security shoving hot young girls in front of Lindsey? - Page 16

BigAl84 · #**226** 02-02-2015, 12:37 PM

I find the security people standing in the aisle more disruptive than anything. If you're close the the aisle, you have to deal with a continuous line of people trying to come up for a picture and the security guy screaming in their ear to go back to their seats. For almost three hours straight, it's a continual confrontation between people and security sending them back to their seats. At least, that's what it was in Columbus. The line was backed up the entire length of the front section, one by one they all came up and took a picture and security told them to go back to their seats.

mtkad · #**227** 02-02-2015, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84

I find the security people standing in the aisle more disruptive than anything. If you're close the the aisle, you have to deal with a continuous line of people trying to come up for a picture and the security guy screaming in their ear to go back to their seats. For almost three hours straight, it's a continual confrontation between people and security sending them back to their seats. At least, that's what it was in Columbus. The line was backed up the entire length of the front section, one by one they all came up and took a picture and security told them to go back to their seats.

And that's why I pretty much part of the reason I hate seating gigs unless you've got a damn good seat, gives security an excuse to be complete a-hole's to put it politely.

rhiannondontgo · #**228** 02-02-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

Well, if the women in the audience are with men, they let the men come up too.

So, if you are a 23 year old man, nab yourself a hot girlfriend!

Michele

Yeah I think you just have to ask. One of the girls brought up with me brought her boyfriend up too. They didn't ask him to come up or offer, but they were ok with it once she asked. And another time I was brought up, they let us bring up my friend's 40 something year old mom with us as well.
I really don't think it's a dirty thing or a thing based solely on appearance. I've been brought up at multiple shows now. And I'm not "hot or blonde".
They just want young people to make it more exciting and fun up there. And there's a point there. I think of shows I've been to at casinos where everybody at the front was 50+ and had comp seats. No matter how big the act is, it kind of feels like you're just sitting at a piano bar if there's nobody standing up, singing along, screaming, clapping, dancing, etc. It's an entirely different experience when there is a lot of excitement at the stage. So I definitely get why they bring young people up, and I'm glad that to make it somewhat fair, they don't bring any of us up until everybody in the front made it up and got their spot at the stage first. However I also think it would be a lot more ethical if they allowed more than just the first row up there. Like maybe 1-3, or 1-5.

TsnFan4Ever · #**229** 02-02-2015, 09:26 PM

When I went for the one and only concert I can afford for this tour, it was very upsetting that those of us who paid the high prices for VIP seats were not only told that we weren't allowed to go up to the front but then all these people were brought up from way in the back. At least some of the Ledgies benefitted from it but it was so disheartening after loving Fleetwood Mac almost my entire life that we were treated so horribly by the band's management (it was FM's management who has made the decision to restrict access to only the front row--and then they went around the arena looking for all of the young girls and others who are the "right" people to be up there).

I am very enthusiastic and it felt completely discriminatory to be in the second row--my first and only time after going to see this band for 40 years--and to be told that we were not allowed up there when all these other people who paid a fraction of what we did were. It sucked and I'm still upset about it. In fairness, they should have at least let the first 3-5 rows of VIP's go up. But since they didn't value us any more than that, I don't know I will ever go to another FM concert.

TimeCastASpell · #**230** 02-02-2015, 10:44 PM

I have so many mixed feelings about this practice... I'm 24 and slim and decent looking at the very least, there's a good chance I could be one of the lucky ones picked. However, and this isn't totally the bands fault at all and is more a venue issue and just the screwy reality of the world but thought I would bring this up just for an added perspective- I'm disabled. Been a fan most of my life, can't put into words how much this band means to me or describe the medical horrors the band/their music has helped me through. I think I may have posted almost a year ago early early in this thread hoping even I would have a chance but my health only gets worse, I was very sick at the show I went to and things aren't shaping up so hot for the Feb 14th show Im hoping to attend (I'm close to paying a friend to come with me in case, g-d forbid something happens to me) Im diehard enough that if I was picked, well I would freaking go. But I couldn't last. Not to mention I have a backpack of medical equipment so not sure I want some drunk casual fan snagging my IV tubing and if anyone were to slam into me, yikes...

