"lady's man" (biography by m.c., chapter 13)

[lazy poker]

ever since reading martin celmins' biography on peter, i was wondering who that mysterious "lady" in chapter 13 is (they've been together from 1971 up to 4th september 1975 - just 2 days before their planned wedding). what's her name, and why this remarkable secretiveness?

[Ms Moose]

Originally Posted by lazy poker

ever since reading martin celmins' biography on peter, i was wondering who that mysterious "lady" in chapter 13 is (they've been together from 1971 up to 4th september 1975 - just 2 days before their planned wedding). what's her name, and why this remarkable secretiveness?

I have been wondering too, but for some reason she wanted to be anonymous in the book. It has probably been a very traumatic experience being with this very unstable man for four years, and being treated so badly. And she may not wish to have that part of her life "open to the public". I don't blame her.

Her story is the only part of the book where we get a picture of what P.G. was like to live with just before his grasp on reality seriously snapped. It would be nice to have a more thorough and nuanced description of P.G.'s post-Fleetwood Mac life and personality, than the one in Celmins book. But I quess this is hard to achieve because of P.G.'s mental state, where his reflections on himself becomes very subjective and the people who had know him were chocked at the transformations in his personality.

Ms Moose

[lazy poker]

Originally Posted by Ms Moose

I have been wondering too, but for some reason she wanted to be anonymous in the book. It has probably been a very traumatic experience being with this very unstable man for four years, and being treated so badly. And she may not wish to have that part of her life "open to the public". I don't blame her.

Her story is the only part of the book where we get a picture of what P.G. was like to live with just before his grasp on reality seriously snapped. It would be nice to have a more thorough and nuanced description of P.G.'s post-Fleetwood Mac life and personality, than the one in Celmins book. But I quess this is hard to achieve because of P.G.'s mental state, where his reflections on himself becomes very subjective and the people who had know him were chocked at the transformations in his personality.

Ms Moose

thank you for sharing your view on this subject, ms moose.
nevertheless it amazes me that the identity of the iraqi woman in question is obviously such a big secret, that nobody here could (or would?) share any enlightenment on who she is. i'm not givin' up yet . . .
martin

[dino]

She doesn't say she was treated badly as I recall though the relationship was understandably problematic. Some people have no desire to achieve notoriety or fame and have integrity, strange as it sounds in these times .

[sharksfan2000]

Originally Posted by lazy poker

thank you for sharing your view on this subject, ms moose.
nevertheless it amazes me that the identity of the iraqi woman in question is obviously such a big secret, that nobody here could (or would?) share any enlightenment on who she is. i'm not givin' up yet . . .
martin

Don't know why it amazes you that someone chooses to retain their privacy. What would be the benefit in violating that choice to keep the matter private? Would you want a stranger poking into your private matters?

[lazy poker]

Originally Posted by dino

She doesn't say she was treated badly as I recall though the relationship was understandably problematic. Some people have no desire to achieve notoriety or fame and have integrity, strange as it sounds in these times .

Originally Posted by sharksfan2000

Don't know why it amazes you that someone chooses to retain their privacy. What would be the benefit in violating that choice to keep the matter private? Would you want a stranger poking into your private matters?

hi dino, sharksfan, and who else is reading this!

obviously there's some kind of misunderstanding here. it would never occur to me to blame anybody who wants to stay out of the limelight - no matter what the reason. and please don't accuse me of "poking into (...) private matters"! i was only asking if this woman's name is known by anyone here on the board (i still can't see anything being so terribly wrong with that!), and i'm astonished that though the part she played in peter's life is no secret, her name seems to be just that. there are so many things in peter's life that are known to and talked about by the public. and we could easily start a discussion if REALLY ALL of this knowledge should be any of our (the fans') business or not. let's face it: quite a chunk of it is definitely NOT!

i was never intending to offend ANYBODY! but if the board and the powers that be see any privacy potentially violated with this thread, i will respect this. on the other hand: in that case there'd be quite some more threads here that should be questioned - for my money, that is!

i can only hope matters are cleared out hereby.

all the best to all of you
martin

[sharksfan2000]

Originally Posted by lazy poker

hi dino, sharksfan, and who else is reading this!

obviously there's some kind of misunderstanding here. it would never occur to me to blame anybody who wants to stay out of the limelight - no matter what the reason. and please don't accuse me of "poking into (...) private matters"! i was only asking if this woman's name is known by anyone here on the board (i still can't see anything being so terribly wrong with that!), and i'm astonished that though the part she played in peter's life is no secret, her name seems to be just that. there are so many things in peter's life that are known to and talked about by the public. and we could easily start a discussion if REALLY ALL of this knowledge should be any of our (the fans') business or not. let's face it: quite a chunk of it is definitely NOT!

i was never intending to offend ANYBODY! but if the board and the powers that be see any privacy potentially violated with this thread, i will respect this. on the other hand: in that case there'd be quite some more threads here that should be questioned - for my money, that is!

i can only hope matters are cleared out hereby.

all the best to all of you
martin

No worries, Martin - you certainly didn't offend me and you're not violating anyone's privacy by bringing up this discussion. I just have a disagreement and maybe it's a misunderstanding as you say. But I figured that if this woman told Martin Celmins that she did not want to be identified in his book, then she wants to retain her privacy. It makes no difference to me whether I know her name or not, but I suppose others may feel differently.