Importance of Stevie versus Lindsey

SteveMacD · #1 06-22-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel75

But if she's a member of the band and that brand name if you like and hasn't consented to an album being released without her in it then she has some sort of case. I am not familiar with US law but I assuming there would be some grounds on that basis, no?

She wouldn’t really have a case. Mick and John own the name outright after a lengthy legal case, and they alone can decide when to use the name.

secret love · #2 06-22-2018, 03:24 PM

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She wouldn’t really have a case. Mick and John own the name outright after a lengthy legal case, and they alone can decide when to use the name.

In his books, Mick talked about Christine calling regularly during the early stages of recording Say You Will, all but indicating she would love to record, if she could get away with not touring. The release of In the Meantime so shortly after Say You Will supports this.

Did Christine ever even consider suing when Say You Will was released without songs written by her? No, because Christine is not a vengeful kind of person.

Would Stevie even consider suing if BuckVie was released as Carnival Begin by Fleetwood Mac? You betcha. Would she be able to prosecute a valid argument as to why a band cannot release an album without her, when she was actually asked to contribute, and refused to participate? Nope.

But the fact they didn't feel comfortable calling Buckingham McVie "Fleetwood Mac" speaks volumes.

SteveMacD · #3 06-22-2018, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love

Did Christine ever even consider suing when Say You Will was released without songs written by her? No, because Christine is not a vengeful kind of person.

She had already left the band. She might have wanted to participate, but they needed her to be a full member and politely declined.

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But the fact they didn't feel comfortable calling Buckingham McVie "Fleetwood Mac" speaks volumes.

Not really. We know why. Tours still make money, albums don’t anymore.

HomerMcvie · #4 06-22-2018, 04:13 PM

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Did Christine ever even consider suing when Say You Will was released without songs written by her? No, because Christine is not a vengeful kind of person.

Tell that to Bob Welch!

(do you know who he is?)

secret love · #5 06-22-2018, 04:33 PM

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Tell that to Bob Welch!

(do you know who he is?)

Of course I know who Bob Welch is. Outside Peter Green, probably the most important persona in pre-Rumours Fleetwood Mac. And he jammed with Stevie on Ebony Eyes! Several times!

So it's Christine's fault that Bob was not inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, an institution that Chrissy Hynde called "embarrassing"? She may have done him a favour.

secret love · #6 06-22-2018, 04:42 PM

Stevie certainly never let Bob down. Wish she would jam with Lindsey again at his solo shows like she did with Bob. But one can hardly say Stevie let Lindsey down when she stayed in the same band as him 41 years after they split. As an aside, did Lindsey and Stevie actually split in 1977, or was it in 1974/1975 or even earlier?

Anyway, so much for her promise to Fleetwood Mac in 1979 "I am never going to break up Fleetwood Mac".

dreamsunwind · #7 06-22-2018, 04:49 PM

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Stevie certainly never let Bob down. Wish she would jam with Lindsey again at his solo shows like she did with Bob. But one can hardly say Stevie let Lindsey down when she stayed in the same band as him 41 years after they split. As an aside, did Lindsey and Stevie actually split in 1977, or was it in 1974/1975 or even earlier?

They split in 76, during the making of Rumours but according to Lindsey it happened gradually throughout that year, they'd still be "involved" even while they breaking apart. They'd had problems before that but stayed together.

And I don't think Stevie staying in Fleetwood Mac after they broken up says anything at all about her not "letting Lindsey down" or not. That was her career. If she had left the band prematurely it would have hurt her career.

gldstwmn · #8 06-23-2018, 02:23 PM

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Stevie certainly never let Bob down. Wish she would jam with Lindsey again at his solo shows like she did with

Yes. And can you guess who never showed up to any of those shows? Gee I wonder why? Maybe he was too busy banging on a Kleenex box?

MaryLiz2 · #9 06-25-2018, 07:18 AM

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Yes. And can you guess who never showed up to any of those shows? Gee I wonder why? Maybe he was too busy banging on a Kleenex box?

Hahahaha. I'd given up on checking in here for any discussion of the upcoming tour. I'm too busy living my life to have to sift through all the bellyaching (it's been MONTHS, I think there are people here having a harder time with Lindsey being jettisoned than he is). BUT, I am glad I checked in today simply because my life is better for having read the above Kleenex box line.

Well done. And thank you.

The Chain · #10 06-25-2018, 10:26 AM

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Yes. And can you guess who never showed up to any of those shows? Gee I wonder why? Maybe he was too busy banging on a Kleenex box?

sounds about right, you mock Lindsey's unconventional creativity, yet you must know in your heart of hearts that it was his unique approach that helped turn many of Stevie's raw ideas into actual works of art. Different strokes for different folks, but I'll take kleenex box banging on a song with actual substance over generic cheese any day, which I would say accounts for about 50% of Stevie's solo output.

dreamsunwind · #11 06-25-2018, 12:37 PM

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Yes. And can you guess who never showed up to any of those shows? Gee I wonder why? Maybe he was too busy banging on a Kleenex box?

What a silly comment to make. And I'm sure even you knew that while you were typing it out. No one was even saying that Stevie (or Lindsey) had a thing to do with the Bob Welch situation, making a random dig at Lindsey's creativity (that you probably always appreciated prior) even more unnecessary. I agree with the idea that many people here have resorted to childish comments and digs against Stevie but 'fighting back' with more immaturity doesn't help anything.

SteveMacD · #12 06-22-2018, 04:56 PM

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Tell that to Bob Welch!

(do you know who he is?)

Funny how people who think Mick is a liar think he was telling Wendy the truth…

Who was the easiest to throw under the bus as far as Fleetwood Mac concerned in 2012?

secret love · #13 06-22-2018, 05:03 PM

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Funny how people who think Mick is a liar think he was telling Wendy the truth…

Who was the easiest to throw under the bus as far as Fleetwood Mac concerned in 2012?

Well Bob, obviously, but wait, what year did he suicide? Not 2012 was it? Throwing him under the bus at that particular juncture would surely be out of the question.

STEVIE should have been thrown under the bus when she delayed the tour and replaced with Sheryl Crow or Susannah Hoffs.

Gotta say, a line up of Mick, John, Christine, Lindsey and Sheryl appeals to me much more than the current reality. That said, Sheryl would feel too much loyalty to Stevie to say yes and Susannah would be worried about damaging her legacy with the Bangles...though Neil and Mike were unfazed about their respectively very respectable legacies, so who knows.

SteveMacD · #14 06-22-2018, 05:32 PM

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Well Bob, obviously, but wait, what year did he suicide? Not 2012 was it? Throwing him under the bus at that particular juncture would surely be out of the question.

That’s not what the reference was about. Bob committed suicide in 2012, and Wendy Welch said that Mick told her Christine refused to go to the Hall of Fame ceremony if Bob was included. It was easy for Mick to blame that on the long retired Christine, thus creating no hard feelings between Wendy and the remaining members.

But was that really what happened?

Angel75 · #15 06-22-2018, 07:49 PM

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That’s not what the reference was about. Bob committed suicide in 2012, and Wendy Welch said that Mick told her Christine refused to go to the Hall of Fame ceremony if Bob was included. It was easy for Mick to blame that on the long retired Christine, thus creating no hard feelings between Wendy and the remaining members.

But was that really what happened?

Very true. Mick could be lying, but are there any other theories out there that may be correct?