Creative Peak

[gypsysoul]

When do people think each member of FM (any incarnation) was at his/her creative peak as:

a. a musician (if relevant)

b. a songwriter (if relevant)

c. a vocalist (if relevant

[David]

Originally Posted by gypsysoul

When do people think each member of FM (any incarnation) was at his/her creative peak as:

a. a musician (if relevant)
b. a songwriter (if relevant)
c. a vocalist (if relevant

Christine
a. 1979-1980
b. 1973-1976
c. 1978-1979

Peter
a. 1968-1970
b. 1968-1970
c. 1968-1970

Lindsey
a. 1979-1980
b. 1976-1979
c. 1973-1976

Stevie
a. N/A
b. 1974-1976
c. 1980-1984

Bob Welch
a. 1974
b. 1973
c. 1974

John
a. 1976
b. N/A
c. N/A

Mick
a. 1973-1976
b. N/A
c. N/A

Dave M.
a. 1974-1976
b. 1972-1976
c. 1975

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by David

Mick
a. 1973-1976

cmon, david, I can follow your whole list, but didn't Mick have his creative orgasm during Tusk?

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by David

John
a. 1976
b. N/A
c. N/A

Mick
a. 1973-1976
b. N/A
c. N/A

Ummm...David...

John
b. 1976 (he's got a 1/5 credit on "The Chain")
c. 1997 (don't forget SYLM on "The Dance")

Mick
b. & c. 1994 ( "These Strange Times" was an improvement over "Lizard People" )

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by gypsysoul

When do people think each member of FM (any incarnation) was at his/her creative peak as:

a. a musician (if relevant)

b. a songwriter (if relevant)

c. a vocalist (if relevant

Christine:
a. 1974-onward
b. 1974-79
c. 1974-79, 1997 and 2004

Stevie
a. NA
b. 1975-79
c. 1975-79, 1997

Lindsey
a. 1977-onward
b. 1993 (whatever the date for Out of the Cradle)
c. 1977-79

Danny Kirwan
a. 1969-72
b. 1969-72, 1976
c. 1971

Bob Welch
a. 1973-onward
b. 1973 (Mystery)
c. 1977

Peter Green
a. 1969-onward
b. 1969-70
c. 1968-70

I'll pass on the rest.

[David]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Ummm...David...

John
b. 1976 (he's got a 1/5 credit on "The Chain")
c. 1997 (don't forget SYLM on "The Dance")

Mick
b. & c. 1994 ( "These Strange Times" was an improvement over "Lizard People" )

Well, I suppose that's their "creative peak" by default, but that's not my aesthetic reasoning. (If George Bush were America's only president, would it make much sense to call him America's "finest" president?) As much as I love "Lizard People" & "These Strange Times" as tracks, I don't think they represent any sort of creative peak as songs. In that regard, they're pretty silly, really.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

cmon, david, I can follow your whole list, but didn't Mick have his creative orgasm during Tusk?

So what youre saying is he didnt shoot his wad too early?

[skcin]

Originally Posted by David

Stevie
a. N/A
b. 1974-1976
c. 1980-1984

I can't believe you can so easily dismiss her amazing contributions to the cowbell & tamborine world.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by skcin

I can't believe you can so easily dismiss her amazing contributions to the cowbell & tamborine world.

Christine:
a. 1974-05
b. 1972-05
c. 1974-05

Stevie
a. N/A
b. 1973-79
c. 1975-79

Lindsey
a. 1979-82
b. 1973-76
c. 1987-93

Peter
a. 1968-70
b. 1969-70
c. 1968-70

John
a. 1968-06
b. N/A
c. 1997

[goldie]

Mick, John, Lindsey, & Christine are still climbing their creative peak for all three relevant categories, IMO.

Stevie hit all of hers in 1982.

[jbrownsjr]

Welch is easy for me 1972-1977
Christine McVie 1972-1979
Christine Perfect around OK Ken don't know what year...
Stevie Nicks 1973-1978
LB 1982-1987
Mick 1972-1974
John 1972-1974

[gypsysoul]

David, for Christine and Stevie you said their songwriting peak was respectively 1973 -76 and 1974 -76 - sorry to be dense but does that mean you are including the Rumours songs?

I agree with you for Lindsey but I would also add 1992 for the songwriting peak.

[macfan 57]

Peter Green

a. 1968-1970
b. 1968-1970
c. 1968-1970

Danny Kirwan

a. 1971-1972
b. 1971-1972
c. 1971-1972

Christine McVie

a. 1968-2004
b. 1973-2004
c. 1987-2004

Bob Welch

a. 1973-1974
b. 1971-1974
c. 1973-1974

Lindsey Buckingham

a. 1977-1987
b. 1977-1979, 1992
c. 1975-1987

Stevie Nicks

a. ...............
b. 1979-1982
c. 1975-1977

[David]

Originally Posted by gypsysoul

David, for Christine and Stevie you said their songwriting peak was respectively 1973 -76 and 1974 -76 - sorry to be dense but does that mean you are including the Rumours songs?

Yes I would include those. You Make Love Fun & Dreams are both excellent signature songs. In fact, Dreams might be Stevie's best song of all.

I agree with you for Lindsey but I would also add 1992 for the songwriting peak.

Soul Drifter is a good song.

when I consider songwriting, I consider both the lyrics & the music & all formal properties I can think of inherent in the song. So for example I would consider the complementary way that the words "My heart was broken/My part was spoken/Now the ground has opened" are wrapped in the chords, as well as the effect of a caesura in each line & the pictographic action of each phrase's melodic arc (in other words if you were to look at the melodic voicing in pictoral/representational terms).

[SteveMacD]

Peter Green
a. 1966-1970
b. 1966-1970
c. 1966-1970

Jeremy Spencer
a. 2006
b. 1970
c. 1970

Danny Kirwan
a. 1971
b. 1971
c. 1971

Bob Welch
a. 1974
b. 1973
c. 1974

Rick Vito
a. 1998
b. 1998
c. 1998

Billy Burnette
a. 1994-1995
b. 1980-1985 ("Between Friends" through "Try Me")
c. 1980-1985 (though his voice hasn't changed much, if at all)

Bekka Bramlett
a. n/a
b. 1995
c. 1997

Dave Mason
a. 1974-1977
b. 1968-1970 ("Traffic" and "Alone Together" are really hard to top.)
c. 1970-1971

Christine McVie
a. 1974 (F-ing awesome on "Heroes" tour)
b. 1975-1979
c. 1976

Stevie Nicks
a. n/a
b. 1973-1978
c. 1979

Lindsey Buckingham
a. 1982
b. 1992
c. 1973-1978

John McVie
a. 2003 (he seems to get better each album)
b. 1977
c. 1982 (Cool Water)

Mick Fleetwood
a. 1975-1980
b. 1995
c. 1995