Renaming Albums

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

It looks like chris is practically holding john up on the steps.

but i do love this picture.

I wish Ken Caillat would write a book about making Mirage, just like he did about Rumours and Tusk. that must have been quite a time in that chateau.

--Lis

the part that I want to know about is when Stevie arrived, having just completed her first (very successful) solo tour, accompanied by her boyfriend Jimmy Iovine... and some sort of kerfuffle ensued between Lindsey and Jimmy, which by all accounts was instigated by Lindsey and resulted in Jimmy getting on a plane and going back to the US rather than staying the 10 days he had planned to stay. That majorly impacted Stevie and Jimmy's romantic relationship by all accounts. I want to know did that essentially break them up? did he never come back to the chateau? Did he ever spend time on that tour with her? Or was it so f***ed up from that he stayed away? I would have strong sympathy for Stevie in that situation if your ex behaves so badly that it breaks up your present relationship, while he continued to drag *his* new girlfriend around with the band everywhere for years.....

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

the part that I want to know about is when Stevie arrived, having just completed her first (very successful) solo tour, accompanied by her boyfriend Jimmy Iovine... and some sort of kerfuffle ensued between Lindsey and Jimmy, which by all accounts was instigated by Lindsey and resulted in Jimmy getting on a plane and going back to the US rather than staying the 10 days he had planned to stay. That majorly impacted Stevie and Jimmy's romantic relationship by all accounts. I want to know did that essentially break them up? did he never come back to the chateau? Did he ever spend time on that tour with her? Or was it so f***ed up from that he stayed away? I would have strong sympathy for Stevie in that situation if your ex behaves so badly that it breaks up your present relationship, while he continued to drag *his* new girlfriend around with the band everywhere for years.....

Who knows...even Ken C. who likes to kiss the nicks ring has said she was completely out of control coming into the mirage sessions.

[BigAl84]

Christine on the making of Mirage (2016):

Well, I don’t think any of us remember a huge amount about it! But I don’t remember there being anything bad about it, how about that [laughs]?

It was extremely odd in the sense that it wasn’t really a studio. It really was a rather beaten-up old castle. We were living in it, and then there was another area that was made to be a studio. And there were wine cellars underneath, which I believe we used as echo chambers. So it was unusual, but it also provided a “come-together” sort of moment. Because we really had no options to do anything else. In Sausalito, at least you were close to restaurants, clubs, whatever. But at the chateau, you were just there. We had the table tennis out, we had some radio-controlled helicopters, we had food cooked for us every night on the premises. … I don’t know, it was like some weird, manic kind of resort or something. But I think we got on really well during the making of the record. The actual recording part of it, there were no particular spats I can think of. And some of the tracks are really good.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Christine on the making of Mirage (2016):

Well, I don’t think any of us remember a huge amount about it! But I don’t remember there being anything bad about it, how about that [laughs]?

It was extremely odd in the sense that it wasn’t really a studio. It really was a rather beaten-up old castle. We were living in it, and then there was another area that was made to be a studio. And there were wine cellars underneath, which I believe we used as echo chambers. So it was unusual, but it also provided a “come-together” sort of moment. Because we really had no options to do anything else. In Sausalito, at least you were close to restaurants, clubs, whatever. But at the chateau, you were just there. We had the table tennis out, we had some radio-controlled helicopters, we had food cooked for us every night on the premises. … I don’t know, it was like some weird, manic kind of resort or something. But I think we got on really well during the making of the record. The actual recording part of it, there were no particular spats I can think of. And some of the tracks are really good.

Sounds right-ish. Mick recalls "semi-tense" discussions about the direction of the sound for the record because Lindsey wanted a 50s-style Eddie Cochran thing whereas the rest of band wanted to "get back to basics." The sonics of the album suggest a a compromise that tilts a little towards what the rest of the band wanted.

[bwboy]

I remember an interview where they mentioned other names for the Rumours album, but once John mentioned the album should be called Rumours (because of all the rumors going around about them, natch) they all agreed instantly that was the name. It would be interesting if anyone could remember what the other possible names were.

Behind the Mask was originally titled Twist of Fate.

I think, after Rumours, Tusk, and Mirage, Lindsey wanted to end the one word title streak, hence Tango in the Night.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I remember an interview where they mentioned other names for the Rumours album, but once John mentioned the album should be called Rumours (because of all the rumors going around about them, natch) they all agreed instantly that was the name. It would be interesting if anyone could remember what the other possible names were.

Behind the Mask was originally titled Twist of Fate.

I think, after Rumours, Tusk, and Mirage, Lindsey wanted to end the one word title streak, hence Tango in the Night.

I thought Rumours was originally titled “Yesterday’s Gone?”

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jmn3

I thought Rumours was originally titled “Yesterday’s Gone?”

It was. Rumours is so much more intriguing.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally Posted by jmn3

I thought Rumours was originally titled “Yesterday’s Gone?”

