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Old 06-22-2017, 10:48 PM
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doesn't make it right.

most of the new acts fake it because they don't have the talent to begin with.
Absolutely!

But remember that 30!!!!(god, kill me now) years ago, they decided that they needed backup singers, and keyboard players hidden behind curtains (fact). So they've been playing with hidden human tracks for 3 decades.
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I agree with this. Your statement about the job of a producer has been one of my biggest chafes with him for years--- yeah, you arrange the songs. THAT'S WHAT A PRODUCER/ARRANGER/MUSICAL DIRECTOR does. That's why you get CREDITS for that and PAYMENT. Oy.

in the DR doc, when they are listening to Stevie's demos-- real demos, not songwriting demos--- which are arranged how she thinks they should go, you hear him say to her at one point "I really like what he's done there, there's a lot of stuff I can just use" -- meaning whoever she worked with to produce the demos did stuff that he wants to keep in terms of the arrangement, etc. Yet do you see anyone but him listed as producer on that record?? By his logic (of wanting cowrite credit for his arranging work) shouldn't whoever arranged/produced her demos get at least a co-producer or arranger credit on the fm album since they are using that person's ideas lifted straight from the demos?? You can't have it both ways. He always uses "band politics" as a reference to Stevie, but "band politics" have always included him too. Pot, meet kettle.
Yes yes yes!

And I'm also tired lately of him taking so much credit for the shaping of the songs and doing things "for" Christine and Stevie. Okay, we get it, you're the producer. But his insistence on playing up his contributions in this regard actually have the opposite effect: it makes him seem like an insecure child who constantly needs to build up his own worth. Christine's acceptance of this occasionally seems like the she is pacifying him, and that she has an inner strength neither he nor Stevie possess, one in which humility trumps the need for constant recognition.
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Seriously, just sing the songs. Quit slowing it down, quit using back up tracks for guitar. Christine please please for the love of God, play something other than a chorded organ part. If she had not done the Hold Me solo I would have sold my tickets.

You're there to perform.. you're paid to do your job.
I meant all the "big, small, medium, machine talk" ha
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Old 06-22-2017, 11:11 PM
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And he needed her, as well. I just miss the jams... Play your instruments.
You know it. Stop talking about how magical this all is and show us the magic. Part of the problem is the songs were built up piece by piece in the studio, and not, presumably, recorded live--the way, say, Christine's 1984 solo album was. Instead, like the songs from ITM and any number of LB's solo records, the music has to be learned for live performance. I'm not entirely convinced LB and CM are ready yet to play them entirely live. If so, they have themselves to blame: they've had years to practice these songs in-between the giant world tour.
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Yes yes yes!

And I'm also tired lately of him taking so much credit for the shaping of the songs and doing things "for" Christine. But his insistence on playing up his contributions in this regard makes him seem like an insecure child who constantly needs to build up his own worth. Christine's acceptance of this occasionally seems like the she is pacifying him...
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Christine and Lindsey are very aware of Stevie's ongoing complaints
about Lindsey in this regard. Because of the constant put downs I think
they've made a conscious effort to support each other. Unlike Stevie,
Christine has enough confidence in herself to be able to compliment
Lindsey without worrying about her own worth to this project or any
other.
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:58 AM
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Unlike Stevie, Christine has enough confidence in herself to be able to compliment Lindsey without worrying about her own worth to this project or any
other.
Yeah, similar to what I said in the part of my original post you didn't quote:

"...and that she has an inner strength neither he nor Stevie possess, one in which humility trumps the need for constant recognition."
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Christine and Lindsey are very aware of Stevie's ongoing complaints
about Lindsey in this regard. Because of the constant put downs I think
they've made a conscious effort to support each other. Unlike Stevie,
Christine has enough confidence in herself to be able to compliment
Lindsey without worrying about her own worth to this project or any
other.
well it's interesting in a recent article Christine said she and Stevie have been communicating during the making of the BuckVie album-- Stevie asking how things have been going with Lindsey, and Christine saying that she was telling Stevie that Lindsey's "been a good boy" so far. So she knows what the issues are, she herself has even said that especially in the early days Lindsey could be very "abrasive" to work with (her word). She also mentioned being the "soft buffer" between those two. So I don't think she's made some extraordinary effort to bond with Lindsey to put off Stevie. I think she makes an effort (and maybe not that much effort, it's just who she is) to work well with both of them. Ah, band politics.
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