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Old 11-01-2018, 12:23 PM
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Yeah, I know. It's bizarre that they played anything at all. Why would you play part of another song over the loudspeakers before starting to play "The Chain" live?

DownOnRodeo is right - Stevie would be in the wrong for insisting that, contrary to what they normally do, her song be randomly inserted there and played over the loudspeakers without asking the musical director or even letting him know.

Sounds like a power play to me.

Should Lindsey have kept his cool and not shouted at Karen, which is what apparently happened? Yeah, I can see that. Was it a fireable offense? Hell no. People raise their voices when they get upset. It happens. It's not like he smacked her. Plus, she has to take some responsibility for continually and deliberately antagonizing him.
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Old 11-01-2018, 12:53 PM
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$he is going to wake up one day and really feel horrible for what $he put in motion.
But she won’t. That’s the problem.

You know I always cherished John’s line, “I meant, leave the room,” because along with the humor, I always felt a sense of regret behind those words.

There’s no regret now, only ego and hostility.
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Old 11-01-2018, 01:00 PM
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But she won’t. That’s the problem.

You know I always cherished John’s line, “I meant, leave the room,” because along with the humor, I always felt a sense of regret behind those words.

There’s no regret now, only ego and hostility.
Many of the folks around her even folks that assist other band members have told me how $he's become $ouless and like a dictator.
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Old 11-01-2018, 02:58 PM
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But let the waltzing continue
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Old 11-01-2018, 03:03 PM
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Clearly, the smirking was some kind of smoke screen for seedy antics. Otherwise, the waltzing should have made her run at Chris and Mick with a machete.
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Old 11-01-2018, 03:07 PM
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I mean, I don't doubt that Lindsey probably did think they just shouldn't play anything at all, but am I the only who thinks maybe the fact that it was Rhiannon bothered him more? If he supposedly threw a fit over it, I doubt it was JUST because he didn't want anything playing. I think he didn't want anything playing and he especially didn't want a signature Stevie song playing. No one should underestimate the big power struggle between those two. If they had played GYOW or Little Lies I doubt he would've been as bothered.
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Old 11-01-2018, 03:39 PM
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I mean, I don't doubt that Lindsey probably did think they just shouldn't play anything at all, but am I the only who thinks maybe the fact that it was Rhiannon bothered him more? If he supposedly threw a fit over it, I doubt it was JUST because he didn't want anything playing. I think he didn't want anything playing and he especially didn't want a signature Stevie song playing. No one should underestimate the big power struggle between those two. If they had played GYOW or Little Lies I doubt he would've been as bothered.
I see what you're saying. I guess it's possible that the fact it was Rhiannon irked him all the more. Or maybe what irked him was that, somehow, Karen Johnston was the person responsible for instructing the show management to play it. Maybe Lindsey had decided earlier that he didn't want anything played at that point, got the band's agreement (except Stevie?) and Karen slyly superceded that decision. Is that out of the realm of possibility? In the 2003 doc, there's something weird going on under the surface with Lindsey, Stevie, and Karen Johnston—as if Karen and Stevie were periodically attempting to undermine Lindsey's decision making and strategic authority.

What elle and others said earlier also makes sense: No walkout music is needed for reasons of aesthetics, tradition, and impact. They walk out unaccompanied by any music for a standard concert. Many, many years ago, the Exorcist theme played over the loudspeakers right up to the point at which the band took the stage. But I never heard any music play while the band was being led out onstage by roadies in the dark. You can play a million old audience concert tapes and not hear anything but crowd noise before Say You Love Me or Monday Morning or Second Hand News. It's a hallowed Fleetwood Mac practice, and maybe Karen (with Stevie?) foisted herself into the mix unilaterally—perhaps even as a practical joke. "Lindsey's eyes would bug out of his head if we told the sound crew to play Rhiannon while we walk out." I think that's what touched off the fury—the battle of the dragons!

Another thing about musical director. It's an elastic title. One band's musical director might be another band's flunky—or at least butler. In Fleetwood Mac, the musical director has to be Lindsey. That doesn't mean he is making all musical decisions, but he's the person sitting with Mark Needham or Chris Lord-Alge or Mitchell Froom during mixing and mastering. He's either producing or co-producing in the studio. As such, he's the musical director. Studio authority spills over onto the tour. Onstage, he's lead guitarist, co-lead singer, and co-lead songwriter. It makes more sense for him to be musical director than anyone else (in the pre-Buckingham days, some newspaper articles indicated that Christine took control of the decision-making reins onstage, strange as it may seem). But even calling Lindsey the obvious musical director isn't a slight on anyone else because we need to ask ourselves (or Fleetwood Mac) what the musical director actually does in that band. Does he make the final decision on the set list? Does he order the set? Does he make sure the front-of-house mix is where it should be—in other words, he's the guy most frequently interacting directly with the guys on the soundboard? Does he help settle new keys for songs that need to be changed because somebody can't sing them in the same key as twenty years ago? Does he give critical feedback during rehearsals? In Fleetwood Mac, all five are going to make decisions, and any musical director or producer is going to accommodate them much of the time.

Generally, the image of the autocratic musical director is more pronounced in a situation where a bunch of session players have been hired, like with Stevie's solo bands. I think the title is very elastic and somewhat jokey in the context of a Fleetwood Mac, where each guy is a full-fledged member with an opinion and the right to voice it.
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Old 11-01-2018, 04:41 PM
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I didn't realize Lindsey yelled at Stevie's assistant over the walkout music. You don't yell at someone else's employee like that. If anything, he should have asked Stevie to have a word with her assistant.

I'm starting to have a more mixed view of things.
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Old 11-01-2018, 04:45 PM
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For wall we know, Karen might have told Stevie she was going to quit if Stevie didn't do something about how Lindsey treated her, and Stevie chose to her back up her assistant rather than Lindsey. I wouldn't blame her for that one bit.
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Did you watch the video? Karen has been getting in Lindsey’s face since SYW was recorded. If Stevie doesn’t like Karen in confrontations with Lindsey, she shouldn’t send Karen out to do battle with Lindsey. Karen does Stevie’s dirty work.
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Did you watch the video? Karen has been getting in Lindsey’s face since SYW was recorded. If Stevie doesn’t like Karen in confrontations with Lindsey, she shouldn’t send Karen out to do battle with Lindsey. Karen does Stevie’s dirty work.
Exactly! He shouldn't have to take sh*t off some appointed peon!
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Old 11-01-2018, 06:16 PM
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What video? Is there a link?
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Old 11-01-2018, 06:18 PM
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I mean the Destiny Rules documentary.
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