Mick admits FM lied & Lindsey was telling the truth all along (Mojo)

bombaysaffires · #1 03-21-2019, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

It's good that Chris has a life, sailing, gardening, friends.

I really don't think that Stevie is still a good stage performer, if you're not in love with her. I always remember her past energy. Maybe it was fueled by cocaine, but I think it was just youth and exuberance. It was natural, like she couldn't contain herself. I remember video where she would jump and she wouldn't even have to bend her knees. It was almost as if she just levitated off the ground for a few seconds in platform heels. It was so effortless.

Now, it's not effortless and instead of changing her performance, like she changes the key to adapt to her current capabilities, she tries to give a nod to the old spins, kicks and physical stunts and they usually strike me as silly, rather than sensational, as in days of yore. More attempt than achievement.

But I still like the songs, so the concerts would still be worth it for those, if I hadn't written her off.

What I love about this quote from Christine is that it is such a passive-aggressive swipe at Stevie...disguised as a compliment about her strength but really a dig at how limited her life is. She's all over the map on where she stands on Stevie, Lindsey, and everything. She has no bones to pick with Lindsey, but she'll agree to fire him. Stevie is a great brand holding the fort down, but she's a spoiled star living not in the real world.

HomerMcvie · #2 03-21-2019, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

What I love about this quote from Christine is that it is such a passive-aggressive swipe at Stevie...disguised as a compliment about her strength but really a dig at how limited her life is. She's all over the map on where she stands on Stevie, Lindsey, and everything. She has no bones to pick with Lindsey, but she'll agree to fire him. Stevie is a great brand holding the fort down, but she's a spoiled star living not in the real world.

I agree with this, 100%.

While it was a ......"compliment"(cough), it was a total DIG at $tevie not having ANY kind of life, outside of stardom, and surrounded by her yes people.

And yet I still don't give Chris a pass for the firing of Lindsey. I never will. Sucking up after the fact just isn't enough. Nice try, though. Too bad you didn't save the day. Superwoman, indeed. Too little, too late.

Her legacy is being a wuss!

TrueFaith77 · #3 03-21-2019, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I agree with this, 100%.

While it was a ......"compliment"(cough), it was a total DIG at $tevie not having ANY kind of life, outside of stardom, and surrounded by her yes people.

And yet I still don't give Chris a pass for the firing of Lindsey. I never will. Sucking up after the fact just isn't enough. Nice try, though. Too bad you didn't save the day. Superwoman, indeed. Too little, too late.

Her legacy is being a wuss!

Exactly! “Nobody gives me ultimatums. I’m Christine motherf’ing McVie”

Instead, it was: “oh, y’all fired Lindsey without even giving me a head’s up? Democracy is cool!!”

aleuzzi · #4 03-23-2019, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

And yet I still don't give Chris a pass for the firing of Lindsey. I never will. Sucking up after the fact just isn't enough. Nice try, though. Too bad you didn't save the day. Superwoman, indeed. Too little, too late.

Her legacy is being a wuss!

I get your position but I don't think Christine haters realize the extent of the power she lost in the sixteen years she was absent. She rejoined a legacy corporation that enables her to play and sing her old songs with old friends. Those friends are really Mick and John and, to some extent, Stevie.

Even during the making of BuckVie and the press interviews that followed, she made a distinction between his being her musical collaborator and not someone she socializes with. She wants her cake and to eat it, too: creativity and friendship, but when push comes to shove one trumps the other...and that is loyalty to Mick.

Do I wish she had returned from England and said "Hell no." Absolutely. But, in reality, what would that have accomplished? She wanted to tour. Had she said "Not without Lindsey" the likelihood is that the whole engine would have crapped out. The decision between Stevie and Lindsey was Mick's to make and he made it for all-too obvious reasons. Yes, Christine went along with it out of fear and greed, but really, what would her resistance have accomplished? She is not networked with management the same way Stevie is, and she's still rambling on about how happy she was to return after 16 years. She simply doesn't have that "guiding hand" Stevie once said she had. That to me is sad. But I don't hate her and I don't think she's a wuss. I think she simply hitched her wagon to a trainwreck.

michelej1 · #5 03-23-2019, 12:18 PM

I think Mick simply meant, “with all deference to Lindsey” meaning he bows down to him for his contributions to the band, BUT ...

