They Really Dropped the Ball.. - Page 51

strandinthewind · #**751** 09-12-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed

Don't mean to interrupt the Cooperporn, but just (accidentally) tuned in to Scarborough Country, and Joe Scarborough is practically screaming. Yes, screaming, about the bungled relief efforts, and the fact that "officials" all over the disaster zone are STILL refusing supplies and help from charities.

Can't wait till Crooks&Liars posts this!

According to the mayors of several MS and LA cities on Larry King last night, FEMA has yet to help them to any significant degree

amber · #**752** 09-12-2005, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

It was shocking at the time. As Lux pointed out, because they weren't doing their jobs. Many people just felt it was inappropriate to go against the president while going into war. But I thought the truth was more important than that.

When the gov't decides to go to war is when you should be questioning them the most.

SuzeQuze · #**753** 09-12-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Here's the transcript. You can click the link and read Lawson's explanation, but he admits to knowing nothing about it, so it's not even worth it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/acd.01.html

COOPER: Well the one fact that no one disputes about this bridge over the Mississippi that you see behind me is that it was closed by authorities after the worst happened in New Orleans. But as for why the bridge was closed, about that there is disagreement, angry and passionate disagreement between those who closed it and those who wanted to get to the other side.

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They treated them like criminals when they were just looking for water, food, shelter. And to take away water and food? If there were just 80 people there, why couldn't they take them to an auditorium or something? Why were they so mean? These people were dehydrated and starving. Plus they'd seen things no one should see.

I hope Anderson does get to the bottom of this.

Is anyone talking about the horrible things that happened at the convention center anymore? It seems like people have let that go, is it too heinous? Some of the reports from there still haunt me.

SuzeQuze · #**754** 09-12-2005, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

When the gov't decides to go to war is when you should be questioning them the most.

That's right. Remember how mean people were to the war protesters?

dissention · #**755** 09-12-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

That's right. Remember how mean people were to the war protesters?

I certainly do. The cops were f*ckers, too, especially one of them that arrested me at Westover in Chicopee. It amazes me how people these days find protesters so offensive. I don't get it.

dissention · #**756** 09-12-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

They treated them like criminals when they were just looking for water, food, shelter. And to take away water and food? If there were just 80 people there, why couldn't they take them to an auditorium or something? Why were they so mean? These people were dehydrated and starving. Plus they'd seen things no one should see.

I hope Anderson does get to the bottom of this.

Is anyone talking about the horrible things that happened at the convention center anymore? It seems like people have let that go, is it too heinous? Some of the reports from there still haunt me.

He had video footage of inside the convention center on Friday that was really shocking. Nothing but filth, from wall to wall, and it just looked like a place where people had suffered and died. The one good thing was that they found two abandoned dogs when they went in to film and got them out of there.

SuzeQuze · #**757** 09-12-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I certainly do. The cops were f*ckers, too, especially one of them that arrested me at Westover in Chicopee. It amazes me how people these days find protesters so offensive. I don't get it.

Oooh, you got arrested, you're a badass! Was it our public school experience which brainwashed us to have an inflated sense of nationalism? People who haven't gone to college often see the US as the center of the universe and if you are not for us you must be against us. I think the Social Studies curriculum is part of it. Although here in MA we are liberal so I learned a lot of stuff that would probably make the reds heads spin.

strandinthewind · #**758** 09-12-2005, 09:37 PM

Reaction to Katrina split on racial lines
More blacks view race as factor in federal response

(CNN) -- White and black Americans view Hurricane Katrina's aftermath in starkly different ways, with more blacks viewing race a factor in problems with the federal response, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

The poll found that six in 10 blacks interviewed said the federal government was slow in rescuing those stranded in New Orleans after Katrina because many of the people in the Louisiana city were black. But only about one in eight white respondents shared that view.

The numbers were similar on whether the rescues were slower because the victims were poor, with 63 percent of blacks blaming poverty and 21 percent of whites doing so.

