Lindsey is Suing Fleetwood Mac!

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what a " boutique lawsuit" is?? Never heard such term in the legal community.

I think you'll find that SortaSavageLike was being humorous.

[Newzchspy]

Originally Posted by WayOfTheDragon

"In times past, the band has always relied on its center, its heart and soul to work through difficulties as they arose. But now, those around the edges - attorneys, management- have stepped in and rendered that center silent and impotent." -LB.

Total BS. Lindsey.

U damn well know that management and attorneys are only doing what you of your fellow band mates tell them to. An attorney just can't voluntarily, on their own, file a lawsuit in your behalf.

[rhiannondontgo]

Originally Posted by WayOfTheDragon

"In times past, the band has always relied on its center, its heart and soul to work through difficulties as they arose. But now, those around the edges - attorneys, management- have stepped in and rendered that center silent and impotent." -LB.

I actually found it kind of interesting how they describe the band’s inner workings in the lawsuit. I would’ve thought a band as big and machine-like as FM would've operated in a much more formal and official manner. Instead, it seems like there’s not nearly as many legalities and organized guidelines as one would expect. With the exception of lots of message-sending through managers, it seems more like the band is fairly self-governed on unwritten rules they seem to have came up with decades ago and continue to follow based on good faith.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

Total BS. Lindsey.

U damn well know that management and attorneys are only doing what you of your fellow band mates tell them to. An attorney just can't voluntarily, on their own, file a lawsuit in your behalf.

Seeing as Lindsey is the one here filing a lawsuit, I think you'll find that's not the point he's trying to make.
He seems to be suggesting that the various discussions and directions taken by the band are being heavily influenced by what corporate/legal/management etc. say or think, or second guessing about what they might say. And as for the center becoming impotent in these matters, that rings true, given the members' ages.

[Newzchspy]

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

Seeing as Lindsey is the one here filing a lawsuit, I think you'll find that's not the point he's trying to make.
He seems to be suggesting that the various discussions and directions taken by the band are being heavily influenced by what corporate/legal/management etc. say or think, or second guessing about what they might say. And as for the center becoming impotent in these matters, that rings true, given the members' ages.

It appears to reflect his frustration in not being able to go directly to a " center" band member and express his discontent with the way things are going. Communication, or lack thereof, is often the Genesis of many a lawsuit. When you can't get satisfaction from a band member, then you'll find it elsewhere, a third party arbiter.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

It appears to reflect his frustration in not being able to go directly to a " center" band member and express his discontent with the way things are going. Communication, or lack thereof, is often the Genesis of many a lawsuit. When you can't get satisfaction from a band member, then you'll find it elsewhere, a third party arbiter.

Agreed about the need for psychological satisfaction from frustration--especially in this case, where the other members have egregiously refused to communicate with him at all, including any indication or prior notice of what would merit such behavior on their part.

Lindsey has always been relatively private, cautious, and meticulous; and though he let down his guard last year by making the "close your eyes and take the money" critique when pressed by that journalist (which, as David has noted, could hardly be considered a firing offense anyway, considering the rock and roll context), one assumes that he still is still the same type of person. If so, I doubt that he's filed this suit in a flurry of passion and will live to regret it; rather, the band side has apparently handled everything since MusiCares in a very hamfisted manner and from the information available to us they are currently on the back foot. No doubt their aggressive statement in response to the Complaint was merely a PR/bargaining flourish, and they will be looking to settle, albeit at the cheapest possible amount. It will be a shame for us fans that the settlement amount will be confidential, thus making it difficult for the Stevie camp or Lindsey camp to say who "won". But specific terms aside, any settlement should be considered a "victory" for the Lindsey side of this shambles.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

Who's he an employee of?? IIRC, he's probably a 1099 wage earner and independently employed.

I was responding to Bandon's joking (?) suggestion that Lindsey file for Unemployment. It depends on how he pays himself. If he pays himself with a W-2 then he could file a claim for Unemployment. If it's a 1099 then no. It depends on what offers the most tax benefits. When they file there's probably a K-1.

[Newzchspy]

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

Agreed about the need for psychological satisfaction from frustration--especially in this case, where the other members have egregiously refused to communicate with him at all, including any indication or prior notice of what would merit such behavior on their part.