Christine did not just choose to side with her “friends”, she wasn’t even civil to Lindsey. That’s the thing. Whether he was your best buddy or not, when you’ve known someone that long and they are pushed out of a group that they dedicated their life to, you can reach out to them. Your lawyer may tell you not to, but he’s not going to kill you if you do.

When a person you know and have just toured with has just had emergency open heart surgery, you call them. You wish them well when you are on stage singing songs he produced.

She could have made a business decision while still acting like a flesh and blood human being.

HomerMcvie · #6 03-23-2019, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

I think Mick simply meant, “with all deference to Lindsey” meaning he bows down to him for his contributions to the band, BUT ...

Christine did not just choose to side with her “friends”, she wasn’t even civil to Lindsey. That’s the thing. Whether he was your best buddy or not, when you’ve known someone that long and they are pushed out of a group that they dedicated their life to, you can reach out to them. Your lawyer may tell you not to, but he’s not going to kill you if you do.

When a person you know and have just toured with has just had emergency open heart surgery, you call them. You wish them well when you are on stage singing songs he produced.

She could have made a business decision while still acting like a flesh and blood human being.

They just want to sell tickets, and have decided that ignoring the issueS is the best way.

Even if it makes them look like callous, heartless, ass faces. Which it does!

button-lip · #7 03-23-2019, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

I think Mick simply meant, “with all deference to Lindsey” meaning he bows down to him for his contributions to the band, BUT ...

Christine did not just choose to side with her “friends”, she wasn’t even civil to Lindsey. That’s the thing. Whether he was your best buddy or not, when you’ve known someone that long and they are pushed out of a group that they dedicated their life to, you can reach out to them. Your lawyer may tell you not to, but he’s not going to kill you if you do.

When a person you know and have just toured with has just had emergency open heart surgery, you call them. You wish them well when you are on stage singing songs he produced.

She could have made a business decision while still acting like a flesh and blood human being.

THIS! Only God knows how many hours of their lives this 5 people shared. Good and bad, I don't care. On a certain level, they bonded. Lawyers and corporate decisions shouldn't matter when the life of someone you have known for so long is in danger.

But it was silence…. or awkward and politically correct messages to him. Nothing else. And that's why they're all dead to me. And it should be the same to Lindsey.

elle · #8 03-23-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by button-lip

THIS! Only God knows how many hours of their lives this 5 people shared. Good and bad, I don't care. On a certain level, they bonded. Lawyers and corporate decisions shouldn't matter when the life of someone you have known for so long is in danger.

But it was silence…. or awkward and politically correct messages to him. Nothing else. And that's why they're all dead to me. And it should be the same to Lindsey.

publicly. and more spitting all over him.

but we don't know whether they reached out privately. which i agree would not nearly be enough, but just want to be fair.

button-lip · #9 03-23-2019, 09:23 PM

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publicly. and more spitting all over him.

but we don't know whether they reached out privately. which i agree would not nearly be enough, but just want to be fair.

Well, as far as March 10th, this "nice people" haven't reached out to him, according to his wife. I mean, if he still didn't know why he was fired, it's safe to assume none of them took some time out of their tight schedule to call someone they have known for more than 40 years to know how he is.

elle · #10 03-25-2019, 07:31 PM

some spinoff articles, not sure whether they were posted somewhere or not. it's funny how every article spins the info in a different way sometimes completely contradicting. guess that's what Mick was going for with his wordvomit.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/19/fleet...e.top.facebook

Fleetwood Mac confirm Lindsey Buckingham was ditched over Stevie Nicks feud
Emma KellyTuesday 19 Mar 2019 11:16 am Share this article via facebook

Lindsey and Stevie had a massive falling out (Picture: Steven Ferdman/Getty Images)

Mick Fleetwood and Christine McVie have confirmed that they chose to ditch Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac due to his feud with ex Stevie Nicks. Guitarist Lindsey left the band last year under acrimonious circumstances, later claiming that he had been fired by Stevie. It was reported that Stevie – who had a long-running romantic relationship with Buckingham while in the band – was furious about his ‘smirking’ behaviour at a MusiCares benefit gig, and refused to share a stage with him ever again. Initially, Mick Fleetwood said that Buckingham left the band because he would not sign off on a tour they were planning – but he has now admitted his deteriorating relationship with Stevie was to blame.

