Relocated Christianity Topic - Page 3

Sapphire Girl · #31 10-18-2013, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RickRobert

How does a religious debate get started on a Fleetwood Mac forum?

It gets started in the Chit Chat forum when someone comes up with an observation or a question, types out his thoughts, and hits the submit reply button.

markolas · #32 10-19-2013, 10:25 AM

Queen Stevie= rose gypsy

becca · #33 10-19-2013, 01:46 PM

It's been weird seeing a lot of the mixing of religion and u.s. politics during the recent shutdown/default 'thing. There was a lot from both sides (though usually I dislike the both sides are to blame quip), and I find such moments jarring, maybe as they are still predicated on some ideal of everyone being christian. Meanwhile there were some comments invoking Islam like it was a put down that went mostly unchallenged, and that was from some who do the most praying in public as 'good' christians. I can't imagine as a christian not saying something about a confederate flag being around (even had a relative who fought in the u.s. civil war), never mind in relation to the first black president. A christian we are taught does not throw the first stone (except under delusion of being without sin), and certainly not such nasty underhanded stones. The problem is not that people are christians, but that they aren't christian enough in my opinion. President (not just Mr.) Obama is in fact a christian and has provably donated personally to charity without showing off about it for many years while a former opponent for the job donated to only one church that used the money to deny rights to gay people in various states, pretty much to the limit only of what would get him a tax write-off, and even then we never had a single full year's information about that, but he used it in his campaign as a fact showing his christian charity.

Basic truth... hate = no future, that applies to everyone.

iamnotafraid · #34 10-19-2013, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by becca

christian
Islam
christians
christian
christian
christians
christian
christian
christian.

Basic truth... hate = no future, that applies to everyone.

I'm curious to why you would capitalize Islam
but not Christian or Christians?

As far as hate goes, it's really according to what you mean?
Calling a sin, a sin is not hate. The ones who say it's okay
or placate sin are not "loving" the sinner. They are actually
doing more harm by leading them further into darkness.

You mentioned tithing, and as Christians we are supposed to
bring in our tithes and offerings. The Holy Bible is very clear
on this. The Lord says to "test Him" in this. You will be blessed.

I don't care to argue with you about politics. But during the
elections I saw figures that differed from yours, or the idea of
"your's" on tithing from some of our leaders.

Of course I'm hoping that most of you know that tithing has
nothing to do with your salvation. It has to do with whether
or not you have accepted Christ as your Savior. There is no
hope unless you are covered by His Blood.

becca · #35 10-20-2013, 02:22 PM

This would be because I'm in on the conspiracy to elevate one and minimize the other. Oh yes, and also to destroy christmas which is gearing up to be the next big Tea Party righteous revolution battle flag from the sounds of things. Guess one can't possibly be a real christian unless they capitalize it though... but I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those snoopy kids and their dog!

It's ironic to see Stevie Nicks fans who are aggressive in their capital C Christianity considering how angry her song Rhiannon made so many of them. It was banned from some playlists when it came out I remember, and it was cited as proof the entire group was devil worshippers along with the Eagles and Abba among a long list by a pastor at the Chrsitian school I attended for two years.

Macfanforever · #36 10-20-2013, 06:18 PM

The real meaning of Christmas is lost because of commercialism.
The greedy companies love this time of the year.

iamnotafraid · #37 10-20-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfanforever

The real meaning of Christmas is lost because of commercialism.

Many people even get offended by the Nativity scene.
Offended by the birth of the Savior.

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Becca,
I only asked you why you didn't capitalize Christian(s).
Nowhere in my post did I say that you weren't a Christian.

Dex · #38 10-21-2013, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

I'm curious to why you would capitalize Islam
but not Christian or Christians?

Those words aren't quite gramatically comparable. One refers to an entire religion and a unique entity, while the other refers to any given adherent. Generally, I might capitalize Christianity and Islam but might not capitalize christian or muslim. However, I have since looked it up and in fact I'm incorrect, and capitalizing Christian appropriate, even when it's used as an adjective. The mistake is mine/becca's. But your deliberate drawing of such attention to it does sort of come off as though you're implying something beyond mere a grammatical error, iamnotafriad. Just so you're aware. I kinda dug her response.

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Many people even get offended by the Nativity scene.
Offended by the birth of the Savior.