I use a wheelchair though I can stand short periods and walk if I have to and I'm prone to pushing too hard because the world as a whole is just not particularly (often not at all really) accessible. G-d I would kill to be near the stage, just an honest to G-d life dream. If I even manage to get an accessible seat well there's neve ver wheelchair seating on the floor, in 2013 people who paid more than me for their accessible seats were way further away than I was in the cheaper accessible seats. Venues are required to have at least a few accessible seats in all price ranges but that never includes the floor and I went in 2014 without my chair because there was no accessible seats left and oh boy I had to be physically lifted up the steps... And was on time but ended up late because they ensue does wheelchair transport to seats but the idiot who wheeled me took some crazy long roundabout way and it's a shame there were so many people crowded up by Lindsey because it took even longer to get to our seats because I had be wheeled all the way around the whole floor section and argh, it was a mess.

Again, I realize that's venue issues not the band. But hey if people want to be upset virtually every single one of you has access to better seats and more of a chance of getting up front than me. Wish I could surround myself with true fans and we could all go to the front and when I got tired I'd go sit and I assume if everyone around me was there for the music and not just the booze or whatever, maybe it would work out.

If I ever win the lottery I'm hiring my own Ledgie posse to make this happen. We'll pay off security so we all get up front too, deal?

pberry · #**231** 02-03-2015, 08:32 AM

Thank you TimeCastASpell for the thoughtful post.

You write, "But hey if people want to be upset virtually every single one of you has access to better seats and more of a chance of getting up front than me."
This is an important point and a reminder of how necessary it is to create accessible spaces.

I still find myself thinking that whether one is disabled or older or by some standard unattractive, there is a huge problem in discriminating against some people. To be in the second row and denied access is offensive.

There are some people who may prefer not to go up to the stage. But others, regardless of age, looks, etc, may find this to be a dream come true. Some of the women who were brought up to the stage in Buffalo were clearly not interested in the band. To those second row folks who wanted to go up, I'm sorry.

For me, the biggest issue is that the band denied those who purchased seats up front from going up. I remember when I arrived at my seat at 8:10, security was already blocking the entrance to the row so that people could not get out.

I hope someone from the band reads these posts. This is not the type of behavior that I would expect from Fleetwood Mac.

reebokandlace · #**232** 02-03-2015, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pberry

Thank you TimeCastASpell for the thoughtful post.

For me, the biggest issue is that the band denied those who purchased seats up front from going up. I remember when I arrived at my seat at 8:10, security was already blocking the entrance to the row so that people could not get out.

I hope someone from the band reads these posts. This is not the type of behavior that I would expect from Fleetwood Mac.

What do you mean they were blocking so "people could not get out". Are you saying they wouldnt let you leave the row even to go to the bathroom? If so, that is outrageous!

Your last statement "this is not the type of behavior..." Reminds me of stevie saying, " we are not nice, we are rock and rollers"....keep in mind, they have never gone out of their way to embrace their fans...unless of course money or publicity was involved. Classic Mac.

pberry · #**233** 02-03-2015, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by reebokandlace

What do you mean they were blocking so "people could not get out". Are you saying they wouldnt let you leave the row even to go to the bathroom? If so, that is outrageous!

Your last statement "this is not the type of behavior..." Reminds me of stevie saying, " we are not nice, we are rock and rollers"....keep in mind, they have never gone out of their way to embrace their fans...unless of course money or publicity was involved. Classic Mac.

No, I'm sure bathroom breaks were allowed for second row guests, just no access to the stage. Somewhat outrageous even with bathroom access!

When did Stevie say that? This is an interesting quote. Yet this situation seems to go beyond being nice.

reebokandlace · #**234** 02-03-2015, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pberry

No, I'm sure bathroom breaks were allowed for second row guests, just no access to the stage. Somewhat outrageous even with bathroom access!

When did Stevie say that? This is an interesting quote. Yet this situation seems to go beyond being nice.

I agree. The whole situation is out of control. If it is so important to them to have people standing up front dancing, they should just have a general admission, standing pit for the first ten rows. Charge $400 for the opportunity to be in the pit. Problem solved.

