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Old 02-08-2008, 02:03 PM
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Well said, Jake.
Yes, very well said. I am glad that your reason go beyond gender, color etc...that is refreshing to hear...and gives me a little bit of hope in the process
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Old 02-08-2008, 02:09 PM
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Yes, very well said. I am glad that your reason go beyond gender, color etc...that is refreshing to hear...and gives me a little bit of hope in the process
Thanks, but I'm still mad at you. As you recall, originally I was part of the grassroots populist movement to "Draft Clancy in '08" as a third party candidate, but nothing came of it. It seems he has it too good in Colorado (where somebody spoils him) & he no longer cares about us little people.
So I decided just to vote for the other blond. I'm deep that way.

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Old 02-08-2008, 02:12 PM
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clancy/bearwithhair 2012!!!!
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Old 02-08-2008, 02:27 PM
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His IQ is 91? Where did you see his WAIS-R results. Moreover, last I checked, he compltes 99% of his sentences publicly uttered, thgough he had laid about 100 humdingers over the last eight years
His public speaking skills have gotten much better than in the first couple of years of his presidency when we rarely saw him at all. I'm not sure what to attribute it to. He seems to have been let off the leash a bit since Rove left.
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Old 02-08-2008, 02:31 PM
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I do submit, though, that anyone who could fly a fighter plane has an IQ greater than that alleged. However, it is possible the drug and booze abuse lessened the IQ over time.
Are we really sure he ever flew? I mean, other than to Columbia?
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:42 PM
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His public speaking skills have gotten much better than in the first couple of years of his presidency when we rarely saw him at all. I'm not sure what to attribute it to. He seems to have been let off the leash a bit since Rove left.

They turned up the volume on his earpiece. Now he can hear them feeding him his lines better.
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:50 PM
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I don't think this is true.
It's not totallly true. I did some searching & found out that basically, the deficit will never really be down to zero - we owe too many people money. BUT it was more balanced under Clinton than it had been in a long time. This article is old, and it's basically a statement from the White House so it's not exactly unbiased, but here it is:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...inton.surplus/

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Old 02-08-2008, 04:58 PM
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Thanks, but I'm still mad at you. As you recall, originally I was part of the grassroots populist movement to "Draft Clancy in '08" as a third party candidate, but nothing came of it. It seems he has it too good in Colorado (where somebody spoils him) & he no longer cares about us little people.
So I decided just to vote for the other blond. I'm deep that way.

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Well Clancy was upset because her supporters kept getting her gender wrong. This bothered her and because of it she had a really hard time garnering enough support from women voters.

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Old 02-11-2008, 11:40 AM
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Creeping ever closer.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...RtV8QD8UN6MQ80

But Ohio & Texas are coming soon, so she may end up pulling way into the lead with those 2 states. I did hear that she fired her campaign manager - what's that about?
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Creeping ever closer.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...RtV8QD8UN6MQ80

But Ohio & Texas are coming soon, so she may end up pulling way into the lead with those 2 states. I did hear that she fired her campaign manager - what's that about?
Judging from her overwhelming losses in today's "Potomac' primaries,she lost even among women and hispanics , she MUST win big in both of those states or she will likely lose the nomination ..Obama is now ahead in delegates even with her superdelegate advantage ..and of course that too could change and very soon.
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:22 AM
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She needs to win Texas and Ohio.

If they split them, which is likely given the demographics of Texas, then all eyes will go to the usually anti-climatic April 22 Pennsylania primary, which will be the determinant.

Interestingly, both camps turned down the attacks on each other and are focusing on McCain, which is smart IMO.

Again, I think she is the most qualified, but I voted for Obama in the Georgia primary because despite my skeptcism about his lack of experience and relative naivitee - his position on things most reflects mine.

Finally, I love the word Obamentum - it should go miles in adding to his campaign.
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Interesting read from www.nytimes.com

February 13, 2008
News Analysis
Surging, Obama Makes His Case
By ADAM NAGOURNEY
WASHINGTON — The lopsided nature of Senator Barack Obama’s parade of victories on Tuesday gives him an opening to make the case that Democratic voters have broken in his favor and that the party should coalesce around his candidacy.

Mr. Obama’s triumphs capped a week in which he went undefeated in states across the country, in many cases by big margins, over Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

And his strength on Tuesday sliced across nearly every major demographic line, with one element standing out: in Virginia and Maryland, according to surveys of voters leaving the polls, he beat Mrs. Clinton among women.

