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Old 07-15-2018, 11:39 PM
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With who? The man who wouldn't join FM unless she was included? The man who produced songs like Gypsy? That man? Can't stand that OLD GOAT.
Again, look at my signature. THAT should be the current lineup.

Itís not.

Lindsey even gave up on it and ultimately made a Fleetwood Mac album that wasnít credited to Fleetwood Mac.

Stevie should have been gone a while ago. It didnít happen, it wonít happen, and the band is playing on with her, without Lindsey, and with good artists. Thatís the reality, and it could be worse, at least from the perspective of the band Ď67 to today.

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Stevie practically never has fun making music with anyone. She's clashed/fallen out with almost all of her producers and has complained about other people she's worked with.
Iíve certainly never credited her with being a professional. Sheís a brilliant backing vocalist, but I donít think she works well with anyone who sees her less than a legend on par with, letís say Bob Dylan.

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But she could never do that with Lindsey since he was a member of the band too-- and he was the member who got most of the work done-- so she had to stay working with him for years because she didn't have the power/ability to fire him. Until now it seems.
And, by calling it LBCM instead of Fleetwood Mac and saying it just felt like a duet album, he gave her that power.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:55 PM
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And, by calling it LBCM instead of Fleetwood Mac and saying it just felt like a duet album, he gave her that power.
Lol Lindsey wasn't the one that gave her that power. Stevie earned it herself through her popularity and had it sealed in the post-Dance era. After that point in time, there's no record company/promoter/manager/anything that would support a 'Fleetwood Mac' anything if Stevie was choosing to sit it out. I'm pretty sure that if Lindsey was able to call it Fleetwood Mac he would have. But that just was never going to happen and anyone who genuinely thought that was possible is delusional. Mick crying to the press about his band being totally dead because Stevie was obsessed with her solo career and didn't want to tour in 2012 should've made that very clear. You can make a case for Lindsey going along with the 'this was never supposed to be a FM album' thing in the press but by then it was already done anyways and that was just probably so they wouldn't get too many questions that would leave them on tricky territory. If you listen to the full audio of the Rolling Stone interview, at the end of it the interviewers are talking to each other, one of them very directly says that the last time he talked to Lindsey, Lindsey had said he wants to do a Fleetwood Mac album but Stevie is holding it up because she doesn't.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:24 AM
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Lol Lindsey wasn't the one that gave her that power. Stevie earned it herself through her popularity and had it sealed in the post-Dance era.
Yes, she completely earned being a successful artist outside of Fleetwood Mac all on her own. It’s not like she sang on a hugely successful duet with Kenny Loggins. And, apparently we’re supposed to forget that her first “solo” hit was a TPATH song she overdubed herself on, followed up with a duet with Don Henley. But, it’s all Stevie.

And, it’s not like Christine wasn’t retired for the better part of a generation, but we’re not supposed to talk about that, either, right? We’re totally supposed to forget that the 2014-15 tour was bigger than the 2013 tour, right?

Christine and Lindsey didn’t focus so much on being seen as entities outside of Fleetwood Mac. Why would they? Christine had the lion’s share of hit singles.

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After that point in time, there's no record company/promoter/manager/anything that would support a 'Fleetwood Mac' anything if Stevie was choosing to sit it out.
Yes, Atlantic would much rather have released LBCM than a Fleetwood Mac album that featured 4/5 of the classic lineup, including the band’s primary hit writer.

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I'm pretty sure that if Lindsey was able to call it Fleetwood Mac he would have.
I don’t disagree. But if we’re being puritanical, he should have just quit and gone his own way if it wasn’t going to be credited to Fleetwood Mac. Really, he isn’t any further along right now.

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lMick crying to the press about his band being totally dead because Stevie was obsessed with her solo career and didn't want to tour in 2012 should've made that very clear.
Except that Christine, who had half of Fleetwood Mac’s top 40 hits, and 3/5 of their top 5, was still retired at that point. When she came back, all bets should have been off.