Mike Campbell and Neil Finn have replaced Lindsey (Picture: JB Lacroix/WireImage)

Speaking to Mojo, the 71-year-old said: ‘Support really could not be given to ask the situation to continue. It was too challenging. ‘The truth is, call it what you want, a parting of company took place, and it had to take place, and it was supported by the remaining band members around something that for sure was a major problem to two people – Lindsey and Stevie.’ Christine, 75, added: ‘It was the only route we could take, because there was too much animosity between certain members of the band at that point, there was just no way it could’ve gone on as a five-piece, a group with Lindsey in the band. So it was either just completely break up the band or make the best of it.’

MORE: FLEETWOOD MAC Fleetwood Mac's Lindsey Buckingham undergoes open heart surgery

Buckingham was replaced by Mike Campbell, formerly of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and Neil Finn of Split Enz and Crowded House. He went on to sue his former bandmates in October 2018, claiming breach of fiduciary duty, lost earnings and breach of oral contract. However, a settlement was reached at the end of the year. Buckingham underwent open heart surgery in February, and suffered damage to his vocal cords in the process.

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elle · #11 03-25-2019, 07:33 PM

and another one...

https://www.wonderwall.com/news/flee...4c0PHHD1-Dm18A

FIRING SQUAD
FLEETWOOD MAC MEMBERS DISH ON LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM'S 2018 'FIRING'
By Mark Gray Wonderwall 10:15am PDT, Mar 20, 2019

For Fleetwood Mac to continue being the legendary band that they are, the group had no choice but to part ways with Lindsey Buckingham, which they did last year.

In a chat with Mojo, Mick Fleetwood said it was "too challenging" to have former lovers Stevie Nicks and Lindsey in the group, admitting that a "parting of company" was the only choice.

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"We were not happy. It is no secret that Lindsey and Stevie are in a continuum Liz Taylor/ Richard Burton type of life, and it went in and out of valleys and mountaintops and God knows what through the years - that support really could not be given to ask the situation to continue. It was too challenging," he said. "Someone in some interview said, 'What'd you do, fire him?' You can say that if you want but I think that's an ugly word, knowing what this man has done in the ranks of Fleetwood Mac…"

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Last year, Lindsey was kicked out of Fleetwood Mac. He eventually sued the the band and reached a settlement. Afterward, Lindsey was eventually replaced by Mike Campbell and Neil Finn.

"The truth is, call it what you want, a parting of company took place, and it had to take place, and it was supported by the remaining band members around something that for sure was a major problem to two people - Lindsey and Stevie," Mick said.

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Keyboardist Christine McVie feared the band would have to "completely break up" if Lindsey wasn't shown his walking papers.

"For whatever reasons, a lot being personal, it was the only route we could take, because there was too much animosity between certain members of the band at that point, there was just no way it could've gone on as a five-piece, a group with Lindsey in the band," she said. "So it was either just completely break up the band or make the best of it."

Still, Christine says is was a "really bad time" for the group and for her personally, as she had no problem with the guitarist.

"I loved working with him but I did see the point and I did see what the problem was," she said. "And you know, we're a democracy and we have to kind of make the best of a bad job. As it turns out, what we have now is better than what we ever had before."

aleuzzi · #12 03-24-2019, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

I think Mick simply meant, “with all deference to Lindsey” meaning he bows down to him for his contributions to the band, BUT ...

Christine did not just choose to side with her “friends”, she wasn’t even civil to Lindsey. That’s the thing. Whether he was your best buddy or not, when you’ve known someone that long and they are pushed out of a group that they dedicated their life to, you can reach out to them. Your lawyer may tell you not to, but he’s not going to kill you if you do.

When a person you know and have just toured with has just had emergency open heart surgery, you call them. You wish them well when you are on stage singing songs he produced.

She could have made a business decision while still acting like a flesh and blood human being.

