Tusk at 40: FM's defining record

[johnnystorms]

Originally Posted by ViscountViktor

Easy to see why. Most popular member of the group and not being used in favour of about 8 Lindseys on each track.

Absolutely agree. She was Lindsey's 'ex' and Chris' "little sister" in the initial band dynamic, and after becoming the breakout star to the public, the internal band hierarchy never changed. Sooooooo…. she went her "own way".

[elle]

Originally Posted by johnnystorms

Absolutely agree. She was Lindsey's 'ex' and Chris' "little sister" in the initial band dynamic, and after becoming the breakout star to the public, the internal band hierarchy never changed. Sooooooo…. she went her "own way".

i think you are onto something. the main band dynamic didn't really change for decades, but it was just slowly shifting. it did very much shift for Chris when she left and came back though, she lost all her power - or she perceived that she lost it.

the only part of what you wrote that is inaccurate is that Stevie went her own way. if she did, neither Stevie fans or Fleetwood Mac fans would have a problem with it. and in the band, only FM member who would have a problem with it would be money thirsty Mick.

instead of going her own way - which she fully could have when she was on the top, and it would have made way healthier atmosphere for everyone (just watch recording of Buckingham McVie video!), seems she was bent on proving to everyone inside the band (well, lets be real - mainly to Lindsey!) that she can and should be in control of Fleetwood Mac, and everyone outside that she IS Fleetwood Mac.

took her decades, and finally she was successful in 2018. now, Mick doesn't even have a control of Fleetwood Mac social media anymore. they post Stevie solo stuff, but they never posted anything about Mick's big London tribute to original Fleetwood Mac.

[Macfan4life]

There is a similar theme I brought up in the Mirage thread about Stevie being used so little. IMHO, the Mac knew of Stevie's popularity and how the crowd roared when she spun around on stage or hit the bathroom when she left the stage. It annoyed them she sometimes would be referred to as the "lead singer' of Fleetwood Mac. I believe the band mostly from Lindsey went out of the way to make sure she was not seen controlling the band or as a lead singer. Stevie never had the lead single off any Fleetwood Mac album even after Christine left. Stevie never had the lead song off any album except one (Angel on Tusk which was a double album). Coincidence, I think not.
Things really got extreme during Mirage. Stevie just came off a hugely successful Bella Donna and the band was not going to budge but to give Stevie 3 songs.
Stevie had incredible material in 1982. The Mac created this wonderful demo of Sleeping Angel that she ended up recording almost exactly like the Mac demo and giving it away to Fast Times soundtrack. She had amazing demos like Smile At You yet they were passed over for Oh Diane? If the band was objective they would make sure the best songs went on the album even if it meant taking one song from Lindsey and give another spot to Stevie. But no way in hell they were going to showcase Stevie's songs after Bella Donna.

[BLY]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

There is a similar theme I brought up in the Mirage thread about Stevie being used so little. IMHO, the Mac knew of Stevie's popularity and how the crowd roared when she spun around on stage or hit the bathroom when she left the stage. It annoyed them she sometimes would be referred to as the "lead singer' of Fleetwood Mac. I believe the band mostly from Lindsey went out of the way to make sure she was not seen controlling the band or as a lead singer. Stevie never had the lead single off any Fleetwood Mac album even after Christine left. Stevie never had the lead song off any album except one (Angel on Tusk which was a double album). Coincidence, I think not.
Things really got extreme during Mirage. Stevie just came off a hugely successful Bella Donna and the band was not going to budge but to give Stevie 3 songs.
Stevie had incredible material in 1982. The Mac created this wonderful demo of Sleeping Angel that she ended up recording almost exactly like the Mac demo and giving it away to Fast Times soundtrack. She had amazing demos like Smile At You yet they were passed over for Oh Diane? If the band was objective they would make sure the best songs went on the album even if it meant taking one song from Lindsey and give another spot to Stevie. But no way in hell they were going to showcase Stevie's songs after Bella Donna.