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You can make a case for Lindsey going along with the 'this was never supposed to be a FM album' thing in the press but by then it was already done anyways and that was just probably so they wouldn't get too many questions that would leave them on tricky territory.
Completely agree. Doesn’t make it right, or ultimately beneficial to him. What did he gain by not simply being honest? LBCM suffered by not being credited to (rightfully) Fleetwood Mac, and Lindsey still got fired though he never called out Stevie during the pressers. Someone, ultimately Mick, but probably with the input of lawyers and industry types, discouraged it, and Lindsey lost a little credibility as a result.

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If you listen to the full audio of the Rolling Stone interview, at the end of it the interviewers are talking to each other, one of them very directly says that the last time he talked to Lindsey, Lindsey had said he wants to do a Fleetwood Mac album but Stevie is holding it up because she doesn't.
He said something about grabbing the bag of money and running, too.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:10 AM
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Yes, she completely earned being a successful artist outside of Fleetwood Mac all on her own. Itís not like she sang on a hugely successful duet with Kenny Loggins. And, apparently weíre supposed to forget that her first ďsoloĒ hit was a TPATH song she overdubed herself on, followed up with a duet with Don Henley. But, itís all Stevie.

And, itís not like Christine wasnít retired for the better part of a generation, but weíre not supposed to talk about that, either, right? Weíre totally supposed to forget that the 2014-15 tour was bigger than the 2013 tour, right?

Christine and Lindsey didnít focus so much on being seen as entities outside of Fleetwood Mac. Why would they? Christine had the lionís share of hit singles.



Yes, Atlantic would much rather have released LBCM than a Fleetwood Mac album that featured 4/5 of the classic lineup, including the bandís primary hit writer.



I donít disagree. But if weíre being puritanical, he should have just quit and gone his own way if it wasnít going to be credited to Fleetwood Mac. Really, he isnít any further along right now.



Except that Christine, who had half of Fleetwood Macís top 40 hits, and 3/5 of their top 5, was still retired at that point. When she came back, all bets should have been off.



Completely agree. Doesnít make it right, or ultimately beneficial to him. What did he gain by not simply being honest? LBCM suffered by not being credited to (rightfully) Fleetwood Mac, and Lindsey still got fired though he never called out Stevie during the pressers. Someone, ultimately Mick, but probably with the input of lawyers and industry types, discouraged it, and Lindsey lost a little credibility as a result.



He said something about grabbing the bag of money and running, too.
I dont know how to quote all of this separately and I'm really tired of posts like this but anyways:
First of all I wasn't making a statement about how Stevie became so popular. Just that she did become that popular, more so than the other members and she is. She by far had the most successful solo career and to most people, she's the main 'recognizable' person that represents Fleetwood Mac. I'm not even saying that I think that's how it should be, but it is and that's why she has power. Because she puts butts in seats more than any other member. Christine coming back obviously was a great thing for lots of people which helped make the last tour such a hit. But the tours without her also did very well. A FM tour without Stevie would not sell that way. That's why promoters were willing to axe Lindsey if it meant making Stevie stay. Because they can do okay with another member gone again and they did in the past, but they won't sell they way they want without Stevie.

And yes they absolutely would lol. All a record company will think about when they imagine an FM album without Stevie is the people who won't buy it and the people who would if it did have Stevie. Because for all those casual fans, when they see an album titled under 'Fleetwood Mac' and they don't see Stevie, they're going to be confused because to them Stevie is like the Mick Jagger of FM. They wouldn't buy a Rolling Stones album without Mick and so they won't buy a FM album without Stevie. But an LB/Chris duet isn't called Fleetwood Mac. It doesn't have that problem. It's going to have a very similar buying group and probably sell less yes, but in the end, they don't have to worry about 'This Fleetwood Mac album would've sold way better had Stevie been on it', because they didn't call it Fleetwood Mac and didn't market it as FM either-- probably a big part of why they kept repeating over and over the 'this was never supposed to be a FM album' line.

And I totally disagree that Lindsey should've just quit the band lol. He's given so much of his life to that band, while he was no doubt frustrated about how things were going, he's like 70 years old and to have left at the point would've just 'tarnished the legacy' as he said. But maybe had he known that he'd get kicked out and it would be tarnished in a much worse way anyways, he might have. Who knows. That's a big 'what if'.

