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Old 05-21-2019, 04:42 AM
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Almost six years to the day since I last posted here, but here goes...

I think this performance of 'Landslide' is the beginning of the choreography of public reconciliation. (I believe the private reconciliation has already happened, or is under way.)

In this choice of song, choice of accompanist, decision to record and release the video, I don't see 'we go high', in the sense of being a retaliation in an ongoing battle. I see a signal that a peace treaty is coming.

KB in particular has a little bit of a climbdown to do, having engaged her antagonists in public. That was COMPLETELY understandable and justified, btw. Don't come at me claiming I'm saying she was wrong. She. Was. Not.

But their rhetoric - hers and LB's - is now about love, and forgiveness. And I think they're sincere about that. So prepare yourself. LB might not go back to the band, but there is going to be a rapprochement of some kind.

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Old 05-21-2019, 06:15 AM
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Almost six years to the day since I last posted here, but here goes...

I think this performance of 'Landslide' is the beginning of the choreography of public reconciliation. (I believe the private reconciliation has already happened, or is under way.)

In this choice of song, choice of accompanist, decision to record and release the video, I don't see 'we go high', in the sense of being a retaliation in an ongoing battle. I see a signal that a peace treaty is coming.

KB in particular has a little bit of a climbdown to do, having engaged her antagonists in public. That was COMPLETELY understandable and justified, btw. Don't come at me claiming I'm saying she was wrong. She. Was. Not.

But their rhetoric - hers and LB's - is now about love, and forgiveness. And I think they're sincere about that. So prepare yourself. LB might not go back to the band, but there is going to be a rapprochement of some kind.
I don’t know where you read forgiveness in KB’s posts. Love, yes, forgiveness, no. She mostly implied you just need to let it go and enjoy what you have. She just recently called them “awful people”, and she was being polite IMO.

Why would they ask for forgiveness if they’re still claiming that what they did was the right thing to do for the band’s survival?
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:36 AM
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I don’t know where you read forgiveness in KB’s posts. Love, yes, forgiveness, no. She mostly implied you just need to let it go and enjoy what you have. She just recently called them “awful people”, and she was being polite IMO.

Why would they ask for forgiveness if they’re still claiming that what they did was the right thing to do for the band’s survival?
Forgiveness and letting things go are close cousins. I said it was the beginning, that's all. As for why FM would want forgiveness - it depends on what everyone wants. There could certainly be a desire to express regret at how the situation escalated. But you're right: MF and CM have added a gloss to LB's ejection that it hard to come back from, but not impossible. I mean, you've seen these people, right? Mick could melt his neck down and make door knockers for half of England out of it.

I don't think LB will ever be back in the band, but that's more because of the complications of who replaced him. I wouldn't be surprised if NF and MC would be more than okay with it if Chris or John said they wanted to retire, and then the 'new band' can quietly dissolve without anyone calling them out on it.

I guess I think it's more about understanding. LB's big on that and I think SN also wants to move on, make peace before it's too late for either of them. They can agree to never see each other ever again, wish one another well, without being in a state of cold war. My hunch is that this 'Landslide' is the first move in making it known to the public that that's happened or is happening now. They're trying to move the fans' anger onto the same higher plane. Seems obvious to me.
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:31 AM
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Forgiveness and letting things go are close cousins. I said it was the beginning, that's all. As for why FM would want forgiveness - it depends on what everyone wants. There could certainly be a desire to express regret at how the situation escalated. But you're right: MF and CM have added a gloss to LB's ejection that it hard to come back from, but not impossible. I mean, you've seen these people, right? Mick could melt his neck down and make door knockers for half of England out of it.

I don't think LB will ever be back in the band, but that's more because of the complications of who replaced him. I wouldn't be surprised if NF and MC would be more than okay with it if Chris or John said they wanted to retire, and then the 'new band' can quietly dissolve without anyone calling them out on it.

I guess I think it's more about understanding. LB's big on that and I think SN also wants to move on, make peace before it's too late for either of them. They can agree to never see each other ever again, wish one another well, without being in a state of cold war. My hunch is that this 'Landslide' is the first move in making it known to the public that that's happened or is happening now. They're trying to move the fans' anger onto the same higher plane. Seems obvious to me.
Why is it so important that they're on good terms when clearly the band doesn't want to be on good terms with him? They kicked him out, they barely expressed concern after his heart attack (I'm still waiting for Nicks to dedícate Landslide to Lindsey), and after yesterday's news they still don't want to have anything to do with him. They're not asking for his or his family's forgiveness because they're convinced there's nothing to forgive.
They also don't care about the fans' opinion, as long as they're still buying tickets.

I wouldn't read much into this Landslide performance, really. Just another HS thing. Like many people have expressed here, it's a popular choice.
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:34 AM
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I don't read anything into LB not opening his mouth at that event. It was probably in the middle of a series of songs the chorus prepared and he exited quietly to keep the program flowing. This was about the high school graduates, not LB and he graciously got out of the way as soon as his bit was over. It seems clear he's coming to sit down next to Kristen to watch the rest of it.

