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Old 06-09-2018, 03:26 AM
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Default Recommend best pre Stevie album for newbie?

Iím a highly aware obsessive of everything 1975 onwards... but I want to begin with the pre era... whatís the best album to start with?
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Old 06-09-2018, 10:22 AM
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Hi Golddustboy71.

I don't want to sound facetious but I would start at the very beginning, with
Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac and do it chronologically. I think they're all pretty much on Spotify.

OK,you might not care for the blues that much but, you'll get a great feel that way for the artistic development of the band; the personnel changes that make it feel like a musical version of La Ronde. Look out for the little almost genetic tweaks that move the changes on, for example Christine's presence on Kiln House and her growing confidence as albums passed by. The quantum shift from Mr Wonderful to Then Play On The lost gems that appear on just about every album make you think this was Fleetwood Mac? The occasional lapses in taste that will make you wonder what you're doing. The gaping hole left by Peter Green. The harmonising of Bob Welch and Christine, the brilliant guitar work of Bob Weston. Listen to She's Changing Me from Heroes and then Say you love me and you'll see how the Mac's 1975 sound was a natural progression. Mash up Black Magic Woman, Rhiannon, Green Manalishi and Sisters of the Moon in your head. Danny Kirwan, Danny Kirwan, Danny Kirwan.

Don't forget the Greatest Hits album of 1972 as you don't want to miss the non-album singles.

Stevie, when she joined the band, went out and listened to all the albums. If she did, so should everyone else.
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:23 AM
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I agree with Mr. S. ~ as Stevie said after she went out and bought the entire FM catalog upon her and Lindsey joining the band.....there's a thread that runs through all of them!
That said, if the wallet only allows for one right now....."Mystery To Me!" DEFINITELY "Mystery To Me!"
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The most accessible will be Mystery to Me, Bare Trees and Heroes Are Hard to Find. Going straight to the beginning can be difficult. It might be easier to work backwards somewhat.
Pre-Stevie??? ...and the other chap???
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Bare Trees and Mystery To Me are masterpieces. My favorite Mac albums after Rumours and Tusk.
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:39 PM
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Hi Golddustboy71.

I don't want to sound facetious but I would start at the very beginning, with
Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac and do it chronologically. I think they're all pretty much on Spotify.

OK,you might not care for the blues that much but, you'll get a great feel that way for the artistic development of the band; the personnel changes that make it feel like a musical version of La Ronde. Look out for the little almost genetic tweaks that move the changes on, for example Christine's presence on Kiln House and her growing confidence as albums passed by. The quantum shift from Mr Wonderful to Then Play On The lost gems that appear on just about every album make you think this was Fleetwood Mac? The occasional lapses in taste that will make you wonder what you're doing. The gaping hole left by Peter Green. The harmonising of Bob Welch and Christine, the brilliant guitar work of Bob Weston. Listen to She's Changing Me from Heroes and then Say you love me and you'll see how the Mac's 1975 sound was a natural progression. Mash up Black Magic Woman, Rhiannon, Green Manalishi and Sisters of the Moon in your head. Danny Kirwan, Danny Kirwan, Danny Kirwan.

Don't forget the Greatest Hits album of 1972 as you don't want to miss the non-album singles.

Stevie, when she joined the band, went out and listened to all the albums. If she did, so should everyone else.
Thank you Mr Scarrott... your reply is perfect and most appreciated... you are completely right of course... start from the very beginning.. itís a very good place to start! At 14 in 1987 I discovered Tango, then Rumours, then Mirage and so on in in a unchronological way. Iím aware and respectful of the pre era but only in a handful of songs...predictably OhWell, Man of the World, Black Magic Woman and Albatross... but thatís where it ends.... so let it begin... downloading Fleetwood Mac 1968... maybe Iíll feedback my thoughts... as a born and bread londoner😊
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I agree with Sugar Mouse... the most relatable albums will be from the Bob Welch years... 1971-74. Mystery To Me is an especially lovely album... every song is worth its weight in gold. Christine and Bob really shine on Heroes Are Hard To Find and Penguin, too. All 3 of the above albums really have that signature mystical pop-rock sound the Rumours crew was known for. Due to those albums, I fell in love with the music of Bob Welch, too. He was truly the underdog of FM!
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I had all the Stevie/Lindsey era albums before buying my first Pre-Nicks album in 1984 which was Heroes are Hard to Find. Christine has some incredible tunes on the album. Mystery To Me is a slightly better album. I think you can start going backwards from the Nicks era which would be the 1974 Heroes album.
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Bare Trees.

It’s a lot like the 1975 album.

Think of Bob as Stevie. Thematically, they were very similar with a paranormal song and a sentimental song. He had The Ghost and Sentimental Lady, while she had Rhiannon an Landslide.

Danny and Lindsey are the driving force on their respective albums, and Christine is Christine.
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Iím a highly aware obsessive of everything 1975 onwards... but I want to begin with the pre era... whatís the best album to start with?
I'd start with Bare Trees.
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Start with the first album, which is called 'Fleetwood Mac' but commonly referred to as 'Dog and Dustbin' (because of the cover) and work your way forward through time. It's the best way to make sense of the personnel and stylistic changes. If you don't "like" blues or have never really listened to that style of music, be patient and spend some time listening. I think you'll enjoy at least some of the music from that era.
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Can I be the lone voice for the Penguin album? It contains what must be one of my favourite (if not my favourite) FM track of all time - The Derelict.

