In search of the Hampshire years

[Neb-Maat-Re]

Originally Posted by wetcamelfood

I agree with your transcription

Thanks, John. I started to wonder if I was just making it up to make a sensible conversation rather than really hearing it.

Originally Posted by wetcamelfood

Not sure on his accent but she always sounded Australian to me, the way she says "ours" in the poem reading. Maybe this is why she's been hard to track down, maybe she was buried back in Australia and not in that area?

I'll have to listen again tonight with my Australian ears. If she was buried in Aus it would make the search harder - each of the States has it's own separate Registry, and the search functions on some of them are not great.

The other thing that could be an issue is whether she is really Mrs Scarrott at all?

If the man is Harry as I suspect and this is his 3rd relationship but there is no record of a marriage it could be a de facto arrangement - perhaps people just knew her as Mrs Scarrott when it wasn't actually her name.

[wetcamelfood]

Originally Posted by Neb-Maat-Re

Thanks, John. I started to wonder if I was just making it up to make a sensible conversation rather than really hearing it.



I'll have to listen again tonight with my Australian ears. If she was buried in Aus it would make the search harder - each of the States has it's own separate Registry, and the search functions on some of them are not great.

The other thing that could be an issue is whether she is really Mrs Scarrott at all?

If the man is Harry as I suspect and this is his 3rd relationship but there is no record of a marriage it could be a de facto arrangement - perhaps people just knew her as Mrs Scarrott when it wasn't actually her name.

Good point, never thought of this. If this is the case, I wonder why they would say in the BT liner notes thanks for "her readings, recorded at her home" if it's not her though. I guess like you say, FM may have referred to her as Mrs. Scarrott as the others in the community did when she may not have been, on paper anyway. It sure would make this scenario more believable in context of the times as well. Sure in 1972, it wasn't as big a deal as it had been to live with someone and not be married but I'm sure it was a bigger deal then than it is now certainly so it's more of a chance this kind of set up may have existed.

Yeah I would ignore the E. 1st initial listing. It may very well end up being right but based on my work on the discography here, I have found many of those to be erroneous so I don't even use those as a source to stretch out this kind of info for the listing here now. Hopefully we can find out from a better source soon anyway.

John

[Neb-Maat-Re]

And the answer is:

Aileen!

Born Aileen Katie Mary HUGGETT, 1904, Eastbourn, Sussex

1st marriage: Alfred F Cager, Brighton, 1935

2nd marriage: Charles E Smith, Willesden, 1947

3rd marriage: Harry Scarrott, Surrey S W, 1966

Died: 1984, Cannock Chase, Staffordshire.

So, the 3rd marriage for both Harry and Aileen.

Evidence can be provided on request.

[wetcamelfood]

Originally Posted by Neb-Maat-Re

And the answer is:

Aileen!

Born Aileen Katie Mary HUGGETT, 1904, Eastbourn, Sussex

1st marriage: Alfred F Cager, Brighton, 1935

2nd marriage: Charles E Smith, Willesden, 1947

3rd marriage: Harry Scarrott, Surrey S W, 1966

Died: 1984, Cannock Chase, Staffordshire.

So, the 3rd marriage for both Harry and Aileen.

Evidence can be provided on request.

Great! Thanks. Now I can amend the discog to give her a first name!

John

[FuzzyPlum]

Can somebody assist-

I've been reading 'Play On' again.
There's a picture in the book at Benifolds showing the band and friends in winter 1970.
I can't quite work out who everyone is. Is the man to the right Peter? I wouldn't have thought it would have been Peter but it does resemble him.

any thoughts?
thanks

[Neb-Maat-Re]

Any chance you could scan and post the photo?

[FuzzyPlum]

Sorry for the delay.
I've scanned the picture and I think I've attached it properly.
I can't work out who the couple are on the right.

[bretonbanquet]

The male voice at the end of "Thoughts on a Grey Day" is in a local accent, Hampshire or thereabouts. That accent is much rarer these days but in the early 70s it would have been pretty common among older folk. It's definitely not Mick, who has a straight English accent. I'm pretty sure it was Mick's idea to put TOAGD on the album.

