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View Poll Results: Who are you routing for to win the lawsuit?
I’m routing for Lindsey to win. 110 88.71%
I’m routing for Fleetwood Mac to win. 14 11.29%
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Old 10-21-2018, 12:22 AM
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You just prefer Stevie's style of songwriting, and that's fine. But she's not "far better". And her songs tend to be pretty dull musically, whatever "dynamic variance" there is comes from Lindsey's arrangements.

"Go Your Own Way" is just as good as the songs you listed, as well as I'm So Afraid, Never Going Back Again, Walk a Thin Line, IKINW, Trouble, Go Insane, and plenty more. I do think Stevie's songs tend to have more of an emotional resonance than his, but musically they're just as good. What he can do, she can't do, and vice versa. She can't write those type of songs at all, and all the FM songs you listed depend on Lindsey's arrangements to make them hits. And Stevie liked the "Can't Go Back" music enough to sing "Wild Heart" over it, and that song would have been better as a collaboration than either song they came up with separately.

Notice how you didn't list any of Stevie's solo songs? I guess her solo career isn't that great after all.

I just think you're selling Lindsey's songwriting abilities short. Neil Finn apparently likes his songs enough to sing them every night, and I'm sure he had a say in which songs he would sing.
I adore many of Stevie's solo songs ... "Has Anyone Ever Written ...", "Beauty and The Beast", "Mabel Normand", "Hard Advice", "Belle Fleur", etc. One thing we can agree on is that Stevie and Lindsey are musically better together than apart. You mentioned Neil and yes, I think he's one of the best songwriters of all-time but that's obviously my opinion. Unlike Lindsey and Stevie, Neil has written almost every song on the 18 albums he's released since Split Enz ended about 35 years ago. And Neil wrote most of the Split Enz songs during the last few albums and wrote most of their hits. It's kind of astounding how many great songs he's written. Lindsey, Stevie, and Christine shared the songwriting in Fleetwood Mac while Neil has been the main songwriter in his 18 post-Enz albums outside of the projects he's done with his brother Tim where they wrote the songs together. As far as Neil singing the Mac songs, I know his son Liam and his daughter-in-law are HUGE Fleetwood Mac fans and Neil has become a big fan of the band's songs. He recently said that he only knew the Mac hits until recently but that he's been very impressed with the quality of the songwriting now that he's been learning the back catalogue.
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:09 AM
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I adore many of Stevie's solo songs ... "Has Anyone Ever Written ...", "Beauty and The Beast", "Mabel Normand", "Hard Advice", "Belle Fleur", etc. One thing we can agree on is that Stevie and Lindsey are musically better together than apart. You mentioned Neil and yes, I think he's one of the best songwriters of all-time but that's obviously my opinion. Unlike Lindsey and Stevie, Neil has written almost every song on the 18 albums he's released since Split Enz ended about 35 years ago. And Neil wrote most of the Split Enz songs during the last few albums and wrote most of their hits. It's kind of astounding how many great songs he's written. Lindsey, Stevie, and Christine shared the songwriting in Fleetwood Mac while Neil has been the main songwriter in his 18 post-Enz albums outside of the projects he's done with his brother Tim where they wrote the songs together. As far as Neil singing the Mac songs, I know his son Liam and his daughter-in-law are HUGE Fleetwood Mac fans and Neil has become a big fan of the band's songs. He recently said that he only knew the Mac hits until recently but that he's been very impressed with the quality of the songwriting now that he's been learning the back catalogue.
I have nothing against Neil or Mike, they are very talented. But come on, they are not FM. It's just not right. Is having some peace and quiet worth ruining a legacy? This is probably close to their last tour. She had to go and ruin it? We are pissed for a very good reason.
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:24 AM
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One would think that a Neil Finn fan of all people would appreciate an artist who had commercial success deciding to put art above commercialism.
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:32 AM
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I have nothing against Neil or Mike, they are very talented. But come on, they are not FM. It's just not right. Is having some peace and quiet worth ruining a legacy? This is probably close to their last tour. She had to go and ruin it? We are pissed for a very good reason.
Being in and around that level of acrimony wears on people. Life’s too short.

As for the legacy, they’re revisiting a part of their heritage that has largely gone ignored for decades. The jams between Mike and Christine harken back to the Future Games/Bare Trees years. That was also part of their legacy.
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As for the legacy, they’re revisiting a part of their heritage that has largely gone ignored for decades. The jams between Mike and Christine harken back to the Future Games/Bare Trees years. That was also part of their legacy.
I agree. Right now, they seem to be more aware of their legacy than they have for decades.

