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[Buster]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Yes, how utterly disgusting it must be to have a woman in charge of the band. Fleetwood Mac needs an alpha tough guy like Lindsey to make sure Stevie stays in her place!

Finally, someone else who understands the sexism/misogyny/double standards behind many posts here.

[saniette]

Originally Posted by Buster

Finally, someone else who understands the sexism/misogyny/double standards behind many posts here.

What double standard? Like Stevie getting to delay FM tours and refuse to record with the band, but Lindsey's not allowed to?

This constant harping about sexism is ridiculous. Criticizing a woman doesn't automatically equate to sexism. A woman can be a narcissist too.

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Originally Posted by saniette

What double standard? Like Stevie getting to delay FM tours and refuse to record with the band, but Lindsey's not allowed to?

This constant harping about sexism is ridiculous. Criticizing a woman doesn't automatically equate to sexism. A woman can be a narcissist too.

Thanks for the sane post. I really don't think the anger here has anything to do with gender at all. If Lindsey had been the one who refused to perform with Stevie anymore and insisted that she be ousted from the band I can only imagine that the anger directed towards him here would be exponentially more severe.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by saniette

What double standard? Like Stevie getting to delay FM tours and refuse to record with the band, but Lindsey's not allowed to?

I don’t disagree in principle. However, it isn’t exactly the same equation. Stevie delayed a Fleetwood Mac tour so she could extend the IYD tour because she wasn’t ready to be done with it (which Mick very publicly called her out on it). I think she really believed in that album, and was disappointed that it wasn’t a huge hit, which is probably why she’s reluctant to make another album.

It’s a very different equation today. They are seven years older, Christine (the oldest member) is back, John survived a cancer scare, and a lot of their contemporaries are dying. There’s a greater sense of urgency.

[saniette]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I don’t disagree in principle. However, it isn’t exactly the same equation. Stevie delayed a Fleetwood Mac tour so she could extend the IYD tour because she wasn’t ready to be done with it (which Mick very publicly called her out on it). I think she really believed in that album, and was disappointed that it wasn’t a huge hit, which is probably why she’s reluctant to make another album.

It’s a very different equation today. They are seven years older, Christine (the oldest member) is back, John survived a cancer scare, and a lot of their contemporaries are dying. There’s a greater sense of urgency.

I hear what you're saying, but time has been a factor in this band for a while now. It's not like the tour delay with Stevie was decades ago. This was only six or seven years ago, so the band members were old enough that something could have happened. It's not like Stevie had a crystal ball, to know that everyone would still be fine to do an FM tour after she was done.

And personally, I think extending a tour is a less justifiable excuse than doing a new tour. I understand why she would want to continue, but she had already done a full tour.

I think the other point in Lindsey's favor is that FM has had a cyclical routine with the solo tours and the FM tours. Lindsey toured with Christine last year, which in my mind counts as a "band year", as that should have been an FM record. Lindsey was perfectly warranted in requesting time to do a solo tour in 2018, following Stevie's own rule. He hasn't toured solo in years, and did a couple FM tours in the interim. FM could have been touring a record last year, if urgency is the paramount concern.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally Posted by saniette

Lindsey toured with Christine last year, which in my mind counts as a "band year", as that should have been an FM record. Lindsey was perfectly warranted in requesting time to do a solo tour in 2018, following Stevie's own rule. He hasn't toured solo in years, and did a couple FM tours in the interim.

I hadn't even thought that all through before. That is such a good point!

[Frankenstein]

I also don’t think it’s as simple as blaming sexism. What if Christine were “in charge”? People would probably react to that a bit differently.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

I also don’t think it’s as simple as blaming sexism. What if Christine were “in charge”? People would probably react to that a bit differently.

Would they? If they felt she ousted Lindsey they'd be calling her every name in the book. Some have already started.

[AncientQueen]

Originally Posted by saniette

What double standard? Like Stevie getting to delay FM tours and refuse to record with the band, but Lindsey's not allowed to?
This constant harping about sexism is ridiculous. Criticizing a woman doesn't automatically equate to sexism. A woman can be a narcissist too.

And you don't get the underlying "how dare she, she is just a woman" all around here? Interesting, to me, that is blatant and pretty infuriating. I'm not saying that Stevie did right, no, she did not, but still, the level of added misygynist BS in here is quite astonishing.

[saniette]

Originally Posted by AncientQueen

And you don't get the underlying "how dare she, she is just a woman" all around here? Interesting, to me, that is blatant and pretty infuriating. I'm not saying that Stevie did right, no, she did not, but still, the level of added misygynist BS in here is quite astonishing.

No, I think the level of misogyny on this board is being exaggerated, and there's a big difference between sexism and misogyny anyway. Most people on this board are or were Stevie fans, so I don't really see sexism being the driver here. If we have a problem with Stevie taking charge of the band, it's because she ousted someone in order to do so. So fans have the right to object to a power play that broke up the band, without being labeled as misogynist. If Lindsey did this, I don't think people would give him a pass because he's a man.

[Storms123]

Originally Posted by saniette

No, I think the level of misogyny on this board is being exaggerated, and there's a big difference between sexism and misogyny anyway. Most people on this board are or were Stevie fans, so I don't really see sexism being the driver here. If we have a problem with Stevie taking charge of the band, it's because she ousted someone in order to do so. So fans have the right to object to a power play that broke up the band, without being labeled as misogynist. If Lindsey did this, I don't think people would give him a pass because he's a man.

Very well said.

[annabellee]

Originally Posted by saniette

No, I think the level of misogyny on this board is being exaggerated, and there's a big difference between sexism and misogyny anyway. Most people on this board are or were Stevie fans, so I don't really see sexism being the driver here. If we have a problem with Stevie taking charge of the band, it's because she ousted someone in order to do so. So fans have the right to object to a power play that broke up the band, without being labeled as misogynist. If Lindsey did this, I don't think people would give him a pass because he's a man.

Can you imagine having your career being dependent on someone so controlling? Sometimes things can't be fixed. Someone had to go. That's why they are where they are at today. If blame must be cast, it is cast across five. Now, I think I'm going to listen to some music. Maybe Jake Spears?

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by annabellee

Now, I think I'm going to listen to some music. Maybe Jake Spears?

Did you mean Jake Shears? I heard he had a new album out- is it worth checking out?

[annabellee]

I did mean that AND IT IS WORTH IT!