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And Strand, I don't think LB gets credit here as a producer, he gets credit for being a Visionary: that's something else...he gave the band with three musical singer-songwriters-ego's a total recognizable character...and that is not only a sound....: it's by Blending it without crushing individuality. (musically of course, i'm not talking 'bout emotions and politics, and room on one album etcetera.) Although this man puts LB ABOVE the rest of the band, I will never do that. But I feel proud for Lindsey, that he gets this in RS in 2004 (for g*ds sake.....) gerald
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Despite Lindsey's unmistakable influence, I still have to wonder what Keith Olsen, Richard Dashut and Ken Caillat think about Lindsey receiving all of the credit for the "Fleetwood Mac sound" on the first three albums.
Critically, LB's always been praised for his contributions to Fleetwood Mac as a musician, so it's nice that he's now also getting praise for his behind-the-scenes work too... but it does seem to come off a little uneven when you consider that he wasn't the only one there. Surely Keith Olsen and the veteran members of the band, had more say than Lindsey would have had on 'Fleetwood Mac;' and even though he was the "idea man" for 'Rumours' and 'Tusk,' it would have still been largely Richard and Ken who acheived the overall sound on those albums, as it seems they were the ones who spent the most time at the console. Anyway, I'm not at all trying to detract from Lindsey's input... I just think it's somewhat unfair to give him sole credit for Fleetwood Mac's sound, when those albums featured production work by three other very skilled men (not to mention the musical contributions from four other very talented band-members).
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I’ll have to check the CD credits when I receive them, but isn’t this Rolling Stone review just in regard to the reissues and not the originals…… like Buckingham’s mixing and digitally remastering? Olsen, Caillet and Dashut aren’t even involved these days……..
….Anyway, being Buck-biased that I am , I do consider FLEETWOOD MAC, RUMOURS and TUSK his albums, as he was the visionary. Mick Fleetwood on the making of RUMOURS DVD even said so….. Buckingham’s sounds metamorphosized the band. I’m glad Rolling Stone gave him all the credit! |
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Also, although I am a proud chiffonhead, I also love LB and, esp. CM. So, I sort of take them as a group effort when they are in FM. |
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If you or anyone else still thinks Lindsey wasn't the architect of the Fleetwood Mac sound after listening to those two albums, with all due respect, you're just refusing to hear it. |
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Richard Dashut did produce 'Time,' however, and I think the production on that album is flawless. If I'm remembering correctly, I recall you saying that you don't own 'Time'... so that might be why you see it differently. Or it might just be Buckingham-Fan bias.
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He's entitled to the latter view, but the former is simply false. They aren't Lindsey Buckingham's albums; they're Fleetwood Mac's. |
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But the reviewer's opinion still mystifies me. I'd find him just as off-base if he had called these records Stevie's, Christine's or anyone else's. What makes them great, IMO, is the chemistry between the musicians involved. In fact, they wouldn't even exist if the entire band hadn't been present. Why not recognize everybody's contributions? Last edited by blinker12; 03-15-2004 at 07:30 AM.. |
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But, my saying its unfair is my opinion, etc. I think this just goes along with that whole "SN and CM are drivel and silly helpless women and LB is the only one with talent" argument that has been rehashed over and over and will never be resolved. I think the facts do not support that neither CM nor SN has any talent outside of LB's production. LB had nothing to do with any of SN's eight or more solo efforts (counting movie songs) save one brilliant guitar part in "I Miss You" on TISL. CM certainly had been making very good music (e.g. "Why," HAHTF, etc.) long before LB entered the picture and her solo record was no slouch. Finally, MF and JM had an established rhythm section long before LB and SN joined. So, although I think LB is very, very smart, brilliant, talented, etc., to say no one else but LB is responsible for the entire sound of FM is factually incorrect. Again, I am making a factual argument here. I am not in any way saying LB is not due the well deserved respect he has worked to hard to obtain. I am just saying the facts clearly indicate LB did not do it alone. |
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Johnny, do you see a lot of soud similarities between Time/Behind the Mask and the Lindsey albums? I don't. And regardless of who was behind the boards, Lindsey's vision and masterful playing are conspicuously absent. In your reference to "Time," you're talking about production. I'm talking about the "feel" of the album, the sound that Lindsey so masterfully crafted for the albums he was involved in. You can't match the feel of Time and Behind the Mask to Lindsey's stuff. |
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welcome to the club, lux gerald
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