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We, as "Chifffon Heads" as some people like to call us, aren't separating anybody into groups. We have been forced to band together, though, in order to stick up for what we believe. I don't think anybody has questioned Lindsey's talent. I adore Lindsey. He is definitely talented, and although I used to not like his solo stuff so much, I am definitely coming around. Especially w/the latest GOS demos. See, I think that's where the problem is. All of these debates are a matter of OPINION. Someone's dislike of Stevie, or Lindsey is OPINION. Not fact. Saying that Lindsey has talent, is OPINION. Saying Stevie has talent is OPINION. But while the "chiffon heads" usually readily admit this, the Lindseyheads don't. They swear it as fact that the man has talent, and that Stevie doesn't. That Stevie would be nothing without Lindsey, yada yada yada. The truth is, NO ONE knows that. That is an OPINION. Who knows, maybe she would have went FARTHER without him, if he hadn't sat on his rear playing guitar all day and night while she supported him. Maybe she, if she had spent that time concentrating on HER career, would have ten number one albums by now...or twenty...or thirty. lol. Who knows??? It's all OPINION. And guesswork.
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I also happen to like his songwriting and I think he has written some masterful lyrics, despite some stinkers. We can base our arguments about lyrics on our own opinions of what we like or dislike. Therein the issue. Because writing and (barely) singing is all Stevie does, the unending debate about her talent versus Lindsey's will be perpetuated forever. While some of Lindsey's talents are undeniable, much of what makes Stevie great to some is entirely up to debate based on subjectivity. This is why the "subjective" term is often bandied about by Stevie defenders. That's all they have. |
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Okay...see, you missed my point. That's my fault, lol...after reading over what I posted. I worded a few things wrong. What I meant was that yes, it is a matter of "opinion", if you like Lindsey's or Stevie's work. And yeah, it is fact that he is talented. BUT...so is Stevie. And that is FACT, also. The woman has many solo albums out, to her credit. If she didn't have talent, we never would have seen or heard Wild Heart, RAL, OSOTM, SA, TISL, etc. Now, whether or not you LIKE it is your opinion. But to say that she is not talented, or that Lindsey is a hundred times more talented than she is, is wishful thinking, and "your" point of view. See, in my opinion, I think her songwriting and her singing outweigh Lindsey's guitar playing any ol' day. That's my opinion. And my point. Their level of talent IS subjective.
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Fussin' and fightin'
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I'd like to remind everyone that this is a private message board - not a public one - and to add a request that everyone who hasn't read the F.A.Q. Rules and Guidelines for posting, please do so before you post again. In his own inimitable way, CarneVaca made some good points about strikes for unacceptable behavior in posting - particularly the one about calling the moderators "fascists". It is absolutely unnecessary to be rude and insulting in order to state your opinion. These arguments about Stevie vs. Lindsey have been going on for years on The Ledge and to my knowledge nobody's mind has ever changed, and probably never will. As Johnny Stew said - it's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it. Thanks, Barbara
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Hmmm...
Where would S&L be if they didn't join FM?
If they couldn't make it as Buckingham Nicks, I would guess that Stevie would be a teacher. She would still be writing marvelous songs, but no one would hear them. Lindsey would probably be working at his dad's old coffee plant. He would still be fiddling with his guitar, but neither of them would be anywhere without the other. It was THEIR talent that got Mick interested, and it was THEIR talent that brought FM more into the limelight. Hmm, just my opinion. Love, Jo and Jensen
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Hey, what happened to our young friend, anyway. Did he get bounced? Last edited by Barbara; 08-18-2002 at 05:47 PM.. |
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No, he didn't get bounced - hopefully he's busy reading the F.A.Q. Barbara
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Stevie vs. Lindsey
The Stevie vs. Lindsey arguments, who's the "best", who's the most talented, etc. always bothered me because they are such totally different artists. Even their career goals were different. They've always been competitors - but I think that was a personal thing in their particular situation. The old "apples and oranges" cliché comes to mind.
I wonder if they had never been in a band together, would anybody have ever tried to compare these two people? Why would they? And, if they had "gone their own way" from the beginning, which music would I have been attracted to? My answer is Lindsey. He's the reason I'm here writing this today. I was hooked the minute I saw/heard him on The Dance. AND, I see no reason to be defensive or apologetic. Stevie without Lindsey is simply not my cup of tea and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that being my opinion. Stevie and Lindsey are two COMPLETELY different kind of musicians with two COMPLETELY different styles and they produce COMPLETELY different music as solo artists. Because Lindsey could arrange Stevie's songs for Fleetwood Mac and occasionally when they were guests on other albums is testament to his talent as an arranger, he's done it for other artists too. He has claimed his major contribution to the band was his ability to make records. The reason these arguments are so endless and frustrating is that these two people can't be compared. I looked up "talent" when the thread started on the Rumours Forum (IMO, a subject that was a blatant argument provoker). My Thesaurus says A person who possesses unusual innate ability in some field or activity I won't rhapsodize on Lindsey's unusual innate abilities (evident at a very young age) - self-taught player of guitar and other instruments, singer, arranger, producer, songwriter, engineer, . . .swimmer! I think he has an amazing list of talents considering he doesn't read music - and . . .what about the hidden ones? It's good if you can be a fan of both. And it's even better if you can understand and respect the opinions of those who aren't! Barbara
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Hummm.
In my origional post, I attributed WWO's outburst to have stemmed from his being told he should be posting on another forum. I also felt that he would probably somewhat mellow after getting it off his chest... I see that I was wrong in this acessment. I believe very strongly in Lindsey's abilities as an artist, I do not however feel that any of Stevie's fans should be called names or made to feel demeaned in any way. As a Lindsey fan I don't think that Lindsey would find that amusing either. I realize we all feel strongly for our favorite FM members and we often have differences of opinions where they are concerned; but an open attack on someone just for the sake of voicing your opinion, is in my opinion, very poor judgement. I would welcome another Lindsey fan to this forum WWO we are a close knit group here, but we also try to have respect for those of other opinions. I think there is more than enough room here for Lindsey and Stevie fans... Yes we will still disagree, and that's healthy, but being opionated does not give someone the right to be cruel. Just my opinion. witchywoman
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But at the risk of straying too far from controversy, I have to say something after reading this from Witchywoman: "As a Lindsey fan I don't think that Lindsey would find that amusing either." How can you presume to know what he would think? I would guess he has called Stevie a lot more and nastier names than the whole lot of us could ever conjure up. |
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Barbara
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Woah...mercy mercy me...
Well...where the heck do I begin...I agree with witchy in that we should stop with the name-calling, how old are we, anyways? I don't think that the thread of who's most talented was INTENDED to provoke viciousness at all, just like my whole Interesting Numbers thread was not. I think people around here are EXTREMELY opinionated in certain areas and want somewhere to discuss those opinions, but sometimes, we get heated and resort to sillyness.
Stevie fans are just as welcome on the Lindsey Ledge as Lindsey fans are...and vice versa. It's really sad that we have to rack up our post numbers responding to nonsense. But, I'm sure that someone around here will go, "Then, don't respond." Well, I have OPINIONS too, and I am voicing them.
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Nah... Larry King is a lightweight. They should be on Donahue. I'm so glad he's back.
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