(I realize he IS seeing a vocal specialist and therefore is having voice issues, but I would not expect him to speak in that particular clip either way.)
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:58 AM
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Why is it so important that they're on good terms when clearly the band doesn't want to be on good terms with him? They kicked him out, they barely expressed concern after his heart attack (I'm still waiting for Nicks to dedícate Landslide to Lindsey), and after yesterday's news they still don't want to have anything to do with him.
I think it would be naive to assume that everything that is public is also everything that happens.
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I think it would be naive to assume that everything that is public is also everything that happens.
Not less than to assume that because Lindsey's daughter performed Landslide, his father's ex bandmates are loving him again.
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Not less than to assume that because Lindsey's daughter performed Landslide, his father's ex bandmates are loving him again.
haha, that eye roll badge is great! But no, the only thing I'd bet you five pounds on is that this performance of 'Landslide' is definitely NOT just high school stuff. LB and SN have a very long history of sending signals rather than talking. This was a signal - and in fact it's my hypothesis that its audience is the fans.

We can argue what it means, but you won't convince me it doesn't mean anything.

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haha, that eye roll badge is great! But no, the only thing I'd bet you five pounds on is that this performance of 'Landslide' is definitely NOT just high school stuff. LB and SN have a very long history of sending signals rather than talking. This was a signal - and in fact it's my hypothesis that its audience is the fans.

We can argue what it means, but you won't convince me it doesn't mean anything.
I'm not interested in convincing you on anything, Believe what you want. Truth is you don't know more tan I do. You're just speculating.

Nicks' last signal to Lindsey was loud and clear. She doesn't want to work with him anymore. She ruined her relationship with him and with his family forever. I'm sure she knew what she was doing the moment she orchestrated it.

I'm concerned about Lindsey's health now. That's all I care about. Some fans are yearning for a reunion, just to see them all together for a last time. It won't change what they did to him. What Stevie specifically did to him. I'm sorry about all those shipper hearts, but it is what it is.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:12 AM
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while i like your optimistic dreamy outlook, jellyman10, i see several things wrong with it -

you are looking for signals on the wrong side. LB was always open to reconciliation and forgiving those backstabbing evil people. he was always clear he loves them despite all their shortcomings. so Buck side is not where you should look for reconciliation signs. Mick and Stevie are the ones that need to grovel.

in just a few short weeks your theory will unfortunately most probably be completely debunked, when Fakewoods start again with their ridiculous advertising of the current tour. if they do a complete 180 in their tone and start putting LB in the stars where he belongs all of the sudden, instead of pretending he's insignificant little wheel in the long history of FM machine, that you were somehow miraculously right.
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I think SN also wants to move on, make peace before it's too late for either of them.
sounds like you think that Stevie's recent pneumonia bout somehow made her foggy self-centered ignorant mind suddenly realize maybe there's hell where nobody cares if someone was a bigger commercial star, so now she all of the sudden has regrets? because she certainly didn't show any when Lindsey almost died or when she was turning 70 and instead of finally growing up decided it's the right time for a final stab.
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We can argue what it means, but you won't convince me it doesn't mean anything.
I completely agree with you that it meant something.

It wasn't just a, "ooh let me play guitar on this classic coming of age song, then come over to my house afterwards for some deviled eggs guys!"
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I completely agree with you that it meant something.

It wasn't just a, "ooh let me play guitar on this classic coming of age song, then come over to my house afterwards for some deviled eggs guys!"
in the words of Kristen Buckingham:

Last night was epic. First time I’ve seen Lindsey play in the last 4 mos, all the while Leelee ending her high school career. AND she sings a little Landslide with her dad. I cried, I’ll admit it. Never know what’s ahead so enjoy the moment...




definitely means something.
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I was surprised, happily, that there were so many articles written about this performance.

I wish they would mention his "shelved" album so as to raise awareness of and interest in it.

There is no telling what kind of release it will receive, so this type of awareness could stand in for extended touring.

In the meantime, while his getting healthy, I can't help but think that the events of the last two years would probably be inspiring a LOT of feelings for songs that just could not be reflected in the shelved album.

I believe we will be hearing more music, beyond the shelved album, from him, one way or another.
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while i like your optimistic dreamy outlook, jellyman10, i see several things wrong with it -

you are looking for signals on the wrong side. LB was always open to reconciliation and forgiving those backstabbing evil people. he was always clear he loves them despite all their shortcomings. so Buck side is not where you should look for reconciliation signs. Mick and Stevie are the ones that need to grovel.
This is really the crux of it. I don't want to pile on jellyman10's theory -- Lord knows I've concocted a few in my day to try to explain the actions of these people... But the main problem with it is that Lindsey from Day 1 has always been open to reconciliation. From the texts to Mick that became public in the lawsuit to the CBS interview with Anthony Mason, he's always stated he has an openness to forgive them and move beyond this. Much to the chagrin of many here, and potentially even (at times) his wife.

It's the other side that's made no such statements and doesn't appear to know or care how their remarks about him come across. And we have no idea how they're interpreting this high school performance.
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