Yes..that pretty much is what happened which is a shame. Stevie said she did the solo thing because of only having 2 songs on an Album wasn’t enough. Well, she obviously wasn’t interested in being in a band.

[button-lip]

I don't think she started a solo career because she didn't have enough songs on each album. She wanted the solo thing, no doubt about that. Besides, she had so much material it was impossible to put it all in the band's albums.
Please, no one pushed her to a solo career! She always wanted to be in charge and she realized the only way to do it was with a solo career.

[ViscountViktor]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

There is a similar theme I brought up in the Mirage thread about Stevie being used so little. IMHO, the Mac knew of Stevie's popularity and how the crowd roared when she spun around on stage or hit the bathroom when she left the stage. It annoyed them she sometimes would be referred to as the "lead singer' of Fleetwood Mac. I believe the band mostly from Lindsey went out of the way to make sure she was not seen controlling the band or as a lead singer. Stevie never had the lead single off any Fleetwood Mac album even after Christine left. Stevie never had the lead song off any album except one (Angel on Tusk which was a double album). Coincidence, I think not.
Things really got extreme during Mirage. Stevie just came off a hugely successful Bella Donna and the band was not going to budge but to give Stevie 3 songs.
Stevie had incredible material in 1982. The Mac created this wonderful demo of Sleeping Angel that she ended up recording almost exactly like the Mac demo and giving it away to Fast Times soundtrack. She had amazing demos like Smile At You yet they were passed over for Oh Diane? If the band was objective they would make sure the best songs went on the album even if it meant taking one song from Lindsey and give another spot to Stevie. But no way in hell they were going to showcase Stevie's songs after Bella Donna.

This is spot on. It was spite and jealousy from Lindsey, understandable in a way seeing as he had literally brought her into the band, and in the eyes of the public she had usurped him as the force behind Fleetwood Mac. So he basically got her to do as little as possible without the fans complaining, hence we have Mirage and Tango where she is on a combined total of 8 songs. Less than a full album.

[elle]

Originally Posted by ViscountViktor

This is spot on. It was spite and jealousy from Lindsey, understandable in a way seeing as he had literally brought her into the band, and in the eyes of the public she had usurped him as the force behind Fleetwood Mac. So he basically got her to do as little as possible without the fans complaining, hence we have Mirage and Tango where she is on a combined total of 8 songs. Less than a full album.

aren't you bored yet of posting the same basic statement in different way for like a month now?

Stevie dumped Lindsey. you may be the kind of person who will do everything you can to lift up and help the partner that dumped you and doesn't let you move on, but most people have hard time dealing with that. Lindsey has been very clear in interviews that it was hard to do.

[mitzo]

Originally Posted by elle

aren't you bored yet of posting the same basic statement in different way for like a month now?

Stevie dumped Lindsey. you may be the kind of person who will do everything you can to lift up and help the partner that dumped you and doesn't let you move on, but most people have hard time dealing with that. Lindsey has been very clear in interviews that it was hard to do.

It is likely that she dumped him as he became increasingly bitter and jealous that she captured the fame and not him. He really should have been grateful that she made him rich.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by mitzo

It is likely that she dumped him as he became increasingly bitter and jealous that she captured the fame and not him. He really should have been grateful that she made him rich.

Do you wish the worst for Lindsey?

[lbfan]

Originally Posted by mitzo

It is likely that she dumped him as he became increasingly bitter and jealous that she captured the fame and not him. He really should have been grateful that she made him rich.

It is pretty well documented that their breakup started before they even joined FM (“cracks in the relationship”), before the hit records and the fame.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by mitzo

It is likely that she dumped him as he became increasingly bitter and jealous that she captured the fame and not him. He really should have been grateful that she made him rich.

It's almost as if you don't have any knowledge of the timeline of Fleetwood Mac history as it relates to these two, their relationship, and it's long demise.