The issue i have is if i paid for a front row ticket, it does matter if i am at the opera, a play or if i have a seat for a hockey game first row on the glass, i have an expectation of an unobstructed view. In those situations if someone started bringing people into my row, it would not be tolerated. If it was a hockey game i would throw by beer on anyone attempting to stand in front of me against the glass.

It seems to me that the fans are tolerating this during the fleetwood mac shows, otherwise it would have negative publicity. I guess a fight will have to break out in order for the band to stop this. Negative publicity gets results....so does the aforementioned class action lawsuit.

The band is laughing all the way to the bank.

WelshWitchPMD · #**235** 02-03-2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by reebokandlace

I agree. The whole situation is out of control. If it is so important to them to have people standing up front dancing, they should just have a general admission, standing pit for the first ten rows. Charge $400 for the opportunity to be in the pit. Problem solved.

The issue i have is if i paid for a front row ticket, it does matter if i am at the opera, a play or if i have a seat for a hockey game first row on the glass, i have an expectation of an unobstructed view. In those situations if someone started bringing people into my row, it would not be tolerated. If it was a hockey game i would throw by beer on anyone attempting to stand in front of me against the glass.

It seems to me that the fans are tolerating this during the fleetwood mac shows, otherwise it would have negative publicity. I guess a fight will have to break out in order for the band to stop this. Negative publicity gets results....so does the aforementioned class action lawsuit.

The band is laughing all the way to the bank.

Guess what? There were several Ledgies who went to some GA shows in Europe and the same thing happened. I believe it was mentioned earlier in this thread.
It's been an ongoing situation since 2013. I know that some of the girls let up are are actually big fans, that's not the issue.
The band isn't going to care because they already have their money. From what I've heard it's at Lindsey's request. I'm tired of seeing fans spend tons of money on this band to be treated disrespectfully. It's not fair but I'm sure nobody cares.

reebokandlace · #**236** 02-03-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD

Guess what? There were several Ledgies who went to some GA shows in Europe and the same thing happened. I believe it was mentioned earlier in this thread.
It's been an ongoing situation since 2013. I know that some of the girls let up are are actually big fans, that's not the issue.
The band isn't going to care because they already have their money. From what I've heard it's at Lindsey's request. I'm tired of seeing fans spend tons of money on this band to be treated disrespectfully. It's not fair but I'm sure nobody cares.

I agree that the band doesnt care, and i applaud you for standing up and speaking out. Patti, i have known you a very long time and to hear you outraged about this outrages me too. I know that you are geniune and care about this band and i also know that you spent a lot of time and a lot of money sitting up front back in the day. Ahhh the come days!! But back in those days we knew if we paid top dollar we got to be the person up front. Not standing there with people who paid half of what we paid .... what they are doing now sucks... fair is fair. This is just wrong. Shame on the entire band for allowing this.

It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation and 5 minutes of bad press to destroy it. They need to stop this practice before it slaps them in the face.

lovethemac1 · #**237** 02-03-2015, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by reebokandlace

I agree that the band doesnt care, and i applaud you for standing up and speaking out. Patti, i have known you a very long time and to hear you outraged about this outrages me too. I know that you are geniune and care about this band and i also know that you spent a lot of time and a lot of money sitting up front back in the day. Ahhh the come days!! But back in those days we knew if we paid top dollar we got to be the person up front. Not standing there with people who paid half of what we paid .... what they are doing now sucks... fair is fair. This is just wrong. Shame on the entire band for allowing this.

It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation and 5 minutes of bad press to destroy it. They need to stop this practice before it slaps them in the face.

I agree 100% with those who feel this is discriminatory. I am a 51 year old woman and huge FM fan for the past 35+ years. I have paid for the front row tickets/meet and greet with Mick during the last tour. I like to think I'm ok looking for a woman in her 50's as I modeled in my late teens and early 20's, but was I pissed when this pack of 20 nothings came running up at the start of the show and stood in front of my husband and I. Wait, I was more than pissed, I was LIVID. I assumed that paying for front row tickets, meant that I would have FRONT ROW SEATS. So, we gently pushed our way through them, and I parked myself in front of Lindsey with my hands on the stage and didn't move. I'm almost 5'10" so I could see really well, but if I had been shorter, that would have been terrible. I ended up partying with these girls, but God forbid any of them tried to take my spot-

When one of them tried to take the set list, I calmly told her there were still 2 encores (how many concerts had she been to??), then my husband took the set list after the last encore. They were nice about it and asked if they could take a picture of it, which they did, and then I took one of all of them in front of the stage for them. So Lindsey was stuck with me parked in front of him for the show-

I'd never really thought about that, I wonder if he was pissed?