The poll, based on interviews with 848 whites and 262 blacks September 8-11, had a margin of error of plus or minus 6 percentage points. (Interactive)

In a separate survey on Katrina reaction that was not broken down by race, a majority of those interviewed said they disapproved of President Bush's handling of the disaster. (Full story)

Before the release of the polls, Bush denied allegations that the response to Katrina was slower because the thousands of people stuck in New Orleans were mostly poor and black. (See video on Bush's response to criticism -- 2:28)

"The storm didn't discriminate, and neither will we in the recovery effort," said Bush, who toured the streets of New Orleans on Monday for the first time since the storm hit August 29.

But according the poll broken down by race, blacks were more likely to blame Bush for problems in New Orleans, with 37 percent holding him most to blame for the fact that many residents were trapped inside the city after it flooded.

Twenty percent of blacks primarily blamed New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, 11 percent blamed the residents themselves and 27 percent blamed no one at all.

Among whites, 29 percent blamed Nagin, 27 percent blamed the residents, 15 percent blamed Bush and 24 percent held no one responsible.

Just over half of whites interviewed -- 51 percent -- said bureaucratic inefficiency was a bigger obstacle in the response than neglected domestic needs. But 56 percent of blacks blamed the domestic needs, such as emergency preparedness and infrastructure.

More blacks than whites said they were angry about the government's response to Katrina, 76 percent to 60 percent, and Bush is one target of their ire.

Among blacks, only 15 percent said Bush did a good job in the initial days after Katrina, and 36 percent thought he did a good job in recent days. The number for whites was 49 percent for the initial days and 63 percent more recently.

With federal agencies in general, as compared with ratings for Bush in particular, the approval for the initial response was 13 percentage points lower among whites and 13 points higher among blacks.

On the question of whether Bush cares about black people, 67 percent of whites said they believe the president does care, but only 21 percent of blacks agreed.

A majority of both races said there should be an investigation by an independent panel into problems with the government's response, with 88 percent of blacks and 67 percent of whites backing such an inquiry.

Poll results indicated that issues related to the Katrina response are likely to have more staying power in the black community, with 71 percent of blacks paying close attention to the story, compared with 56 percent of whites.

The reaction to looting in New Orleans in the days after the hurricane also broke down along racial lines.

Half of all whites said people who broke into stores and took things were mostly criminals. Only 16 percent of blacks agreed, with 77 percent saying the looters were mostly desperate people trying to find a way to survive.

Seventy-seven percent of blacks were bothered when the residents who evacuated were referred to as "refugees," while only 37 percent of whites had a problem with the term.

The poll was taken in the days before Monday's resignation by Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. (See video on Brown's resignation -- 2:16 )

In the survey, 54 percent of blacks said Brown should be fired, compared with 45 percent of whites.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/12/kat...oll/index.html

dissention · #**759** 09-12-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Oooh, you got arrested, you're a badass!

Considering that I was arrested along with nuns from Elms College, the badass factor is slightly diminished.

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Was it our public school experience which brainwashed us to have an inflated sense of nationalism? People who haven't gone to college often see the US as the center of the universe and if you are not for us you must be against us. I think the Social Studies curriculum is part of it. Although here in MA we are liberal so I learned a lot of stuff that would probably make the reds heads spin.

Public school certainly played a big part in it, definitely. Textbooks are pretty horrific, they always have been. Everything is "America, yeah! Ra ra ra!" with no real perspective.

Livia · #**760** 09-12-2005, 09:46 PM

Just wanted to mention that Cheney visited Austin over the weekend. There were protesters with signs outside the convention center. One of them said, "Cheney, go FEMA yourself!"

I'll try to find the pic online and post it.

SuzeQuze · #**761** 09-12-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Considering that I was arrested along with nuns from Elms College, the badass factor is slightly diminished.

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Those were some badass nuns! Seriously, they arrested nuns? In their habits and everything? What a disgrace.

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Originally Posted by dissention

Public school certainly played a big part in it, definitely. Textbooks are pretty horrific, they always have been. Everything is "America, yeah! Ra ra ra!" with no real perspective.

Did you see Team America World Police? The theme song, "Americaaaaa, f*ck yeah!"

That about sums it up.

SuzeQuze · #**762** 09-12-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Just wanted to mention that Cheney visited Austin over the weekend. There were protesters with signs outside the convention center. One of them said, "Cheney, go FEMA yourself!"

I'll try to find the pic online and post it.

That got a good belly laugh, thanks for sharing.