Lindsey has always been relatively private, cautious, and meticulous; and though he let down his guard last year by making the "close your eyes and take the money" critique when pressed by that journalist (which, as David has noted, could hardly be considered a firing offense anyway, considering the rock and roll context), one assumes that he still is still the same type of person. If so, I doubt that he's filed this suit in a flurry of passion and will live to regret it; rather, the band side has apparently handled everything since MusiCares in a very hamfisted manner and from the information available to us they are currently on the back foot. No doubt their aggressive statement in response to the Complaint was merely a PR/bargaining flourish, and they will be looking to settle, albeit at the cheapest possible amount. It will be a shame for us fans that the settlement amount will be confidential, thus making it difficult for the Stevie camp or Lindsey camp to say who "won". But specific terms aside, any settlement should be considered a "victory" for the Lindsey side of this shambles.

Most likely it'll settle and we'll never know the amount. The cost of airing the dirty laundry and $$ spent litigating will be offset against the chance of Lindsey winning this suit. That's always the case. Lindsey could have even agreed to a contingency fee with his counsel here to offset his costs of filing and pursuing this. Regardless, after hundreds of thousand $ spent litigating the issues, it'll settle. They do 99% of the time.

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I was responding to Bandon's joking (?) suggestion that Lindsey file for Unemployment. It depends on how he pays himself. If he pays himself with a W-2 then he could file a claim for Unemployment. If it's a 1099 then no. It depends on what offers the most tax benefits. When they file there's probably a K-1.

. He's either an employee of his own corporation or LC (W2) or he's 1099 independent contractor. Extremely high income earners set up their own corps to Schedule deductions etc . Whatever he is, there's always a tax liability.

The interesting part for me is that through discovery, we can find out a lot about the bands machinations. I did figure out that FM sets up a LLc for every tour for merch etc and has even sued some merchandisers. There's $$ in merch .

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

Most likely it'll settle and we'll never know the amount. The cost of airing the dirty laundry and $$ spent litigating will be offset against the chance of Lindsey winning this suit. That's always the case. Lindsey could have even agreed to a contingency fee with his counsel here to offset his costs of filing and pursuing this. Regardless, after hundreds of thousand $ spent litigating the issues, it'll settle. They do 99% of the time.


. He's either an employee of his own corporation or LC (W2) or he's 1099 independent contractor. Extremely high income earners set up their own corps to Schedule deductions etc . Whatever he is, there's always a tax liability.

The interesting part for me is that through discovery, we can find out a lot about the bands machinations. I did figure out that FM sets up a LLc for every tour for merch etc and has even sued some merchandisers. There's $$ in merch .

Yes sir. I agree.

[Bandon]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I was responding to Bandon's joking (?) suggestion that Lindsey file for Unemployment. It depends on how he pays himself. If he pays himself with a W-2 then he could file a claim for Unemployment. If it's a 1099 then no. It depends on what offers the most tax benefits. When they file there's probably a K-1.

Omg...of course I was joking. Why would he need or want to collect unemployment? He's a multi- millionaire. Just trying to lighten the conversation.

[kak125]

Just saw this on twitter:

Unlike FM, we do not look forward to our day in court as this process is not one to relish. We do look forward to truth, fairness and closure however. Thank you for all your support.

— Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) October 16, 2018

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Bandon

Omg...of course I was joking. Why would he need or want to collect unemployment? He's a multi- millionaire. Just trying to lighten the conversation.

You can never be too sure around here anymore.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by kak125

Just saw this on twitter:

Unlike FM, we do not look forward to our day in court as this process is not one to relish. We do look forward to truth, fairness and closure however. Thank you for all your support.

— Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) October 16, 2018

I like that statement! TRUTH, FAIRNESS and CLOSURE! Hope they get everything they're seeking. Truth reaveled that Stevie overreacted and the band didn't have just cause to dismiss Lindsey. Fairness that Lindsey gets the money and goodwill he is entitled to for everything he's done to make FM what it is today. Closure that he never has to deal with FM again and can move on to his solo career and other musical collaborations full time. Less drama, no BS, and freedom. And that's NO JOKE!

[Newzchspy]

Originally Posted by Bandon

Omg...of course I was joking. Why would he need or want to collect unemployment? He's a multi- millionaire. Just trying to lighten the conversation.

Lindzers sold HIS catalog a few years back. Got a boatload of $$. That also doesnt mean its not nearly gone as well. Read this old Courtney Love missive (18 years OLD) but a timely article that I had read years ago about the music industry/business and how its like a casino. The house (aka label) always wins.

If you havent seen this before, take time to do the math in your own head and see just how much the artists get screwed when it comes time to divvy up the $$. Its a must read to give some insight into why Lindsey is doing what he's doing. I even recall Billy Corgan of the SP stating that he gets about 10 cents a song as writer , BUT a whole lot less than that as the recording artist because of the contract and the way its divvied up.

https://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

Lindzers sold HIS catalog a few years back. Got a boatload of $$.

That surprises me. I guess that explains the Anoro commercial.