WelshWitchPMD · #**238** 02-03-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lovethemac1

I agree 100% with those who feel this is discriminatory. I am a 51 year old woman and huge FM fan for the past 35+ years. I have paid for the front row tickets/meet and greet with Mick during the last tour. I like to think I'm ok looking for a woman in her 50's as I modeled in my late teens and early 20's, but was I pissed when this pack of 20 nothings came running up at the start of the show and stood in front of my husband and I. Wait, I was more than pissed, I was LIVID. I assumed that paying for front row tickets, meant that I would have FRONT ROW SEATS. So, we gently pushed our way through them, and I parked myself in front of Lindsey with my hands on the stage and didn't move. I'm almost 5'10" so I could see really well, but if I had been shorter, that would have been terrible. I ended up partying with these girls, but God forbid any of them tried to take my spot-

When one of them tried to take the set list, I calmly told her there were still 2 encores (how many concerts had she been to??), then my husband took the set list after the last encore. They were nice about it and asked if they could take a picture of it, which they did, and then I took one of all of them in front of the stage for them. So Lindsey was stuck with me parked in front of him for the show-

I'd never really thought about that, I wonder if he was pissed?

No if you paid for the front row spot then you have every right to be there. I'm sure Lindsey didn't mind at all. What show did this happen?

Hawkeye · #**239** 02-03-2015, 11:58 AM

I finally saw this at the buffalo show on Saturday and while I think it's overall wrong, I don't know if it's necessarily about having hot young girls at the front of the stage as much as young energetic fans at the foot of the stage. Who happens to be the type of fan that will dance and scream and take the energy level up a notch, young f ing girls! Not any other demographic delivers consistently with what Lindsey and I'm sure to a lesser extent the rest of the band wants. I guarantee you that if a 21 year old girl was with her mom or let's say her 300 pound friend (not mocking large people just giving an example) they would not be excluded from this treatment.

Fever Dance · #**240** 02-03-2015, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rhiannondontgo

Yeah I think you just have to ask. One of the girls brought up with me brought her boyfriend up too. They didn't ask him to come up or offer, but they were ok with it once she asked. And another time I was brought up, they let us bring up my friend's 40 something year old mom with us as well.
I really don't think it's a dirty thing or a thing based solely on appearance. I've been brought up at multiple shows now. And I'm not "hot or blonde".
They just want young people to make it more exciting and fun up there. And there's a point there. I think of shows I've been to at casinos where everybody at the front was 50+ and had comp seats. No matter how big the act is, it kind of feels like you're just sitting at a piano bar if there's nobody standing up, singing along, screaming, clapping, dancing, etc. It's an entirely different experience when there is a lot of excitement at the stage. So I definitely get why they bring young people up, and I'm glad that to make it somewhat fair, they don't bring any of us up until everybody in the front made it up and got their spot at the stage first. However I also think it would be a lot more ethical if they allowed more than just the first row up there. Like maybe 1-3, or 1-5.

First of all, I can’t believe you have the audacity to compare FM VIP ticket buyers to casino comp ticket holders who get their tickets for free. People who have spent $900 to be in those seats are die-hard fans and deserve to be at that stage. If anyone is going to be let up, it should be them PERIOD, not random girls chosen because of their looks and age. And just for the record, VIP buyers know how to have fun, dance, and clap just as much as you do. I’m glad you get to experience the joy and absolute bliss of being at Lindsey’s feet during these shows, but it’s sad that his midlife crisis is happening at the expense of some of his most loyal fans.

And yes, this is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I witnessed it personally at the Dallas show, rows 2 and back were stopped by guards .. And his gaggle of girls at the stage weren’t even paying attention to the band most of the time. They were taking selfies , leaving to get drinks and talking over the band. Sorry but how can you justify that?