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Old 10-03-2018, 06:08 AM
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When Stevie declined to make an album with Fleetwood Mac really made me lose respect for her. After all this time and how she stayed with the Mac all those years and Christine coming back she decides she only wants to tour. One final album from these 5 with a tour to promote it would have been so good.
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Old 10-03-2018, 08:28 AM
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No one is injecting venom.
To be clear, I didn't mean this particular thread, where I find many of the responses on both sides to be respectful and quite well articulated. But it's rampant elsewhere.

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Not everyone thinks like you or has too. You just donít like opinions that differ from yours.
Are you kidding me? I am floored by this response. I was careful to say that I'm not bothered by people not liking Stevie or sticking up for Lindsey or even making threads to complain about the situation. So no, I don't care if people have opinions that differ from mine. I was just expressing a desire for this to be a place where we could have civil discussions. Maybe you're the one bothered because not everyone thinks like you. Not all of us are over Stevie.
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Old 10-03-2018, 08:41 AM
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I'll never be over Stevie. No other celebrity on this planet has been as important to me as Stevie Nicks has. She has influenced my life and enhanced my life is so many ways. I have been a fan since Rhiannon was a brand new single and still can recall the first time I heard it played on the radio. The Live Rhiannon's from 1975 - 1982 are literally what I live for LOL. But I am not one of those fans that love everything she does. I can tell if a live performance was great, good, fair or downright awful and have never been afraid to say so. It took me a full 30 to 60 days to get over my anger with her for orchestrating the firing of Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac. It's sad and laughable to me that there are still obsessed fans of Stevie that want to deny this fact. If it weren't true, you can bet your bottom dollar Stevie would have walked out and quit the group right away. But while I am over my anger at HER I am still uneasy with this version of Fleetwood Mac. But as I said I love Stevie and I will continue to support her in whatever group of people she chooses to surround herself with.
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Old 10-03-2018, 09:50 AM
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I'm not over Stevie, but I'm pretty much over the Ledge, so much so that I can barely muster the stamina to type a response. If you don't like Stevie, fine. If you think Lindsey got a raw deal, fine. But it's over, it's done, it's a business deal that has nothing to do with any of us. Want to make a thread or two to vent your displeasure, also fine. But those folks who want to inject their venom into every thread in every forum are just plain nasty, and there's nothing you can post that's safe from them. I still lurk in hopes of picking up some news, but I can't tolerate the discussions. It's kind of like reading anything on Yahoo News....the article itself may be interesting, but reading the comments will make you renounce your faith in humanity.
The tour begins tonight and no one is even talking about it on a Fleetwood Mac message board. It's both ridiculous and sad.
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Old 10-03-2018, 09:56 AM
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The tour begins tonight and no one is even talking about it on a Fleetwood Mac message board. It's both ridiculous and sad.
I just did! One of the things I mentioned was I found it odd that the Buckingham/McVie tour dates thread hadn't been pulled down and replaced with the Mac dates. I thought it was strange that it was still there after all this time and with new band concerts almost here. Also, I thought by now that we'd see a thread started for the reports from the opening show. Unfortunately I suspect it reflects on how many people who continue to have interest in following the band have left this board because of how miserable the atmosphere has become around here.
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Old 10-03-2018, 10:35 AM
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Nope. I don't care about her personal life. I love her music and always will.
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Old 10-03-2018, 10:47 AM
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Old 10-03-2018, 11:21 AM
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As trite as it sounds, Stevieís music is part of the soundtrack of my life. No other entertainer has moved me like she has, no one even close. The 24 Karat tour confirmed that for me. I found it to be epic. I wish she would just focus on solo and other non-FM projects.

