Lindsey Buckingham Fought Like Hell To Stay In Fleetwood Mac

[AncientQueen]

I feel that this is too much. After the long (and classy) time when Lindsey said nothing, he now paints the picture of himself being a saint, treacherously fired from the band, and how he desperately tried to stay in. His lawyers are advising him to play the innocent victim, but they are laying it on really thickly. And this is Lindsey - he has never ever been a saint. I still feel that FM was in the wrong to fire him - especially HOW they did it, but his new strategy is ridiculous for everyone who followed the band for longer.

[elle]

Originally Posted by AncientQueen

I feel that this is too much. After the long (and classy) time when Lindsey said nothing, he now paints the picture of himself being a saint, treacherously fired from the band, and how he desperately tried to stay in. His lawyers are advising him to play the innocent victim, but they are laying it on really thickly. And this is Lindsey - he has never ever been a saint. I still feel that FM was in the wrong to fire him - especially HOW they did it, but his new strategy is ridiculous for everyone who followed the band for longer.

i'm not really sure where you are getting that. Lindsey didn't write and titled this article, some journalist did.

if you read Rolling Stone interview with Lindsey, you would notice that both he and Kristen are very mindful to give a balanced picture, she even volunteering without any prompting how he was definitely way more "prickly" when they were first together in the 90s. and he is careful to say that he and everyone else in FM definitely always had a lot of issues, and that it just was what it was and they all lived with each other's problems.

[AncientQueen]

Originally Posted by elle

i'm not really sure where you are getting that. Lindsey didn't write and titled this article, some journalist did.

Yeah, but you posted it here and a similar article in another thread and now you say that they are not accurate. Maybe you want to explain that, I'm not getting it. I DO know that you really like Lindsey and feel bad for him, and I respect you for it.

Originally Posted by elle

if you read Rolling Stone interview with Lindsey, you would notice that both he and Kristen are very mindful to give a balanced picture, she even volunteering without any prompting how he was definitely way more "prickly" when they were first together in the 90s. and he is careful to say that he and everyone else in FM definitely always had a lot of issues, and that it just was what it was and they all lived with each other's problems.

I read it and I found the "prickly" comment rather honest and bold from Kristens part, the article WAS well balanced. And then? Sharing the e-mails and the general tone of the new articles are painting exactly the picture of an innocent victim that Lindsey, his PR and his lawyers are trying to paint right now. And the fans are lapping it up, even if we all know that Lindsey has never been anyone's victim.

That said, I hope that Lindsey wins the lawsuit (or makes a deal) and the band has to fork over quite some money, because he was part of the band that planned the tour and he deserves a part of the profit.

[elle]

Originally Posted by AncientQueen

Yeah, but you posted it here and a similar article in another thread and now you say that they are not accurate. Maybe you want to explain that, I'm not getting it. I DO know that you really like Lindsey and feel bad for him, and I respect you for it.

no i'm not saying it's not accurate. i'm saying that you ascribe to Lindsey the impressions and words written by others, journalists going for click-baits. but i do agree with those impressions and words, personally.

and as i said before, i've been hearing a lot of what is coming out now from different band members' camps since January. so this is not one-sided / LB's side only, all this information that is now finally coming out. and it's not impressions or some made-up stuff. they are just straight facts listed in the order it all happened. at the end of March he was still hoping they can talk and smooth things over.

band tried to project out there an impression since april that LB left the band on his own volition - and certain very loud groups of specific SN-fans on social media have insisted that's the case. now it turns out he tried everything to make them change their mind. it's just putting the facts out there. facts that the band tried to hide.

Lindsey suing now, after he exhausted all other avenues? it's not personal, it's just good business.

it's also clearing his name and legacy, that the rest of the band, especially Mick has been trying really hard to minimize. he would be a foll not to sue them.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by elle

i'm not really sure where you are getting that. Lindsey didn't write and titled this article, some journalist did.