The sheer consistency of Mr. Obama’s victories over the last few days certainly suggests that many Democratic voters have gotten past whatever reservations they might have had about his electability or his qualifications to be president.

Mr. Obama, in his victory speech in Madison, Wis., acted almost as the primaries were behind him, offering a case against the probable Republican nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona, as he spoke disparagingly of “Bush-McCain Republicans.” It amounted to a preview of what an Obama-McCain race might be like, and it reduced Mrs. Clinton, at least for one night, to the role of bystander.

“John McCain is an American hero,” Mr. Obama said before a huge, cheering crowd. “We honor his service to our nation. But his priorities don’t address the real problems of the American people, because they are bound to the failed policies of the past.”

Mr. McCain picked up the challenge. While not mentioning Mr. Obama by name, he offered an unmistakable put-down of the theme that has become so closely identified with Mr. Obama.

“To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people is not a promise of hope,” he said. “It is a platitude.”

To make sure no one had missed the message, Mr. McCain appropriated Mr. Obama’s signature line with a sly farewell to his own audience in Alexandria, Va. “My friends,” he said. “I promise you, I am fired up and ready to go.”

Even before his latest victories, Mr. Obama, of Illinois, had whittled away at the advantages amassed last year by Mrs. Clinton.

He now enjoys a big financial advantage. Her big lead in national polls is gone. By most counts, Mr. Obama can now claim more delegates pledged to him. He has won far more states than Mrs. Clinton, although she won some of the big prizes, like California and New Jersey.

For weeks, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama had approached this race the same way: as state-by-state trench warfare, in the belief that the nomination would go to whoever got the most delegates.

But the latest results suggest that the race might be tilting back to a more normal form, where the goal is achieving a series of splashing victories and thus momentum. That has provided Mr. Obama with the opportunity, which he plans to seize in a more full-throated way starting on Wednesday, to argue that voters across a wide cross-section of the country have embraced his candidacy, and that the time has come for the group that could hold the balance of power, those 796 unpledged superdelegates — party leaders and elected officials who have an automatic seat at the national convention — to follow suit.

“We are in a momentum phase of the process now,” said Tad Devine, a Democratic consultant.

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers dispute that, noting that his victories have come in relatively small states and that she has invested most of her attention in two big contests coming up on March 4: Ohio and Texas. Her aides have long argued that by the end of the voting, the difference between the two candidates in delegate count would be minimal, leaving the final decision to superdelegates, who in their view would favor Mrs. Clinton.

But if party leaders begin to think this is no longer simply a mathematical race to the 2,025-delegate line, that could have big consequences for Mrs. Clinton.

For one thing, if this is an election where a candidate wins by virtue of being seen as winning — a definition of momentum — that would mean that voters in coming states would be influenced by the outcome of earlier races. And Mr. Obama might then be in a position to encroach on Mrs. Clinton’s firewall of Texas and Ohio.

Perhaps most problematically, the delegate selection process — in which delegates are allocated to the candidates in proportion to how many votes they win — could now begin to work against Mrs. Clinton. Both candidates get a share of the delegates, even if one wins by a margin of 20 points. That is a reason Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama had stayed so close on delegate numbers, and why it becomes harder for her to reclaim a lead.

But whatever challenges Mrs. Clinton faces, she has repeatedly proved to be a resourceful candidate with a sharp campaign organization and a passionate base of supporters. Should she win in Ohio and Texas, she could halt Mr. Obama’s claim to momentum and keep the race for pledged delegates from breaking against her. And there has been a history in this campaign of Mr. Obama winning, only to have Mrs. Clinton return and win.

“You can’t make a judgment until Ohio and Texas,” said Jonathan Prince, who was a senior adviser to John Edwards of North Carolina, who quit the race two weeks ago. “In this campaign, every time he has surged ahead, voters take a pause. If momentum keeps slamming into a wall, than you do have to come down to the numbers.”

Still, in the end, those two things are not unrelated. The next contest is Tuesday in Wisconsin, where some polls suggest that Mrs. Clinton is trailing, meaning it may be two weeks after that before she has a potential to put herself in a favorable light again.

At a time when Mr. Obama will be announcing that his train is leaving the station — and pointing to the relatively clear field that Mr. McCain has on the Republican side in urging Democrats to unite behind him — that could prove to be an awfully long two weeks for the Clinton campaign.
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I wish I had Ann Coulter's phone number. She is da bomb! I'd love to chat with her.
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