I just hope that Hypnotized is not gone from the setlist, the Bob Welch years have always been so underrated, I love that Bob's work got a "seat at the table" and hope that it keeps it.
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:46 AM
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One would think that a Neil Finn fan of all people would appreciate an artist who had commercial success deciding to put art above commercialism.
Are you referring to me? I appreciate Lindsey putting art above commercialism. That concept is wonderful. I really appreciate Lindsey's attention to detail in terms of production/arrangements. It his songwriting that is the issue for me. Again, the Rumours-era Fleetwood Mac were so special because they needed each other and were far better together than apart.
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Old 10-21-2018, 08:53 AM
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Being in and around that level of acrimony wears on people. Life’s too short.

As for the legacy, they’re revisiting a part of their heritage that has largely gone ignored for decades. The jams between Mike and Christine harken back to the Future Games/Bare Trees years. That was also part of their legacy.
Great post. Having a meltdown over what song was playing as they were introduced at MusiCares appears to have been the tipping point.
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Old 10-21-2018, 09:13 AM
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One thing we can agree on is that Stevie and Lindsey are musically better together than apart.
As much as it would be nice if everyone agreed on something, I could not be in greater disagreement about that statement.

I see Stevie and Lindsey's songwriting prowess over the years as having a starkly inverse relationship: Stevie's considerable talent in writing songs waned from fantastic highs, even as Lindsey's rose from mediocre lows.

As much as Stevie may or may not need Lindsey musically in one form or other, his songwriting (production etc. aside) has been increasingly astronomical since the 90s and just seems to get better and better--all with zero input from Stevie (save the odd vocal cameo).

(Runs off to listen to Rock Away Blind for the hundredth time this week.)
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As much as it would be nice if everyone agreed on something, I could not be in greater disagreement about that statement.

I see Stevie and Lindsey's songwriting prowess over the years as having a starkly inverse relationship: Stevie's considerable talent in writing songs waned from fantastic highs, even as Lindsey's rose from mediocre lows.

As much as Stevie may or may not need Lindsey musically in one form or other, his songwriting (production etc. aside) has been increasingly astronomical since the 90s and just seems to get better and better--all with zero input from Stevie (save the odd vocal cameo).

(Runs off to listen to Rock Away Blind for the hundredth time this week.)
Perhaps you can let me know some great solo Lindsey songs from recent years. The songs I've heard are interesting with some beautifully intricate guitar work, but they aren't great songs to me.

Neil Finn recently gave a lecture at Yale on songwriting and he discussed why great guitar players often struggle as songwriters.
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Neil Finn recently gave a lecture at Yale on songwriting and he discussed why great guitar players often struggle as songwriters.
WRONG forum, Mick.
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Actually no. I was discussing the question posed by this post; the Lindsey vs. Stevie question and I mentioned how they are better together than apart. The reason that's true is because Stevie struggles with production/arrangement while Lindsey struggles with songwriting. It's a classic situation where their strengths and weaknesses meld perfectly. That's why it's so sad that it's now come to the question of this thread over which side we prefer. I prefer them together than apart and it's horribly sad that it's come to this. My point about Neil Finn's fascinating recent Yale lecture is that he discussed why great guitarists often struggle as songwriters.
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Perhaps you can let me know some great solo Lindsey songs from recent years. The songs I've heard are interesting with some beautifully intricate guitar work, but they aren't great songs to me.

Neil Finn recently gave a lecture at Yale on songwriting and he discussed why great guitar players often struggle as songwriters.
If you spent less time watching Neil Finn lecture on why people other than him are not as good at songwriting, and more time listening to Lindsey Buckingham's solo catalog (which is not that extensive), you would have heard all of the latter's solo songs by now. And if after a few listens you still don't think many or any of them are "great," that's your prerogative. The one thing I'm not inclined to do is to attempt arguing my own views on the matter here on Lindsey's Rumours forum with Neil Finn as a constant reference point (explicit or implicit).

I encourage you to start a thread over on the Lindsey solo forum if you'd like to poll people's favorite tracks from his latter years.
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Perhaps you can let me know some great solo Lindsey songs from recent years. The songs I've heard are interesting with some beautifully intricate guitar work, but they aren't great songs to me.
This. I think that hits the nail on the head when it comes to Lindsey. He had one truly solid solo album (Out of the Cradle in 1993) followed by solo efforts with fewer and fewer actually good songs on them. I listened to his most recent studio album Seeds We Sow a bunch of times and I just kept thinking how uncatchy and monotonous the songs were; I can't even remember one by name today. At the same time, his production style (sped up/whispered/sampled vocals, guitar effects, etc.), which was once quite novel, has become stale and dated. It becomes quite glaring on the LB/CM album because Christine's songs are so melodic, emotionally honest and catchy while Lindsey's songs are mostly just pleasant-but-generic power pop numbers with oblique, unimaginative lyrics. It's like John Lennon's Double Fantasy album and Christine is John while Lindsey is Yoko. None of this discounts Lindsey's incredible body of work from early in his career (up to 1993). But to say that he is some kind of visionary genius is quite a stretch in consideration of the overall mediocrity of the last 25 years of his output.
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Stevie hasn't had a solo album worth listening to since 1983.
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