Right, because some journalist abducted Lindsey and forced him at knifepoint to tell all of the lurid, evil workings of the band that made him famous. Of course he had an agenda and the timing of his new greatest "hits" compilation, tour, lawsuit and interview seems more than a bit suspect to me. Since the world is not exactly waiting on his latest solo project, he probably figured, well, scandalous attention is better than no attention at all. Indeed, what were his true motivations?

if you read Rolling Stone interview with Lindsey, you would notice that both he and Kristen are very mindful to give a balanced picture, she even volunteering without any prompting how he was definitely way more "prickly" when they were first together in the 90s.

HA! In other words St. Kristen came into Lindsey's life and finally tamed the shrew. She probably has almost as big of an ego as Lindsey. The thing about Lindsey, and arguably one of his greatest strengths, is his ability to keep his s*** together in front of an audience (or in this case, a reporter). You can see all of the cogs and gears spinning around in his head very carefully and with precision - like a Rolex watch. Every word that leaves his mouth is stated with intention, every movement calculated, every gesture rehearsed. You can see that he does the same choreography in concert every night like a robot - every speech committed to memory, every leap, every stoop, every feigned expression of humility, every yelp. It is as creepy as it is awe-inspiring, to be quite honest. So of course he is going to articulate this well-rehearsed story for the media that paints him as the victim and Fleetwood Mac, particularly Mick and Stevie, as savagely brutal.

I don't discount his account outright since we haven't heard FM's side of the story. However, based on what I have read, a lot of things just don't compute, i.e., this notion that the band ditched Lindsey for absolutely no reason at all. There has to be a reason.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I don't discount his account outright since we haven't heard FM's side of the story. However, based on what I have read, a lot of things just don't compute, i.e., this notion that the band ditched Lindsey for absolutely no reason at all. There has to be a reason.

That's the core thrust of the Complaint--there were and always had been various disagreements and the like, but when it comes to something as monumental and final as ejection from the partnership it becomes a question of proportionality, and the point that the Complaint and those supporting Lindsey in this matter are making is that (i) there was no conduct on Lindsey's side that could have warranted a reaction of this proportion, and (ii) if there was, it is highly unlikely that he would have filed this Complaint were he "guilty" and aware of such conduct.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

That's the core thrust of the Complaint--there were and always had been various disagreements and the like, but when it comes to something as monumental and final as ejection from the partnership it becomes a question of proportionality, and the point that the Complaint and those supporting Lindsey in this matter are making is that (i) there was no conduct on Lindsey's side that could have warranted a reaction of this proportion, and (ii) if there was, it is highly unlikely that he would have filed this Complaint were he "guilty" and aware of such conduct.

Uh, tons of lawsuits are filed and tossed out due to lack of merit or standing, and tons more result in a loss for the plaintiff. Merely filing a lawsuit says NOTHING about the validity of the allegations in the complaint.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Uh, tons of lawsuits are filed and tossed out due to lack of merit or standing, and tons more result in a loss for the plaintiff. Merely filing a lawsuit says NOTHING about the validity of the allegations in the complaint.

The point that I and others are making is that it would not be in Lindsey's character to launch a lawsuit that had no basis in law or fact.

To quote someone wiser than I:

The thing about Lindsey, and arguably one of his greatest strengths, is his ability to keep his s*** together in front of an audience (or in this case, a reporter). You can see all of the cogs and gears spinning around in his head very carefully and with precision - like a Rolex watch. Every word that leaves his mouth is stated with intention, every movement calculated, every gesture rehearsed. You can see that he does the same choreography in concert every night like a robot - every speech committed to memory, every leap, every stoop, every feigned expression of humility, every yelp. It is as creepy as it is awe-inspiring, to be quite honest.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

The point that I and others are making is that it would not be in Lindsey's character to launch a lawsuit that had no basis in law or fact.

Because you and everyone else are clearly BFFs with Lindsey and you all know his character. So what is Lindsey's character, exactly?