Yeah, you're right. It is disappointing. Beyond.

elle · #13 03-23-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Do I wish she had returned from England and said "Hell no." Absolutely. But, in reality, what would that have accomplished? She wanted to tour. Had she said "Not without Lindsey" the likelihood is that the whole engine would have crapped out. The decision between Stevie and Lindsey was Mick's to make and he made it for all-too obvious reasons. Yes, Christine went along with it out of fear and greed, but really, what would her resistance have accomplished? She is not networked with management the same way Stevie is, and she's still rambling on about how happy she was to return after 16 years. She simply doesn't have that "guiding hand" Stevie once said she had. That to me is sad. But I don't hate her and I don't think she's a wuss. I think she simply hitched her wagon to a trainwreck.

it would have accomplished a few things:

band would have needed to rethink Lindsey's firing.
band would have to go back to managers and say - Christine is out if Lindsey is out (John should have done the same and say he's out) , and managers would have to reassess the strategy when 2 out of 3 singer-songwriters are out.
they may have ended up disbanding. which would be better than what they did now. Christine could have toured with Lindsey just like they planned to do in between FM dates. so the reasoning that she wouldn't be able to play music is bogus.

or they may have ended up having to do some group therapy to get everyone on the same page.

Stevie may have bluffed, or maybe she was really ready to leave the band:

if she bluffed she would come back.
if she didn't, they could have toured as 4, wouldn't have had to hire anyone new, and could have added some fresh BuckVie music. we could have had another BuckVie album almost done by now. they would have been selling out sheds instead of arenas.

possibilities are endless, if Christine (and John) had some spine. friendship to Mick? what about Mick's friendship to Christine and John? it's a 2-way street.

Christine presented it in Mojo interview as the only possibility presented to her after they told her that they fired Lindsey was either disband or she needs to come back. she cannot be that stupid to really believe that. but maybe she is.

Storms123 · #14 03-23-2019, 05:31 PM

[QUOTE=elle;1251000]it would have accomplished a few things:

band would have needed to rethink Lindsey's firing.
band would have to go back to managers and say - Christine is out if Lindsey is out (John should have done the same and say he's out) , and managers would have to reassess the strategy when 2 out of 3 singer-songwriters are out.
they may have ended up disbanding. which would be better than what they did now. Christine could have toured with Lindsey just like they planned to do in between FM dates. so the reasoning that she wouldn't be able to play music is bogus.

or they may have ended up having to do some group therapy to get everyone on the same page.

Stevie may have bluffed, or maybe she was really ready to leave the band:
if she bluffed she would come back.

if she didn't, they could have toured as 4, wouldn't have had to hire anyone new, and could have added some fresh BuckVie music. we could have had another BuckVie album almost done by now. they would have been selling out sheds instead of arenas.

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They should have called her bluff. She wouldn't have walked. Her RRHOF induction is in the middle of the FM tour--they are conveniently on the East Coast at the time. Yes I know Irving Azoff is "magical" and part of the coven but this all seems soooo fortuitously planned. I doubt it was a case of "Lets make sure we are on the east coast in March 2019 just "in case she gets in". She was in period and it was probably known by people long before she was "actually in" She's getting more publicity around the induction because of the tour. They should have called her bluff!
She and Mick are really good about getting the media to pay attention to them. Stevie moreso than Mick, just because she's actually more relevant than he is. She makes everything about her. That's why is SOOOO curious they have really shut her up on the publicity front for this tour. It's a completely extreme from last tours. She makes everything about her---and she will make "The great reconciliation" about her too. Whether there is one or not---she will tell the tale there was one. And Mick (Mr. Sloppy Datey) will jump on the bandwagon. It will tie into the narrative she's told for years too well.

michelej1 · #15 03-22-2019, 12:11 AM

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What I love about this quote from Christine is that it is such a passive-aggressive swipe at Stevie...disguised as a compliment about her strength but really a dig at how limited her life is. She's all over the map on where she stands on Stevie, Lindsey, and everything. She has no bones to pick with Lindsey, but she'll agree to fire him. Stevie is a great brand holding the fort down, but she's a spoiled star living not in the real world.

I think it was around the IYD publicity, not sure, but remember when Stevie said she couldn’t date this guy because if they went out in public she wouldn’t want to be seen with him because she’s ... Stevie Nicks. She doesn’t even have other friends any longer, unless you count celebrity fan girls like Vanessa.