I donít care about her personal life nor do I hold her to standards about how she should conduct her business.
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Old 10-03-2018, 12:43 PM
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Count me in the group who are disenchanted with Stevie on a personal level. Her actions over the past several years have left a bad taste in my mouth for sure. Musically, however, there is hardly anything that could make me stop loving her songs. If she were to release another solo album, Iíd definitely buy it.
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Old 10-03-2018, 07:33 PM
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Saying 'over' feels a bit too permanent for me, but in my eyes, she has lost quite a bit of what I thought was so special about her. It's hard to say it without sounding harsh but, for lack of a better word, I think she's lost some of her class. I always thought Stevie was a bit of a weirdo and obsessed with herself but she used to go about it in a more elegant way. I used to love reading all the things she'd say about her life and her songs because she had a way of talking about it that was special. In recent years I feel she's lost that quality. Maybe it's just from getting old but now, most of the time I read/hear what she has to say, she just sounds so utterly detached from reality lol. Like she really lives in a bubble where she is the center of the universe and no one will ever tell her otherwise. That doesn't mean I can't still appreciate the highlights of her life and career and her overall story as a survivor of addiction and a tough industry.
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Old 10-03-2018, 08:23 PM
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The tour begins tonight and no one is even talking about it on a Fleetwood Mac message board. It's both ridiculous and sad.
Why on earth would anyone want to talk about that trash?
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Old 10-03-2018, 09:16 PM
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Nope!

She sounds great tonight from the clips I have seen so far. Excited for March!
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Stevie: Greatest Of All Time.
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This is true to some extent but also is unfair and doesn't give her enough credit.

Would she have been anything without Lindsey Buckingham and the rest of Fleetwood Mac? Highly unlikely. That band (as it existed in the late 70s) brings the absolute best out of her and compliments her strengths and weaknesses perfectly. Same goes for her first solo album, had it not been for the collarboation with Tom Petty and Jimmy Iovine and the other wonderful talent hired for Bella Donna, the album may never have seen the success it did.

That being said, how is that different from any other popular artist? Music is always a collaborative effort and all of the cogs have to be turning for it to work. She may have been nothing without Fleetwood Mac, but would Fleetwood Mac be what it is without her? HELL NO. Lindsey is an amazing guitarist but if the band had only taken him in 1975 the band would've lacked all of the factors that she brought to the table that McVie and Buckingham could never do. That star power that only she possessed, a unique writing style that provided a contrast between McVie's lighter content and Buckingham's more un-relateable content, a voice that (while not necessarily the best from a technical standpoint ala McVie) was incredibly distinctive and managed to emote to an incredible degree, and finally a stage presence that could captivate audiences with little more than some chiffon-laden outfits and twirls.

And also most importantly, her writing: She's a writer first and foremost, with her musicianship limited to being able to craft basic song structures for her lyrics. While that strength was certainly running dry by RAL, her songs on the White Ablum, Rumours, and Tusk are by far the most lyrically interesting of the three members imo. The balance between esoteric and relatable is hard to pull off and she did wonderfully with it (at least until RAL forward).

(examples: Beautiful Child, Dreams, Gypsy, Gold Dust Woman, Sara, Storms, Landslide are AMAZING from a musicianship standpoint, but the lyrics are what most people connect to)

Do I approve of any of her recent comments/actions? I don't think it's as black and white a situation as many of the more emotional fans seem to think (Stevie just hates Lindsey so she got him fired vs the band decided to tour and rudely moved on without Lindsey when he did not agree), but that doesn't mean I approve. I don't really approve of any of the bands behavior at any point in time, frankly. They consistently squandered opportunities at every turn since 1979 that could have made them even greater than they are if they had just acted like adults for 10 minutes. None of them are saints, now or then. It leads to the question why recent events caused you to lose respect when she's kind of always been like this. Please don't take this as an attack, but what was your image of her before? If it was anything besides an out of touch, self-indulgent person with a propensity for petty nonsense than you must never have seen an interview with her from literally any time period post 1976.

In conclusion: she's never been a great human being and has relied on the talent of others but that's a part of collaboration. She's not a producer or a musician, but she is a personality/performer and a lyricist. Combine that with some of the best talent in the industry at the time and you've got the Queen of Rock and Roll. That is why I am still a fan of her work.
This is extremely well written and eloquently stated.
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Old 10-04-2018, 12:06 AM
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This is extremely well written and eloquently stated.
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"I am just one small part of forever" -Think About It (The song that got me into Stevie Nicks)

"The face of a pretty girl x1,000,000" -Isn't It Midnight (The song that got me into Christine McVie)

"The sun is bright, but not too bright to see. When the darkness comes you've got to fly into the light." -Doing What I Can (The song that got me into Lindsey Buckingham)

"I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain" -The Chain (The song that got me into Fleetwood Mac)
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