[Peestie]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I don't discount his account outright since we haven't heard FM's side of the story. However, based on what I have read, a lot of things just don't compute, i.e., this notion that the band ditched Lindsey for absolutely no reason at all. There has to be a reason.

Didn't we already get their reasons? They went on TV and said that they couldn't delay their tour like Lindsey was asking them. That seemed to be their only main complaint (publicly) and I don't remember them mentioning more.

Clearly Lindsey disagrees with this assertion, as his court filing suggests. But, unless I've missed something, we've heard both sides already: FM says Lindsey wanted to delay they tour and they wanted to move on, while Lindsey says he agreed to tour while offering no direct speculation on the reason he was fired in the court filings.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by Peestie

Didn't we already get their reasons? They went on TV and said that they couldn't delay their tour like Lindsey was asking them. That seemed to be their only main complaint (publicly) and I don't remember them mentioning more.

Clearly Lindsey disagrees with this assertion, as his court filing suggests. But, unless I've missed something, we've heard both sides already: FM says Lindsey wanted to delay they tour and they wanted to move on, while Lindsey says he agreed to tour while offering no direct speculation on the reason he was fired in the court filings.

You are correct.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

You are correct.

Tony, may I calmly say, "They are going to tell another truth?"

there, I said it..

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Tony, may I calmly say, "They are going to tell another truth?"

there, I said it..

Yes--you may say this, because that is what will happen. But we vigilant ones have been watching, keeping record.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by Peestie

Didn't we already get their reasons? They went on TV and said that they couldn't delay their tour like Lindsey was asking them. That seemed to be their only main complaint (publicly) and I don't remember them mentioning more.

Clearly Lindsey disagrees with this assertion, as his court filing suggests. But, unless I've missed something, we've heard both sides already: FM says Lindsey wanted to delay they tour and they wanted to move on, while Lindsey says he agreed to tour while offering no direct speculation on the reason he was fired in the court filings.

Not only he clearly disagrees but he also seems to be very comfortable with his truths and his actions. Therefore, he's suing them.

I don't see any member from the band debunking what Lindsey has said so far. Wonder why.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Right, because some journalist abducted Lindsey and forced him at knifepoint to tell all of the lurid, evil workings of the band that made him famous. Of course he had an agenda and the timing of his new greatest "hits" compilation, tour, lawsuit and interview seems more than a bit suspect to me. Since the world is not exactly waiting on his latest solo project, he probably figured, well, scandalous attention is better than no attention at all. Indeed, what were his true motivations?

His motivations? What was he supposed to do? Let his former bandmates get away with what they did. That's exactly what Mick and Stevie thought was gonna happen. Glad this man who once hosted Mick on his front yard when he went bankrupt is asking for his share. After all, he made the band famous.

HA! In other words St. Kristen came into Lindsey's life and finally tamed the shrew. She probably has almost as big of an ego as Lindsey. The thing about Lindsey, and arguably one of his greatest strengths, is his ability to keep his s*** together in front of an audience (or in this case, a reporter). You can see all of the cogs and gears spinning around in his head very carefully and with precision - like a Rolex watch. Every word that leaves his mouth is stated with intention, every movement calculated, every gesture rehearsed. You can see that he does the same choreography in concert every night like a robot - every speech committed to memory, every leap, every stoop, every feigned expression of humility, every yelp. It is as creepy as it is awe-inspiring, to be quite honest. So of course he is going to articulate this well-rehearsed story for the media that paints him as the victim and Fleetwood Mac, particularly Mick and Stevie, as savagely brutal.

I don't discount his account outright since we haven't heard FM's side of the story. However, based on what I have read, a lot of things just don't compute, i.e., this notion that the band ditched Lindsey for absolutely no reason at all. There has to be a reason.

We aren't talking about the Gypsy story that we have been hearing for the past 15 years here. We're talking about Lindsey. Creepy indeed.

You're right, there was a reason for Lindsey's firing. He stated it in his lawsuit. He "smirked". That's what Azoff said to him. So, let's see how she denies what Azoff said.