And Lindsey was talking about the Classics shows when he said that. I'm not sure what that has to do with any of this. There's a pretty big difference between those shows and an album. Those shows got a lot of bad reviews all of which basically said 'this feels like an oldies cash grab' so it's really not a surprise Lindsey wasn't happy during them. I was actually surprised when I saw how many negative reviews the whole thing got. But it's not like he's gonna quit his damn band over two shows. Hence why he just said, referring to that situation, take the money and go. But that comment from the RS interviewers shows he wasn't exactly hiding the fact that he did want an album and Stevie was blocking it.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:30 PM
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If you type "Fleetwood Mac" into Google and then do a "news" search, the only new information that comes up is Neil-Finn based. Little bits of him saying the same thing over and over about the surprise of getting the call. These micro-stories are trickling in alongside news of HIS upcoming album.

Ironically, FM appears to be on complete hiatus until Finn has worked out his solo commitments, etc. So, no touring, no new music, no stories, no clarifications, no side collaborations (ie: LBCM 2)--instead, these aging people are languishing through yet another year without much momentum or new work.

The most disappointing part of all this for me is Christine's silence. When she reemerged from retirement, she claimed to have "dozens" of songs, a claim backed also by Fleetwood and Nicks. Well, the first LBCM was delightful. But, ultimately, I'd really like to hear 10-12 new Christine songs on a single album before, well, she gets too old to record or dies. How else could I say this politely?
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:36 PM
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If you type "Fleetwood Mac" into Google and then do a "news" search, the only new information that comes up is Neil-Finn based. Little bits of him saying the same thing over and over about the surprise of getting the call. These micro-stories are trickling in alongside news of HIS upcoming album.

Ironically, FM appears to be on complete hiatus until Finn has worked out his solo commitments, etc. So, no touring, no new music, no stories, no clarifications, no side collaborations (ie: LBCM 2)--instead, these aging people are languishing through yet another year without much momentum or new work.

The most disappointing part of all this for me is Christine's silence. When she reemerged from retirement, she claimed to have "dozens" of songs, a claim backed also by Fleetwood and Nicks. Well, the first LBCM was delightful. But, ultimately, I'd really like to hear 10-12 new Christine songs on a single album before, well, she gets too old to record or dies. How else could I say this politely?
The best chance for some of those new Christine songs to see the light of day would be if Neil focuses his attention on producing and helping write a Fleetwood Mac album.
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The best chance for some of those new Christine songs to see the light of day would be if Neil focuses his attention on producing and helping write a Fleetwood Mac album.
Let's hope they can make some time to get together soon to at least put a couple of new songs together. The tour stops close to me are still so far off that I haven't purchased my tickets yet. Some new music in the coming months would be great!

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The best chance for some of those new Christine songs to see the light of day would be if Neil focuses his attention on producing and helping write a Fleetwood Mac album.
Sugar Mouse.... As an aside what are your thoughts on Kristen confirming that Lindsey never wanted to delay the tour at all? I assume you have seen her messages on Instagram?
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Stevie...by far had the most successful solo career and to most people, she's the main 'recognizable' person that represents Fleetwood Mac.
BECAUSE SHE’S THE ONLY ONE WHO SOUGHT A VIABLE SOLO CAREER!!! Why would Christine invest energy on a solo CAREER when she already had seven top 40 singles with Fleetwood Mac, an entity she was much more invested in and much more successful in as a songwriter than was Stevie?

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Christine coming back obviously was a great thing for lots of people which helped make the last tour such a hit. But the tours without her also did very well.
But not as well with the tours WITH her. Ticket prices and butts in seats say otherwise. I remember hearing how a tour WITH Christine so soon after a tour without Christine would completely bomb. Didn’t happen, and was quite the opposite.

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A FM tour without Stevie would not sell that way.
Not suggesting otherwise. It WOULD have done better than LBCM, though.

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That's why promoters were willing to axe Lindsey if it meant making Stevie stay. Because they can do okay with another member gone again and they did in the past, but they won't sell they way they want without Stevie.
Yes. Who do promoters want, the big name or the guy who only had three hits with the band? Duh.