The photo: Mick's dog (forget the name), Jenny Fleetwood, John McVie, Judy Wong, Mick, Jeremy, Fiona Spencer, Christine... not sure, possibly a roadie (not Peter Green). Not sure on the other girl or the child. Likely to be late 1970.

[Neb-Maat-Re]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

The male voice at the end of "Thoughts on a Grey Day" is in a local accent, Hampshire or thereabouts. That accent is much rarer these days but in the early 70s it would have been pretty common among older folk.

Sounds just right for Harry Scarrott then, as he was born in Portsmouth in 1882 and lived in Laurel Cottage, Headley from at least 1932 when his daughter from his first marriage was married.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

The photo: Mick's dog (forget the name), Jenny Fleetwood, John McVie, Judy Wong, Mick, Jeremy, Fiona Spencer, Christine... not sure, possibly a roadie (not Peter Green). Not sure on the other girl or the child. Likely to be late 1970.

Thanks for taking a look.
In retrospect I've been thinking that maybe this is a very misleading picture of Danny.
It looks like somebody with bushy dark hair, beard and sideburns but that might just be an illusion created by the brim of the womans hat and lots of shadow.
This person has Danny's awkward stance and he was often pictured with his hands on his hips/in his pockets. I wonder if he was ever pictured wearing a red hat?

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by Neb-Maat-Re

And the answer is:

Aileen!

Born Aileen Katie Mary HUGGETT, 1904, Eastbourn, Sussex

1st marriage: Alfred F Cager, Brighton, 1935

2nd marriage: Charles E Smith, Willesden, 1947

3rd marriage: Harry Scarrott, Surrey S W, 1966

Died: 1984, Cannock Chase, Staffordshire.

So, the 3rd marriage for both Harry and Aileen.

Evidence can be provided on request.

Hey, great work!!!
Is there enough evidence to merit an amendment to the main Bare trees wikipedia page? would an extra line or so about Aileen Scarrott be of worth?

[Neb-Maat-Re]

What's immediately available is a copy of the official GRO Index of Marriages for 1966. Unfortunately, Wiki will want a link and the marriage isn't publicly indexed on Free BDM yet. The link on Ancestry requires a subscription.

The next step would be to purchase the actual marriage certificate. That'd be £9.25. I'd be happy to chip in a pound or two but not put up the whole pot myself. It depends on exactly how "official" the group want to get.

Perhaps some confirmation will still turn up from the Headley Village Pump.

It appears Aileen had a daughter from her 1st marriage. The daughter had 2 sons born in 1964 and 1967, both in Leicester. I wonder if they know their Gran was a rock star?

I also found the answer to the mystery of a son for Harry also named Harry - Harry's birth and that of his brother were just registered very, very late for some reason.

[Murrow]

Originally Posted by Neb-Maat-Re

And the answer is:

Aileen!

Born Aileen Katie Mary HUGGETT, 1904, Eastbourn, Sussex

1st marriage: Alfred F Cager, Brighton, 1935

2nd marriage: Charles E Smith, Willesden, 1947

3rd marriage: Harry Scarrott, Surrey S W, 1966

Died: 1984, Cannock Chase, Staffordshire.

So, the 3rd marriage for both Harry and Aileen.

Evidence can be provided on request.

Neb your discovery of Mrs S's first name has been mentioned in Uncut Magazine's Fleetwood Mac special edition! As the starter of this thread and the one who provided the information respectively, you and I can take a certain amount of pride in having made a bit of Mac lore public knowledge.

Our fandom is paying off!

[Neb-Maat-Re]

Whack-o!

Is there any chance someone could post a copy of just that section that mentions this?

Thanks

[FuzzyPlum]

Saw a couple of pictures when I was randomly looking. Its interesting to see Benifolds now and then. It's looking slightly different;







clearly this image was shot at one of the top floor windows;



I'm certainly not a believer in ghosts but I bet it would have been a creepy house to live in nevertheless!