Any Bootlegs That Rate a C- or Below??

[77Rumours77]

I know there are bad boots out there, but I don't think I have ever seen a C- or below like a D or F.
Anybody know of some????
Of course I don't want any. Just wanting to know
Yes I am talking about FM and SN boots

[David]

Originally Posted by 77Rumours77

I know there are bad boots out there, but I don't think I have ever seen a C- or below like a D or F.
Anybody know of some?

Grading scales are subjective, but there are several noteworthily crappy audience recordings, as far as I'm concerned:

Milwaukee 6.24.76
Seattle 9.03.77
Cleveland 8.26.78
Philadelphia 11.21.79 ("Live Ivory")
Vancouver 5.02.80
Cologne 6.04.80
Detroit 9.19.82
Dallas 11.29.81
Landover 7.07.83 (audience tape, not the videotape audio)
Los Angeles 10.02.83
Charlotte 11.23.83

I think the worst are "Live Ivory" (11.21.79) & Landover (7.07.83). People who grade those anywhere above a "D" are bunco artists. A lot of tapes -- Alpine Valley 10.10.82, for example -- sound great on some copies & bad on others because generational loss has affected some & dioxide tape decay has affected others. If you trade for tapes, the idea is to find people who got their copy of something as close as possible to the actual date/recording of the show. Don't hesitate to ask the person you're trading with, "Did you get your copy of the Tempe '82 show around the time of the Mirage Tour?"

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by David

A lot of tapes -- Alpine Valley 10.10.82, for example -- sound great on some copies & bad on others because generational loss has affected some & dioxide tape decay has affected others. If you trade for tapes, the idea is to find people who got their copy of something as close as possible to the actual date/recording of the show. Don't hesitate to ask the person you're trading with, "Did you get your copy of the Tempe '82 show around the time of the Mirage Tour?"

David, I really think you should start a "Fleetwood Mac Bootleg Trading Advice & Info" type site.
You're extremely knowledgeable in regards to correct dates and correct locations, not to mention which shows are truly good quality and which are barely passable, and basically how to avoid some of the crap that's out there.

It would definitely be one of the most valuable Mac sites.

[AliP]

My version of the Milwaukee 6.24.76 isn't all that bad. I think the S. Orange show listed below is much worse. I would also include the following in the list:

White Tour: South Orange, NJ 10/13/75
Rumours: Long Island, NY 2/24/77
Rumours: Kansas City, MO 4/1/77
Tusk: Rotterdam, Holland 6/13/80
Dance: Cleveland, OH 11/24/97

RAL: Cuyahoga Falls, OH 6/13/86

[Claudia]

Originally Posted by AliP

My version of the Milwaukee 6.24.76 isn't all that bad. I think the S. Orange show listed below is much worse.

I don't have many bootlegs, but my version of the Milwaukee show is also much better than the South Orange one, which you can barely hear anything but noise.

[mike1982]

Originally Posted by AliP

White Tour: South Orange, NJ 10/13/75

That's one of the worst quality bootleg I've heard. It hurts my ears, the only reason I listen to it is because South Orange is where I am from (and currently living).

[Alexbt]

I lost the show data for it, but there's some MP3s of a 98 SN concert with Rhiannon and Edge of Seventeen that I have... they sound pretty C quality to me, though i don't have anything as bad to compare with.