mention Stevie because he’s worked extensively with her already.).
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Old 02-24-2020, 10:17 PM
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Of all people, I would think Lindsey Buckingham fans would understand Mike Campbell’s frustration about Fleetwood Mac not making new music, maybe even moreso..
seriously?

Mike has no history of making music as Fleetwood Mac, so why would he be frustrated about something he was never a part of all of the sudden now at 70? he can make as much music as he wants with his other bands, Fleetwood Mac is not holding him back and telling him to wait and convert his new music to FM albums.

and apparently, unlike Lindsey, he doesn't like playing his new music that nobody knows. very unlike Lindsey who LOVES to play new music to people!

waiting for Rhiannon movie to be finished. Mike''s safe. he's got 40+ years to do whatever he wants.
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Mike has no history of making music as Fleetwood Mac, so why would he be frustrated about something he was never a part of all of the sudden now at 70?
Because he’s a member of Fleetwood Mac, now, and would like to make new music with them?

I mean, Mike is a student of rock and appreciates that he’s working with rock’s longest running rhythm section.

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he can make as much music as he wants with his other bands, Fleetwood Mac is not holding him back and telling him to wait and convert his new music to FM albums.
Which is exactly what he’s doing. And, he wasn’t suggesting that they were holding him back, just that it would be great to make an album with them.

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and apparently, unlike Lindsey, he doesn't like playing his new music that nobody knows. very unlike Lindsey who LOVES to play new music to people
I’d love to know how you deducted that from anything he said.
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Old 02-24-2020, 10:37 PM
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More like a few million more.

Hold your head up, rise above it...Sure, that’s why he sued.
you answered your own question - hold your head up high, not having to eat sh*t, prove you are right - and still get that same money.
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he wasn’t suggesting that they were holding him back, just that it would be great to make an album with them.
you are clearly misreading his quotes. like Viv said on the other page - he's saying that new FM music is coming as soon as pigs fly. or Rhiannon movie gets made. whichever's first.
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So Steve, should Mike mind his P's and Q's. and quit complaining that he wants to record new music? Is this the theory you speak of that rocks the corporate boat?

Here's my Bottom line: Sleezy Nicks went to mgmt over a long standing hatred, and she got him fired.

The rest of all of this is all crap.
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Trying to justify the nonsense that has occurred over the last two years with anything but Stevie hates Lindsey and got him fired is basically just blatantly ignoring facts that are staring everyone right in the face.

IMO, she's hated him for years. The Dance was required to reboot any of their careers and make money. He went and got married and had kids which was just a slap in the face to her. I think the inflection point where their relationship never recovered was clearly during Say You Will. That whole Bob Dylan thing, the fights about the album length, etc. It's why she's never really recorded with him again (at least not an album). Christine's return coupled with Tom's death gave her the opening she needed to execute her final F-U to Lindsey, and that's exactly what she did. She knows how to play Mick and where to hit him hard, and that's right in his wallet. A Stevie-less Fleetwood Mac won't sell out arenas (ironic, since Stevie solo without a band like The Pretenders or Rod Stewart on the bill, can't do it either). That means less money for Mick. She knew that Mick would never give up the gravy train for a less amount of gravy. And she knew that the McVie's would, with little argument, go along with Mick eventually.

That this happened in 2018 is just a joke. Anyone trying to carry the "The Mac always changes lineups" tune into the third decade of the 21st century is either pushing a narrative or is detached from reality. They aren't a band anymore. They're a touring act. There is no "band"...they have recorded nothing together, have done nothing creative, other than ride off the coattails of the band's previous work. At least with the original band in tact, you are seeing living legends recreate their own work. Seeing Neil Finn try to sing Go Your Own Way while Stevie Nicks grasps that mic stand and sings the "packing up, shacking up" lines to him is just embarrassing and tacky. Say what you want about Burnette and Vito, but at least they fairly quickly recorded music and a full length album within a couple years. This version of the band will be forgotten by history.
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you are clearly misreading his quotes. like Viv said on the other page - he's saying that new FM music is coming as soon as pigs fly. or Rhiannon movie gets made. whichever's first.
Actually, that was painfully clear. I read it as he’d really like to, but Stevie doesn’t want to. Just like in 2015-17.

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So Steve, should Mike mind his P's and Q's. and quit complaining that he wants to record new music? Is this the theory you speak of that rocks the corporate boat?
Mike doesn’t have the same history with Stevie. They don’t have an adversarial relationship. It’s the same reason Mick and Christine waltzing at MusiCares didn’t rub Stevie the same way as Lindsey. Furthermore, Mike has contributed to all of her solo albums and holds the Heartbreakers card, so he probably has more leeway.

But Mick, Christine, Neil, and now Mike have let it be known that they want to make new music. Just like in 2015-17.
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Just like in 2015-17.
2012-2017.

and that's just the years FM actually did make new music together. not the ones they just wanted to.
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That means less money for Mick. She knew that Mick would never give up the gravy train for a less amount of gravy. And she knew that the McVie's would, with little argument, go along with Mick eventually.
Yeah. They had two choices, the difference between the choices was at least $6 million, for doing the exact same core songs. If you’re Mick and John, isn’t it really just one eccentricity vs. another and, all things being equal, you’d rather have more to show for the exact same amount of effort?

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Anyone trying to carry the "The Mac always changes lineups" tune into the third decade of the 21st century is either pushing a narrative or is detached from reality.
Or is a fan of the overall body of work. Lindsey didn’t make significantly more albums with Fleetwood Mac than Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, or Bob Welch.

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They aren't a band anymore.
Which was true as early as 1981.

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They're a touring act. There is no "band"...they have recorded nothing together, have done nothing creative, other than ride off the coattails of the band's previous work.
Yep. Mick, John, Christine, and Stevie have recorded nothing together.

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Say what you want about Burnette and Vito, but at least they fairly quickly recorded music and a full length album within a couple years. This version of the band will be forgotten by history.
It was a different time. They were coming off their second most successful album in 1990. The current version of Fleetwood Mac could have easily made a good album prior to the tour, just like in 2014.
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and that's just the years FM actually did make new music together. not the ones they just wanted to.
Difference being Christine returning in 2014. After 2015, after what we thought was the cycle for 24KG, the prospects of a new Fleetwood Mac album seemed more realistic.
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Difference being Christine returning in 2014. After 2015, after what we thought was the cycle for 24KG, the prospects of a new Fleetwood Mac album seemed more realistic.
a-ha. they were just waiting until Stevie Nicks does her Rhiannon film.
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a-ha. they were just waiting until Stevie Nicks does her Rhiannon film.
Pretty much.

Neil and Mike are just as ready to make a Fleetwood Mac album as Lindsey was, only Mike seems more realistic about the chances of it actually happening. What pisses me off is Stevie telling Sheryl Crow that she had to keep making albums on Ellen.
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and that's just the years FM actually did make new music together. not the ones they just wanted to.
I don't understand this. What are you saying here?
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