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I mean I do not think it is silly at all to compare the Irish being brought to the U.S. in the late 1700 and 1800's basically against their will (go to America or die of starvation) for the sole purpose of providing cheap labor that the employers knew most likely would die while providing is any better than being brought here against you will in a slave situation. I submit they are both equally as horrible but at least the slaves got fed, housed, and cared for. The Irish essentially were brought here to die had no such "luxury;" they were considered an expendable resource while the slaves were considered an asset. In fact, the North basically bribed the Irish males getting off of the boats in New York to become citizens right there and then and then shipped them of to fight for the Union Army in the Civil War; which I assert was the same as sending them to their deaths. Interestingly, the same could be said for a significant number of the Chinese in this period. After all, the railroads used them as a resource as opposed to an asset as well. In the end, I am just tired of everyone saying one group had it worse than another group did 200 years ago. I say we all just need to accept that it was all horrible and move on. Until we move on, I assert no peace can be had. But, people cannot do that; they seem to want to get bogged down in this my great . . . great grandparents had it much harder than your's did. So, pay me. That is just beyond me as I see no logic in it. But others do and the debate, therefore continues and probably will 200 years from now. Last edited by strandinthewind; 01-24-2004 at 03:16 PM.. |
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Here are some sites regarding the history of the Irish. Note: most are thesis, which means they are probably not that neutral in there conclusion, but the facts appear sound:
http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~mmagouli/irish.htm http://www.artsci.lsu.edu/phil/facul.../gernon03.html |
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Interestingly, I equate Pat Robertson with people like Michael Moore. Both use fear, prejudice, and incorrect facts to make their points. Yet, I have seen Michael Moore praised. I think that is wrong. I think his form of hatred of the far right is just as bad as Pat Robertson's form of hatred. Yet, when Michael Moore is atrtacked it is like all of sudden everyone is entitled to their opinion. I do not get that. Last edited by strandinthewind; 01-24-2004 at 03:12 PM.. |
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I actually don't care one bit for Michael Moore. Liberal or Conservative, I don't care for the man and the way he railroads people. But that's just me... I've never liked that style. Still, having said that, I think anything Michael Moore does is utterly innocuous when you consider the fact that Pat Robertson disguises his intolerance and prejudices as a love for God. He implies, or downright states, to his followers that homosexuality (for example) is a sinful, contemptable thing, and he asks them to pray for the "safety" of marriage, and for the retirement of the liberal Supreme Court justices who helped strike down the law against sodomy. He also states that God will punish all those who do things to help benefit gays. And he does all of this while professing that he's teaching God's word, and following God's wishes. I'm sorry, but that's absolutely heinous, and is far worse than anything Michael Moore has ever said or done. So I definitely don't see a comparison.
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Okay, Iwent to the Democratic National Committe website ( www.dnc.org ) and typed in reparation in the search engine. Nothing came up. So, I conclude the DNC has no stated position on this issue.
Interestingly, when you put slavery into the search engine, you get the 2000 Democratic Platform. Then, in the section in which slavery is mentioned, it says: BUILDING ONE AMERICA Democrats believe that God has given the people of our nation not only a chance, but a mission to prove to men and women throughout this world that people of different racial and ethnic backgrounds, of all faiths and creeds, can not only work and live together, but can enrich and ennoble both themselves and our purpose. America's diversity is expanding, yet amidst important signs of progress, there is widespread evidence of persistent discrimination, growing racial segregation of our schools and neighborhoods, and dream-crushing barriers to opportunity. We cannot - we dare not - remain a nation divided. Our vision is of an America healed of hatreds and misunderstanding, with equality and opportunity so rich that legacies of discrimination and exclusion will be found only in history books, and not in our communities. To that end, Democrats support creation of a commission of distinguished scholars and civic leaders to examine the history of slavery, discrimination, and exclusion suffered by all minorities; to report on the continuing effects of those tragic chapters in our history; and to make appropriate recommendations on behalf of the American people. ___________________________________________________ I had to chuckle and think - like W, the Democrats think God has given them a mission. |
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Society shouldn't be overly concerned with them. Just keep educating yourselves and make up your own minds. Rob
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** Sigh ** Rob Nice find...
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And, frankly, that's scary. It's one thing to write him off as an extemist, but it's another to think that there are powerful people (most especially the President) in our government who are financially backing the hate he espouses. And it's all coming out of OUR wallets. That is something to be concerned with, in my opinion... and one of the millions of reasons I won't be voting for Bush again this time.
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