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And yes they absolutely would lol. All a record company will think about when they imagine an FM album without Stevie is the people who won't buy it and the people who would if it did have Stevie.
You clearly know nothing about branding. Fleetwood Mac is a brand. The most recognizable voice with most of that brand’s best known songs is Christine McVie. She had half of their top-40, and three of their top-5, two being actual duets with Lindsey and the other “Little Lies,” so this notion that Atlantic world rather release LBCM over FM is completely laughable. Eighty percent of the band and eighty percent of the voices of eighty percent of Fleetwood Mac’s biggest hits did an album together. Sure, let’s call it something else. Because people are willing to give something new a try. And, if Stevie’s right and people don’t buy albums anymore, why would it really matter?

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Stevie is like the Mick Jagger of FM. They wouldn't buy a Rolling Stones album without Mick and so they won't buy a FM album without Stevie.
LOL!!! Mick sang like all but a few RS songs. Stevie didn’t even have the most hit singles with Fleetwood Mac, not by a long shot. That analogy is a complete fail. If anything, she’s the Neil Young of CSNY. Now, CSN is still a viable entity without Neil, just not AS viable.

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but in the end, they don't have to worry about 'This Fleetwood Mac album would've sold way better had Stevie been on it', because they didn't call it Fleetwood Mac and didn't market it as FM either-- probably a big part of why they kept repeating over and over the 'this was never supposed to be a FM album' line.
Sure. Because Fleetwood Mac never released an album without an active, principle member of the band before. Let’s just jam out to Jeremy’s songs on “Then Play On.” Oh, wait…

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And I totally disagree that Lindsey should've just quit the band lol. He's given so much of his life to that band, while he was no doubt frustrated about how things were going, he's like 70 years old and to have left at the point would've just 'tarnished the legacy' as he said.
Not his legacy. He could have just said he refused to compromise. If it wasn’t going to be Fleetwood Mac, ESPECIALLY after all he had done, he was done. EFF a bunch of that!

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And Lindsey was talking about the Classics shows when he said that. I'm not sure what that has to do with any of this.
Really? Promoters (including his now ex-manager) are trying to sell overpriced tickets for a crappy knock-off festival and one of the artists kind of takes a verbal dump on it, saying it’s only about the money, and then plays the show accordingly (per reviews), and you don’t get it?

By agreeing to settle for calling a Fleetwood Mac album something other than Fleetwood Mac, by talking down upcoming Fleetwood Mac shows, by giving less than stellar performance at what had to be Fleetwood Mac’s biggest paydays of the year, and by suggesting a concurrent solo tour, Lindsey had already given up on Fleetwood Mac.
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Jesus ****ing Christ even this forum has to be taken over by the bitter assholes?
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Neil Finn's new song (with his son Liam) was just released this week and it's called "Hold Her Close". The song would sound great with Stevie on lead vocals and Neil/Christine on harmony vocals. In fact, they could simply record their version of the song and post it to Spotify and YouTube and that would generate some serious buzz. Here is Neil's version which will be on the new album coming out August 24. Stunning song ...

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Neil Finn's new song (with his son Liam) was just released this week and it's called "Hold Her Close". The song would sound great with Stevie on lead vocals and Neil/Christine on harmony vocals. In fact, they could simply record their version of the song and post it to Spotify and YouTube and that would generate some serious buzz. Here is Neil's version which will be on the new album coming out August 24. Stunning song ...

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Thanks for this. I'm glad you didn't stay away.
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And I'm already positive Silver Springs will never be performed again. Not by any FM lineup or by Stevie herself.
I agree. She has never performed it without him. Not once.
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Neil Finn's new song (with his son Liam) was just released this week and it's called "Hold Her Close". The song would sound great with Stevie on lead vocals and Neil/Christine on harmony vocals. In fact, they could simply record their version of the song and post it to Spotify and YouTube and that would generate some serious buzz. Here is Neil's version which will be on the new album coming out August 24. Stunning song ...

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Pretty song, thanks for sharing.
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