Instead of decades of confusion as to the spelling of "Rumours", we could have been enjoying decades of confusion about pluralization and apostrophe placement of "Yesterdays".

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I remember an interview where they mentioned other names for the Rumours album, but once John mentioned the album should be called Rumours (because of all the rumors going around about them, natch) they all agreed instantly that was the name. It would be interesting if anyone could remember what the other possible names were.

Behind the Mask was originally titled Twist of Fate.

I think, after Rumours, Tusk, and Mirage, Lindsey wanted to end the one word title streak, hence Tango in the Night.

I thought they were leaning towards Yesterday's Gone before John came up with Rumours.

--Lis

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

I thought they were leaning towards Yesterday's Gone before John came up with Rumours.

--Lis

Yes, you and jmn3 are right, as soon as you guys said that, I recognized it. Yesterday’s Gone is actually a good title and very fitting, but Rumours is the perfect title.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

the part that I want to know about is when Stevie arrived, having just completed her first (very successful) solo tour, accompanied by her boyfriend Jimmy Iovine... and some sort of kerfuffle ensued between Lindsey and Jimmy, which by all accounts was instigated by Lindsey and resulted in Jimmy getting on a plane and going back to the US rather than staying the 10 days he had planned to stay. That majorly impacted Stevie and Jimmy's romantic relationship by all accounts. I want to know did that essentially break them up? did he never come back to the chateau? Did he ever spend time on that tour with her? Or was it so f***ed up from that he stayed away? I would have strong sympathy for Stevie in that situation if your ex behaves so badly that it breaks up your present relationship, while he continued to drag *his* new girlfriend around with the band everywhere for years.....

It is an interesting piece of history. Anytime an ex is with an ex who brings their new significant other is a tense time. Stevie and Lindsey never got over their relationship. Being that Jimmy was not just her boyfriend but producer who made her a solo star with a #1 album was probably too much for him to take. Also I can see Lindsey being annoyed like "why did you bring him here, we dont need a producer."

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

It is an interesting piece of history. Anytime an ex is with an ex who brings their new significant other is a tense time. Stevie and Lindsey never got over their relationship. Being that Jimmy was not just her boyfriend but producer who made her a solo star with a #1 album was probably too much for him to take. Also I can see Lindsey being annoyed like "why did you bring him here, we dont need a producer."

That's very true. I thought I had heard (from Ken, maybe?) that there were not supposed to be any peripherals around during the time at the chateau..that was part of the point of going there, to get everyone away from family, partners, distractions etc and just be around each other. which is the impression i get from chris's description...but I wonder if lindsey was upset that Jimmy-- sort of an 'outsider'--was there, when nobody else had any partners with them?

--Lis

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

That's very true. I thought I had heard (from Ken, maybe?) that there were not supposed to be any peripherals around during the time at the chateau..that was part of the point of going there, to get everyone away from family, partners, distractions etc and just be around each other. which is the impression i get from chris's description...but I wonder if lindsey was upset that Jimmy-- sort of an 'outsider'--was there, when nobody else had any partners with them?

--Lis

This is what I would think too. Bringing Jimmy is a way to annoy Lindsey and rub her successful solo album in his face. I can get why Stevie would do it and also get why it would infuriate Lindsey. But it’s par for the course with this toxic duo.

[soul_drifter333]

My take is that Lindsey suspected that Jimmy would try to produce the album or at least Stevie's tracks. There's a Tom Petty interview where he says that Jimmy was only suppose to be the engineer on Damn The Torpedoes but horded his way into being producer. There were a lot of power plays going on in and out of the group at this time.

Originally Posted by jmn3

This is what I would think too. Bringing Jimmy is a way to annoy Lindsey and rub her successful solo album in his face. I can get why Stevie would do it and also get why it would infuriate Lindsey. But it’s par for the course with this toxic duo.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

That's very true. I thought I had heard (from Ken, maybe?) that there were not supposed to be any peripherals around during the time at the chateau..that was part of the point of going there, to get everyone away from family, partners, distractions etc and just be around each other. which is the impression i get from chris's description...but I wonder if lindsey was upset that Jimmy-- sort of an 'outsider'--was there, when nobody else had any partners with them?

--Lis

We do get 2 excellent Stevie songs written during this time: Straight Back and Sable On Blonde (going to France and breaking up with Jimmy). Stevie's life was moving at record speed. Off the Tusk tour she went into the studio for Bella Donna. Once completed, she jet setted back and forth from France and went on tour with Petty flying in for shows around the country. Once his tour finished, she went into rehearsal for her short tour. Then she went back to France to finish Mirage. Came back to the states to make 2 long videos and hit the road with the Mac. Then she went into recording Wild Heart and went on a drug binge tour with Joe. No wonder she was a drug crazed rock star. Just imagine that busy and crazy schedule while everything you touch turns to gold. Bella Donna and Mirage both went to #1 and now they were also video stars.
Too bad there was not a documentary about the making of Mirage. I would enjoy it more than the Tusk one. It was the end of an era for the band and I love every tiny detail about it.