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Old 05-30-2017, 10:36 PM
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The RS collectors edition has this song at 5. I actually would have had this at 1 (certainly higher than Don't Stop). BUT - am I wrong - or was the write up on this a bit odd. There is no doubt that last half is all the jam session from Keep Me There. But LB said he wrote the lyrics? I thought Stevie said she did. She certainly wrote the chorus and the title is hers. And she got no mention. A bit odd. Odd giving them all writing credit. That has to be because of the jam session at the end of Keep Me There. But Stevie gets credits for the title and the chorus at least. But I thought she wrote all the lyrics.
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:47 PM
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The RS collectors edition has this song at 5. I actually would have had this at 1 (certainly higher than Don't Stop). BUT - am I wrong - or was the write up on this a bit odd. There is no doubt that last half is all the jam session from Keep Me There. But LB said he wrote the lyrics? I thought Stevie said she did. She certainly wrote the chorus and the title is hers. And she got no mention. A bit odd. Odd giving them all writing credit. That has to be because of the jam session at the end of Keep Me There. But Stevie gets credits for the title and the chorus at least. But I thought she wrote all the lyrics.
Yes, Stevie wrote the lyrics and melody on top of the backing track. Her original acoustic-guitar version of The Chain is much longer with more branches than were actually used in the final song. Lindsey's most important job was to weld the basic structure of Christine's bluesy backing track with Stevie's folk tune. Of course he does a great job with tying the disparate parts together, but yes, it's simply wrong to give him credit for the words and melody. I think RS is really pushing the LB/CM partnership right now, which is cool, but not at the expense of the truth.
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Old 05-31-2017, 09:56 AM
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Thank you. I am familiar with the acoustic version of the Chain. No doubt LB did a great job pulling together. Love this song. So powerful given the history of the band.
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according to Stevie, in an interview done around that time, they didn't have lyrics. Lindsey knew her song and, in her words, asked if they could use part of it. She said to him "you're ripping the chorus out". She said, "he didn't care that much". So they put her chorus into the song, but still didn't have verses. Ultimately Lindsey wrote the verses, the "listen to the wind blow"etc. then it blended into her chorus "And if you don't love me now...." and then into John's bass and the whole ending which was grafted on straight from Christine's song. John def deserves his writing credit coz that bass line is stunning. He should get a cut of the royalties, it's a big part of the song's success.
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John def deserves his writing credit coz that bass line is stunning. He should get a cut of the royalties, it's a big part of the song's success.
Imagine if you received royalties on 1/5 of 1/11 (that's 1/55) of Rumours--you would never have to work again.
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Imagine if you received royalties on 1/5 of 1/11 (that's 1/55) of Rumours--you would never have to work again.
and the icing on the cake, some share of the tour profits and merchandising profits. Even if he's the lowest paid band member, he for sure makes more than most of us!
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Imagine if you received royalties on 1/5 of 1/11 (that's 1/55) of Rumours--you would never have to work again.
That's not how it works. Today's rate for a song on an album is $0.09, so they'd each get $0.018 for "The Chain" per album. I don't know what the 1977 rate was, but just assuming 25 million copies by today's rate, it would be $450,000.
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I know we've started a million threads on how The Chain got finalized. But has everyone heard these 1976 audio clips of Christine, Lindsey, and Stevie working out harmonies, lyrics, rhythms?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...V4?usp=sharing
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recent discussion on the percentage of contribution from each of the 5 - http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showth...ain+percentage
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"['The Chain'] started off as–jogging the memory here–it was really Stevie's and mine to begin with in the verse: 'Listen to the wind blow....' And my ever-present pseudo-blues riffs in there. And at some point I think Christine fashioned the feel of the chorus, and the chorus was certainly Stevie's lyrics. And then at some point there's this bass line which came in at the end that's kind of a hook, and there was some case to be made for it to be a valid enough contribution as to deserve songwriting credit. I can't honestly say that Mick had anything to do with writing the song. But we did give credit to all members of the band."–Lindsey Buckingham 1993, Songwriters On Songwriting by Paul Zollo

It's ambiguous to me whether he is saying the lyrics to the "Listen to the wind blow" verse are his, or his and Stevie's both. Insert a comma before "and mine" and it could read as the former.

P.S. From the same interview: "['Walk A Thin Line'] was me on the drums. Mick was appalled. He was appalled that these drums were going to go out and people would think that's him because it offended the finer points of his sensibilities. And I understand that. I was really going for slop. And trying to cut through the slickness in some ways.... They're left and right drums, and the kick and snare are on either side, and these military press fills, which is really what the song is built on.... That worked out well, too."

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Curious that WATL became one of Mick’s favorites, so much so that he did it on The Visitor.
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Curious that WATL became one of Mick’s favorites, so much so that he did it on The Visitor.
maybe to fix the drum part?

i've been amazed too, and he's definitely been very clear about his love for WATL.
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maybe to fix the drum part?

i've been amazed too, and he's definitely been very clear about his love for WATL.
I love Mick's version on The Visitor.
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"['The Chain'] started off as–jogging the memory here–it was really Stevie's and mine to begin with in the verse: 'Listen to the wind blow....' And my ever-present pseudo-blues riffs in there. And at some point I think Christine fashioned the feel of the chorus, and the chorus was certainly Stevie's lyrics. And then at some point there's this bass line which came in at the end that's kind of a hook, and there was some case to be made for it to be a valid enough contribution as to deserve songwriting credit. I can't honestly say that Mick had anything to do with writing the song. But we did give credit to all members of the band."–Lindsey Buckingham 1993, Songwriters On Songwriting by Paul Zollo

It's ambiguous to me whether he is saying the lyrics to the "Listen to the wind blow" verse are his, or his and Stevie's both. Insert a comma before "and mine" and it could read as the former.

P.S. From the same interview: "['Walk A Thin Line'] was me on the drums. Mick was appalled. He was appalled that these drums were going to go out and people would think that's him because it offended the finer points of his sensibilities. And I understand that. I was really going for slop. And trying to cut through the slickness in some ways.... They're left and right drums, and the kick and snare are on either side, and these military press fills, which is really what the song is built on.... That worked out well, too."
His account of The Chain’s origins isn’t entirely accurate here. It started as a Christine song. This has been discussed on this board a lot in the past. The backing track is essentially hers while the melody and lyrics are Stevie’s and Lindsey’s—mainly his contributions are cobbling together the various parts and making them into a coherent, dynamic whole. All three writers are equally responsible in different ways. The blend of folk-based melodies (Stevie) with a bluesy/quasi-jazzy chord progression (Christine) is part of what makes this song so unusual and incredible.
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His account of The Chain’s origins isn’t entirely accurate here.
Yes, he's probably misremembering a bit. He even acknowledges he's jogging his memory.

A decent interview overall, as it focusses on songs and songwriting. The book is worth getting, particularly if you're a fan of a number of the interviewees, as I am.

I have the 2003 edition, which includes interviews with Lindsey, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Leonard Cohen, Paul Simon, Brian Wilson, Randy Newman, Carole King, Townes Van Zandt, Tom Petty, Lou Reed, and Jackson Browne (among many others).

Leonard Cohen's interview is my favorite.
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