Why so much Stevie hating?

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by pauls90

Then she should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for her to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

How about turning it around a little bit? The band should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for them to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bwboy

How about turning it around a little bit? The band should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for them to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

Because she has been the biggest star(even though Lindsey and Christine hold their own). No one wants to go from arenas to theaters, and that might be what happens.

BUT, they have plenty of money(well, except maybe idiot Mick), and as long as they're enjoying whatever incarnation, they should go for it.

But of course they want to go out on top, and that probably requires having the FIVE of them. But she's playing hard(or impossible) to get, so I say kick her ass to the curb.

[pauls90]

Originally Posted by bwboy

How about turning it around a little bit? The band should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for them to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

What?? Because it's their band and they sincerely want and hope for her to be a part of it?

Why should THEY have to be the ones to say Stevie doesn't want to be on board??? Even with this new interview - she's saying she "thinks they should choose" a "tour over an album" but she still doesn't have the balls to just flatly say she doesn't want to do it.

She wants the rest of the band to be the bad guy. I hope they just put a record out and tour smaller shows without her. If she was truly invested in the band she would want to be an actual practicing *artist* and produce new material - not just keep doing the money grabbing greatest hits shows time after time after time after time after time after time.

But the band should not be responsible for making her uncomfortable announcements for her...

[Tango]

Originally Posted by pauls90

What?? Because it's their band and they sincerely want and hope for her to be a part of it?

Why should THEY have to be the ones to say Stevie doesn't want to be on board??? Even with this new interview - she's saying she "thinks they should choose" a "tour over an album" but she still doesn't have the balls to just flatly say she doesn't want to do it.

But the band should not be responsible for making her uncomfortable announcements for her...

Balls? How do you know what Stevie has said or not said to the band? We know nothing. But sometimes it seems like we, on The Ledge, become their little avatars. They don't have to fight at all. They can just say, "yeah, what he said."

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by pauls90

What?? Because it's their band and they sincerely want and hope for her to be a part of it?

Why should THEY have to be the ones to say Stevie doesn't want to be on board??? Even with this new interview - she's saying she "thinks they should choose" a "tour over an album" but she still doesn't have the balls to just flatly say she doesn't want to do it.

She wants the rest of the band to be the bad guy. I hope they just put a record out and tour smaller shows without her. If she was truly invested in the band she would want to be an actual practicing *artist* and produce new material - not just keep doing the money grabbing greatest hits shows time after time after time after time after time after time.

But the band should not be responsible for making her uncomfortable announcements for her...

Sorry, Paul, but I disagree. The band seems to want her to be the bad guy. Anybody can tell from this interview that Stevie doesn't want to record with them anymore. I think her reasoning is a little faulty- not wanting to make a record because it won't sell like previous albums seems silly to me, but that's her choice. I don't know if the band actually talks to each other or through attorneys or through interviews like this, but they should give her a deadline and if she doesn't show up, then they should go on without her. But I think they're just as much to blame as she is.

[bwboy]

This situation reminds me of when LeBron James left the Cavaliers a few years back. Fans were furious and said he had no right to leave Cleveland. Same thing here with Stevie- some fans think she owes them, actually OWES them another FM album! She doesn't, but the two situations are a lot alike. All of a sudden, former fans are badmouthing her, etc, which is hardly an effective way to change someone's mind, while other fans resent Christine and Lindsey for not just going on without her.

[Macfanforever]

I do agree with some on here that she should not hold the rest of the band hostage and just let them go and do without her which they have done with Lindsey and Chris in the past and got away with it without to much damage.Don't forgot that we are dealing with a band that had alot of employment changes with members over almost 50 years.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I don't know if the band actually talks to each other or through attorneys or through interviews like this, but they should give her a deadline and if she doesn't show up, then they should go on without her.

My guess would be they all talk to each other easily, comfortably and relatively regularly...except with Stevie. They'd probably all be a lot more comfortable and happier unit without her.

[Angel75]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

My guess would be they all talk to each other easily, comfortably and relatively regularly...except with Stevie. They'd probably all be a lot more comfortable and happier unit without her.

Not so sure, I think Stevie and Mick probably have a very close relationship with regular communication.....perhaps more so than other band members....Lindsey, Stevie and Mick have talked about those two being very close.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by Angel75

Not so sure, I think Stevie and Mick probably have a very close relationship with regular communication.....perhaps more so than other band members....Lindsey, Stevie and Mick have talked about those two being very close.

Mick, yes. The rest, no.
I'd guess she communicated with Mick a fair bit, Christine (since she's been back) a bit but still pretty infrequently, Lindsey and John hardly ever.
...but who knows.

I'd be really intrigued as to whether she's heard any of the material they've recorded. I'm sure they at least tried to get her to hear it. I wonder if they rehearsed any new songs before the tour in order to encourage Stevie?

[lennonfan]

this is all so sad.

I'd love to hear an album by that particular 4 piece. If she doesn't want to do it they should soldier on without her IMO.

[bombaysaffires]

I think there are two things going on-- first is the money bit, which we've all talked about-- and that is that the band likely won't sell as many records or as many seats on tour without Stevie. This of course is what they pay managers and lawyers and agents etc to worry about, so chances are that those folks around the various members are concerned about this and giving them advice on how to deal with it, which may well include "you should wait for Stevie". On the other hand, I think the band also has concerns that if they go forward without her, she will use her platform of the media to make either openly disparaging or negative remarks or more passive-aggressive ("damning with faint praise") kinds of remarks. She has in the past used this threat to get what she wants with the band ("How will it look if I go to Rolling Stone and tell them this or that"). She has learned very very well over the years how to use the press to get her point out (funnily enough I thought of this while recently watching an old piece about Princess Diana and a lot of the perspective of the presenters was about how she was much more savvy at exploiting the press than Charles to get people on her side etc). So I wouldn't be surprised if there was concern within the band or their circle about the risk of her giving interviews about how "disappointed" she was that the band for whom she's given up so much (cutting off the Bella Donna tour etc etc) didn't find it in their hearts to wait for her or whatever. (even though she's pretty clear if they wait for her to join them on a record they'll be waiting a very long, long time). And then they're in the middle of a potentially ugly media sh&tstorm and the band goes out on a really publicly sour note. It just feels like they are feeling between a rock and a hard place. I'd bet Lindsey is all for releasing something but Mick clearly is hedging his bets Stevie will change her mind and I feel like Christine is also hedging even though she wants to get the new music out.

[SteveMacD]

Stevie can go to the media all she wants, but so can Christine, and I think the media would be more sympathetic to the one who came out of retirement to be creative with her band over someone who didn't think making new music was financially justifiable.

I think Christine wants Stevie on board and is holding out some hope for that, but is also ready and willing to release it without her. I think she's accepted that Stevie's not going to be on the album.

[STEVEHEDRICK]

they wont release as fleetwood mac without her

[lilyfee]

Originally Posted by STEVEHEDRICK

they wont release as fleetwood mac without her

Definitely not.

They all care for her very much, and while Lindsey can be antagonistic towards Stevie, I do not think there can be any question that he wants her in the band just as much as, if not more than, anyone else.