Have you ever talked to anyone who is actually "offended" by a nativity scene? If so, what did they say? I think a lot of conservative Christians confuse "offense" with "alienation", which is a rather different thing. Personally, when I see a big display of a Biblical scene in public somewhere, I make assumptions about whoever put it up. I assume whoever did it is a possibly conservative Christian, which is a group I've historically had difficult dealings with in the past on a personal level. I would never request that any display be removed from a private business (public/government-owned areas are another matter entirely) but honestly? I do find it a little alienating, even only subconsciously, and I might be inclined to take my business elsewhere. I know I'm generalizing Christians and that's probably something I need to work on. But I know many members of cultural/religious minorities feel similarly, and can certainly see how private business owners might pick up on that kind of consumer response and be inclined to appear religiously neutral when possible. It's a much more nuanced/internalized phenomenon than many news reports would portray it as, and is much more driven by sheer capitalism than political correctness or some desire for religious oppression.

iamnotafraid · #39 10-21-2013, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dex

The mistake is mine/becca's. But your deliberate drawing of such attention to it does sort of come off as though you're implying something beyond mere a grammatical error, iamnotafriad. Just so you're aware.

Have you ever talked to anyone who is actually "offended" by a nativity scene? If so, what did they say?

I would never request that any display be removed from a private business (public/government-owned areas are another matter entirely) but honestly? I do find it a little alienating, even only subconsciously, and I might be inclined to take my business elsewhere. I know I'm generalizing Christians and that's probably something I need to work on. But I know many members of cultural/religious minorities feel similarly, and can certainly see how private business owners might pick up on that kind of consumer response and be inclined to appear religiously neutral when possible.

Dex,
Thank you for your questions and comments.

Since I don't know Becca, I didn't just assume that they were
"grammatical" errors. If the ratio hadn't been so high (8:1), again
I might have thought differently. I thought she might be saying
something, or implying something by not capitalizing the word Christian.

For grammar or grammatical errors only - I would not correct or comment.
My own post would stop me from that.

I live in the South, and it seems there are more Christians (Conservative
Christians) percentage wise in our area of the U.S., but we still have to
deal with people complaining about public displays such as the Nativity
Scene. "One" local atheist raised a big complaint about this very thing last
year. The same type thing goes on at our local high school football games and
graduations - no prayer.

Years ago my first job (other than our farm) was at a retail store. On the back
wall of our store was painted these words "Ye Shall Know The Truth, And The
Truth Shall Make You Free". We had to paint over those words because the
chain store I worked for decided it might offend someone (there might have
been a complaint, that I don't remember). The store put $$$ before God.
Some of us complained to management, but they didn't listen. But I can guarantee
you that I wasn't the one who painted over those words.

So yes in many ways I've had to deal with persecution because of my belief in
Christ. But it is expected. I'll have to find the verse, but Jesus told us we will
be persecuted. But in know way am I implying that I've been persecuted as
some of His followers have.

I rarely talk "serious" on this board. Most of my post are silly jokes or observations.
But this is the most serious topic we can talk about. And I witness to you that Jesus
is The Christ. Only through Him is our salvation. And now is the day of salvation.

vivfox · #40 10-21-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

But in know way am I implying that I've been persecuted as
some of His followers have.

I rarely talk "serious" on this board. Most of my post are silly jokes or observations.

no

It's hard to take someone seriously who is always joking.

Dex · #41 10-22-2013, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

So yes in many ways I've had to deal with persecution because of my belief in
Christ. But it is expected. I'll have to find the verse, but Jesus told us we will
be persecuted. But in know way am I implying that I've been persecuted as
some of His followers have.

I'm really sorry, iamnotafraid, but from your post it sounds to me like you have had to deal with persecution in absolutely no way whatsoever. If you think the events you've described constitute persecution you've lead a privileged life indeed. Not that that's a bad thing, but c'mon, really? Your employer didn't want to risk alienating potential customers/clients in his place of business? A citizen in town didn't want his government showing public favour to certain beliefs over others? What am I missing? How does any of that infringe on your ability to worship as you wish or how your religion prescribes?

Were you punished for refusing to paint over those words in your first job? If so, that would be a form of religious persecution, but I suspect you'd have mentioned it if that had been the case.

Are you, in fact, truly not allowed to pray at a football game? There are usually only rules prohibiting publicly led prayer by members of authority in secular venues (a public high school). Try praying at a high school football game. Get a group of friends to pray with you. I bet the farm you won't get into any trouble. I come from liberal, atheist Canada, and my good friend prayed 3 times a day throughout public school without issue. No probs. If, on the other hand, a teacher had requested that I or anyone else join her in prayer for whatever reason, someone may have taken issue. But those scenarios are not the same at all.

iamnotafraid · #42 10-22-2013, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by vivfox

It's hard to take someone seriously who is always joking.

That I can understand.

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Dex,
I was just giving you a few simple examples that weren't
so personal. I don't want this thread to be about me, it
wasn't even started by me. Though I would be glad to
witness before anyone here.

It was originally about the Christian bashing that takes
place on here. Almost every thread that is political or
has to do with homosexuality, devolves into a free-for-all
against Christians and our beliefs.

I'm not asking you or anyone to take my word for it. Take
a glance through the Ledge they're easy to find.

My concern is honestly more about peoples souls - where
they end up, than about the persecution of Christians. If
you want to take it in that direction, all the better.