I list Walker as my second favourite male vocalist of all time after Bob Dylan, but then again, maybe that's just me.
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Can I be the lone voice for the Penguin album? It contains what must be one of my favourite (if not my favourite) FM track of all time - The Derelict.
You're not the lone voice. I love that album and The Derelict. (See my old posts from the archives. I even posted the song chords at one time.)

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I’m a highly aware obsessive of everything 1975 onwards... but I want to begin with the pre era... what’s the best album to start with?
It depends on what you're hoping for. If you want smooth, mid-tempo pop expertise, MYSTERY TO ME and HEROES are pretty sophisticated. MYSTERY is usually bright, catchy, and clever. It's only downfall (I think) is the way it was recorded--too close to the speakers with little dynamic shifts. That's probably the result of using the RS Mobile Unit. HEROES is moodier, darker, and honestly more difficult to listen to, in part because Welch was clearly transitioning from folkie mystic to jazz-medal sophisticate. But the actual sound of the recording far surpasses MYSTERY--and Christine's contributions to both albums are excellent.

PENGUIN is spotty and usually dismissed as a transitional record, but what works on it actually has genuine warmth and vitality. All of Christine's songs are really well done, and Welch's hippie mysticism manifests itself as folk (Bright Fire), jazz (Nightwatch) and pressure-cooker jam rock (Revelation). I think both the David Walker songs are well performed but out of place on the record.

BARE TREES and FUTURE GAMES are probably the most consistent and quality recordings from the era, thanks in large part to Kirwan. Christine was still growing (as a vocalist and songwriter) though Welch started with a lot of strength. FUTURE GAMES plays out like one gorgeous sigh across both sides, a gorgeous mix of acoustic and electric instrumentation with a lot of dynamic elements. Kirwan's three songs are lovely; Christine's "Show Me a Smile" is simple and VERY effective; and both of Welch's contributions (the epic, moody, Pink Floyd-esque title song and a hard-rock blues tune) are fantastic. BARE TREES is as fine as FUTURE GAMES though this time the soft, dynamic sound has been replaced with a harder-edged blues rock. All of Kirwan's tunes alternately charge and sting; Christine's "Spare Me" shows her moving towards a more confident pop; and Welch's "Sentimental Lady" is a charming love song. But it's Kirwan's album, really--unlike FUTURE GAME which feels more like a group effort.

As someone already mentioned, of the pre 1971-74 albums, THEN PLAY ON is a universal classic. My personal favorite is KILN HOUSE, which mixes the acid-rock blues of the former with California Sun Sound of the late 50s. It's not for everyone--but I simply love it.

Beyond this, a Blue Horizon package would suffice for the 1967-68 material.

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It depends on what you're hoping for. If you want smooth, mid-tempo pop expertise, MYSTERY TO ME and HEROES are pretty sophisticated. MYSTERY is usually bright, catchy, and clever. It's only downfall (I think) is the way it was recorded--too close to the speakers with little dynamic shifts. That's probably the result of using the RS Mobile Unit. HEROES is moodier, darker, and honestly more difficult to listen to, in part because Welch was clearly transitioning from folkie mystic to jazz-medal sophisticate. But the actual sound of the recording far surpasses MYSTERY--and Christine's contributions to both albums are excellent.

PENGUIN is spotty and usually dismissed as a transitional record, but what works on it actually has genuine warmth and vitality. All of Christine's songs are really well done, and Welch's hippie mysticism manifests itself as folk (Bright Fire), jazz (Nightwatch) and pressure-cooker jam rock (Revelation). I think both the David Walker songs are well performed but out of place on the record.

BARE TREES and FUTURE GAMES are probably the most consistent and quality recordings from the era, thanks in large part to Kirwan. Christine was still growing (as a vocalist and songwriter) though Welch started with a lot of strength. FUTURE GAMES plays out like one gorgeous sigh across both sides, a gorgeous mix of acoustic and electric instrumentation with a lot of dynamic elements. Kirwan's three songs are lovely; Christine's "Show Me a Smile" is simple and VERY effective; and both of Welch's contributions (the epic, moody, Pink Floyd-esque title song and a hard-rock blues tune) are fantastic. BARE TREES is as fine as FUTURE GAMES though this time the soft, dynamic sound has been replaced with a harder-edged blues rock. All of Kirwan's tunes alternately charge and sting; Christine's "Spare Me" shows her moving towards a more confident pop; and Welch's "Sentimental Lady" is a charming love song. But it's Kirwan's album, really--unlike FUTURE GAME which feels more like a group effort.

As someone already mentioned, of the pre 1971-74 albums, THEN PLAY ON is a universal classic. My personal favorite is KILN HOUSE, which mixes the acid-rock blues of the former with California Sun Sound of the late 50s. It's not for everyone--but I simply love it.

Beyond this, a Blue Horizon package would suffice for the 1967-68 material.
To me this is a pretty much perfect summation...though I'd be one of the people for whom Kiln House isn't for (save for a few songs).
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